The "shadow bolt" was a reference to the post before mines. It was to point out for the sake of argument that something like a magic spells are better explained then the current mechanics crossbows.
Repeating crossbows still needs to reload once in a while. With that said; something like the reloading animation is something that's been taking for granted. For example; the inventory system shows an unrealistic display for the sake of gameplay. We have to suspend the belief that we can hold 3 full plate 3 great axe in our backpack. Amazon bows/crossbows implied that she reload when used. Quivers and bolts containers are there to implied that.
Also have you look at the demon hunter opening video? You will notice that she took the teeth from a slain demon and physical put in the crossbows. OK!!!
I think it makes a hell lot more sense if shes shooting shadow bolts or something that can be easily created using mana/energy/"magic".
This is why we are upset. They gone too far with nothing to back them up. Please don't try and blame "its a fairytale game" arguemnt; it makes your comment so baseless and ignorant.
Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
.. You do understand you're arguing logic, about magic.. Right?
I respect opinions, but you're arguing logic, about magic in a fairytale universe, in a game. :wacko:
What are you two talking about? I argue that when you guys say thing like using magic to reload; your're not using logic at all. I'm talking blizzard and some souls out there aren't using logic at all.
Crossbows are mechanic device. You can't change the way they function, unless you change the design. Crossbows uses a string of something and projectile like bolt are fed into the xbows. This maybe a fantasy game, but lets not making things without a sense of how things work.
Even magic have their limitations. I'm sure you can manipulate some form of energy into that bolts crafted from the bones of demons to produce dire effects. The absolute basic of xbows is pretty much can sum into two functions.
1. To hold the projectile
2. to fire the projectile. (and yes, amazon magic shot is considered; using mana/magic to form a physical-energy projectile)
This is pure logic here. Magic effects after whatever the projectile the xbows fires. Read the amazon lore.
All this talk about how duel crossbows are terrible, and impossible to use, you should comparing the other crazy things that other classes/skills of the DH do in contrast to using 2 crossbows. If you're going to boo about something not fitting the lore, or "realism" of the game than at least compare it with other extreme surrounding examples..
Crossbows feeling to much like guns? I can see that, mostly through her animations when she shots. I don't mind it honestly, I just see how someone could make the comparison.
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Really, I don't know why people are so hung up on DH dual-wielding crossbows. For one, its a game there are plenty of things unrealistic that make less sense than auto-reloading crossbows. If they have the knowledge and ability to use traps, why would DH's having the ability to have auto-reloading crossbows be so unrealistic. Also they dabble in shadow magic which could be another reason why its possible.
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Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
The thing about one hand axes and swords is because of balance and strength. Barbs are strong and big. all he does with those weapon is smashing and hacking someone. same thing with crossbows. I'm SURE he can hold one on each hand.... To whack someone with it. Thats not firing and reloading. Unless you move at the speed of sound; you can technical "drop" the xbows, feed the bolts in, and catch it back in your hand every time you need to reload.
Weapons like xbows, even a small scale toy would require you to reload and aim. Anyone who keep saying "use magic to reload" STOP. Read my earlier post. I would suggest they remove dual xbows and maybe replace the OFF-HAND with a throwing knife or dagger. Thats the same hand you use to reload.
Right on Ophion. It seem only a few that understands the logic of magic.
As for Eskanasi, we aren't saying no xbows/bows. But DUAL wield is a different story. Please grasp the concept of how things work; magic or without. It mention this before but the DH takes things from demons to craft her weapon. Also thier magic as well. It known that she can't create some magically ammo out of NOWHERE. Amazon magic shot is created from energy/mana/"magic". But only that; others requires her to imbue existing ammo to achieve a different effect like freezing arrow. Lets not continue to jump by saying "DH uses magic to summon a tomahawk missle from her xbows".
when you guys say using shadow/demonic magic on the ammo; it doesn't effect how you reload and fire. Only effect what happens after its been fired. For example, like todays guns... instead of using normal bullet; use incendiary rounds. Once fired, will form explosions on impact. Same thing with this. Please understand that magic follows a similar logic. Magic might turn your ammo into lightning but it doesn't change how well you can conjure/aim/fire. Unless its targeted at the user itself but this is not the case, just the ammo.
