If I use storm armor I'm using ray of frost because of damage, if ice armor then the link above, it would be even easier to get them in lines while frost nova explodes from the beam.
Well if you had read any of these posts you would know I would be using diamond skin first then casting it (in a slow time bubble if necessary), and most meteor users have meteor and familiar for the damage and all damage stuff so I'll still be better off, and using Frost Nova to slow with slow time will make me still.... better off.
Yet people keep talking about Meteor like it is the best, in that one second of damage it is high, but compared to RoF but I'm still keeping Disintegrate with RoF....
Just quit while your behind on the spells thing. RoF still does more damage over the same time period, and Disintegrate still beats it over the same time period, they both use more ap, but they use it over time... I'm tired of having to go to this thread now that I have been proven right by Blizzard's changes. Now the spells scale with the weapon held by the wizard and Arcane Orb is no longer stupid, Energy Twister well, isn't as bad. I will still be doing this build to maximize damage, RoF, Disintegrate, Frost Nova (instead of AT, till further notice) Slow time 140% damage, and energy armor with gold, and diamond skin with astral p, and ward, and whatever else I deem fit for the third slot. However now, I won't have to look at someone using arcane orb as if they are stupid, because it's damage is so good now, especially indigo (in keeping with the spell), if anyone wants real damage, they'll just use Disintegrate with obliteration or something.
They changed how they scaled so they would be more competitive, I was right and it just so happened Blizzard felt the same way. You were wrong (that is plural).
I didn't carelessly disregard Virtuoso I put it in a recycle bin
Ice Armor only works for melee attacks with gold rune and yes it does 50% increase in armor but if your not a melee wizard do you really need it? Just do diamond skin and get that over with! Also Slow time with miasma clings to them and you don't have to get hit ! It is easy to say oh lets go take damage in normal, for what is in Hell and Inferno you might not want to get too close. Ice armor chills for 2 seconds, slow time slows for 14 seconds it is more reliable than an armor class increase because I don't have to get hit.... It stays in the Trash bin.
Temporal flux is good but Slow time with miasma and evocation is round the clock slow (the cooldown is = to time that it takes you to recast.) Also, Slow Time is a higher slow... it is.
I don't care if your comparing an active to a passive... if there is something better I'm going to use it, no wizard will count on using unstable anomaly to stay alive, if your health is below 20% it means your dieing, you don't plan for that to happen !
Diamond skin is more defense than mirror image, I don't have to rely on the enemy whether monster or person being tricked, just D up and do something. I still wouldn't rush to get indigo rune for mirror images, for PvP, eventually people will know that 6 images mean they do no damage... I like simulacrum and Extension because they produce the same amount as Mirror Mimic, so if your doing PvP the person won't know which one your doing until they sit there and say, "hey it is longer than 15 seconds, or these don't do damage", as long as there are people doing mirror mimic, nobody will ever know which one I've got at least the first cast.... On monsters in high level difficulty these two will stay alive longer. I refuse to look at something that has 25% my hp as a reliable damage increase, sorry.
Nobody is going to use Energy twister any longer than they have to, the damage is lower than disintegrate, doesn't look like it can be controlled very well without a rune but still it is low damage, and the mana cost is higher than disintegrate, higher than Ray of Frost, higher than Arcane torrent, higher than Wave of Force, higher than Archon, why are we talking about this.... and all the above on arcane power use vs damage and ability to control apply for arcane orb as well, it is better controlled, but slower than everything that I just mentioned, AO does damage, but costs more arcane power than all the spells I just mentioned. They are still in my TRASH Bin. Sorry.
Illusionist could be interesting, but diamond skin would be better. Just drop it, how did you end up behind that line of monsters in the first place ? it is massively situational... Diamond Skin, Diamond Skin, Diamond Skin... walk more and go with friends !
Blah blah blah blah if people retrain I doubt they will keep illusionist...
Every spell or passive I mentioned has another spell that is faster, slows better, slows longer, does more over the same time period without lowering energy armor, is better and more broad defense (Diamond Skin with Indigo Vs Ice Armor(does not work on ranged) and Mirror Images (shorter duration, not direct protection).