Wizards make fireballs out of thin air, stop and slow time, shoot beam of destruction from their hands and go through material world with teleport.
Yet you wonder how demon hunter, master of SHADOW MAGIC can reload her weapons?
Well imagine:
out of air shadow becomes more solid and creates black bolts which DH shoots. isnt hard to imagine right?
She can fire molten arror that pierces stuff and leaves fire in its wake, yet you wonder how she reloads.
MAGIC, belts created by shadow magic
Thats the easiest way to explain it in some reasonable way.
The thing is not about magic. Its the device. xbows uses bolts to fire; whatever that the bolts of made of is another story. Amazon have something like magic shot, arrows created by magic. DH don't posses the skill to do so (assume). Even if she can, its shown that she takes things from demons (like bones) to craft her weapons. Multishot is using magic to split an existing arrow into 2 or more. You can't just create out of nothing.
And for the wizard/sorc.; They don't really create out of "nothing" but control the environment and energies around them, like for example air!!!!! Shadow magic are magic stolen from demons.
Please not use "magic" to bullshit anything you want to add to the game. That's what blizzard did when creating this dual xbows. Also based on your logic; why not use "magic" to create thousands bolts hitting the enemy without the xbows. Or better yet, why not use magic to create guns, cars, airplanes, and nukes out of NOTHING!. Some things aren't possible with magic, useless your god. There are logic behind magic; and they are the manipulation of things around them.
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Also have you look at the demon hunter opening video? You will notice that she took the teeth from a slain demon and physical put in the crossbows. OK!!!
I think it makes a hell lot more sense if shes shooting shadow bolts or something that can be easily created using mana/energy/"magic".
This is why we are upset. They gone too far with nothing to back them up. Please don't try and blame "its a fairytale game" arguemnt; it makes your comment so baseless and ignorant.
What are you two talking about? I argue that when you guys say thing like using magic to reload; your're not using logic at all. I'm talking blizzard and some souls out there aren't using logic at all.
Crossbows are mechanic device. You can't change the way they function, unless you change the design. Crossbows uses a string of something and projectile like bolt are fed into the xbows. This maybe a fantasy game, but lets not making things without a sense of how things work.
Even magic have their limitations. I'm sure you can manipulate some form of energy into that bolts crafted from the bones of demons to produce dire effects. The absolute basic of xbows is pretty much can sum into two functions.
1. To hold the projectile
2. to fire the projectile. (and yes, amazon magic shot is considered; using mana/magic to form a physical-energy projectile)
This is pure logic here. Magic effects after whatever the projectile the xbows fires. Read the amazon lore.
QFT...
Another soul keep using "magic" to trying to explain how a non-magical, physical device, mechanical device how it should work. Why even need xbows when you can create projectile towards you enemy using "magic" instead huh?. read my earlier post and understand "magic".
As for Eskanasi, we aren't saying no xbows/bows. But DUAL wield is a different story. Please grasp the concept of how things work; magic or without. It mention this before but the DH takes things from demons to craft her weapon. Also thier magic as well. It known that she can't create some magically ammo out of NOWHERE. Amazon magic shot is created from energy/mana/"magic". But only that; others requires her to imbue existing ammo to achieve a different effect like freezing arrow. Lets not continue to jump by saying "DH uses magic to summon a tomahawk missle from her xbows".
The thing is not about magic. Its the device. xbows uses bolts to fire; whatever that the bolts of made of is another story. Amazon have something like magic shot, arrows created by magic. DH don't posses the skill to do so (assume). Even if she can, its shown that she takes things from demons (like bones) to craft her weapons. Multishot is using magic to split an existing arrow into 2 or more. You can't just create out of nothing.
And for the wizard/sorc.; They don't really create out of "nothing" but control the environment and energies around them, like for example air!!!!! Shadow magic are magic stolen from demons.
Please not use "magic" to bullshit anything you want to add to the game. That's what blizzard did when creating this dual xbows. Also based on your logic; why not use "magic" to create thousands bolts hitting the enemy without the xbows. Or better yet, why not use magic to create guns, cars, airplanes, and nukes out of NOTHING!. Some things aren't possible with magic, useless your god. There are logic behind magic; and they are the manipulation of things around them.