MI is 15 seconds long but Indigo gives 21 seconds of Diamond Skin which is why the only ones I would keep are Simulacrum and Extension of will which both last longer than Diamond Skin, but DS helps you directly.
I said Slow Time was better than temporal flux, though it was at the top of the list
I'm just glad nobody is trying to add up the sum of ap used by Disintegrate and compare it to another spell again... Some of you talk about glass cannon like it has no down side. Arcane Torrent with crimson rune or Frost nova with crimson would do way more damage, sure I'd like to stack them all together but there are only 3 slots for passives.
I could think of using Temporal Flux with magic missile, but, what about Ray of Frost with Obsidian rune, it slows for 8.5 seconds (I don't know how much in PVP) with 50% slow. Sure it hits only one target at a time but against a person it could be a good way to setup for even ...... Meteor, (though I wouldn't use it )
Hahahah I knew someone was going to ask that eventually ! I left it for mass damage, my actual build won't have it but all our damage calculations include it, so I left it in, for now......
Liverymen and my calculations both have it. and the calculations I did in previous post on other page have it too but that was because name of post was Glass Cannon so obviously for the person's sake I included it.
I think frost nova can be good, and that crimson does have almost as much increase as Arcane torrent but it lasts only 4 seconds compared to 6. I'm sure someone will use it... I like Wave of Force because it seems more reliable with stun. Frost Nova is good it just doesn't bring as long or much as AT. One Wave of Force impactful wave and you could go through the whole cycle of Arcane Torrent, then disintegrate (2 pulses at least).
Frost nova could be awesome though because you don't have to target it... if your in Arena watching people run around, people would probably prefer this to AT.
Hey if you think you have better math on it or a different take on it I want to see it. I was either thinking of Arena, or really hard monsters... Especially if there is some variable I'm not taking into account or don't know of. Especially if it involves meteor because I think the only way someone is going to do better damage than disintegrate and AT is in a slow time bubble with Stretch time, in Arena I think someone will run the hell away but a monster won't....
Ya DK freezing them and then hitting them with meteor would be good. Also Impactful wave then Meteor so they are standing perfectly still for it.... could be better and annoying as hell !
Frost nova with Evocation so person casts it over and over will probably be something seen a lot in Arena that and impactful wave, Frost would be good if you have melee people in your group so they know exactly where the person is, then walk up and beat them while frozen, using some kind of snare.
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I'm either using Storm Armor with gold rune, or this: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#UbVSZO!efd!aaYZZb
If I use storm armor I'm using ray of frost because of damage, if ice armor then the link above, it would be even easier to get them in lines while frost nova explodes from the beam.
Ice Armor only works for melee attacks with gold rune and yes it does 50% increase in armor but if your not a melee wizard do you really need it? Just do diamond skin and get that over with! Also Slow time with miasma clings to them and you don't have to get hit ! It is easy to say oh lets go take damage in normal, for what is in Hell and Inferno you might not want to get too close. Ice armor chills for 2 seconds, slow time slows for 14 seconds it is more reliable than an armor class increase because I don't have to get hit.... It stays in the Trash bin.
Temporal flux is good but Slow time with miasma and evocation is round the clock slow (the cooldown is = to time that it takes you to recast.) Also, Slow Time is a higher slow... it is.
I don't care if your comparing an active to a passive... if there is something better I'm going to use it, no wizard will count on using unstable anomaly to stay alive, if your health is below 20% it means your dieing, you don't plan for that to happen !
Diamond skin is more defense than mirror image, I don't have to rely on the enemy whether monster or person being tricked, just D up and do something. I still wouldn't rush to get indigo rune for mirror images, for PvP, eventually people will know that 6 images mean they do no damage... I like simulacrum and Extension because they produce the same amount as Mirror Mimic, so if your doing PvP the person won't know which one your doing until they sit there and say, "hey it is longer than 15 seconds, or these don't do damage", as long as there are people doing mirror mimic, nobody will ever know which one I've got at least the first cast.... On monsters in high level difficulty these two will stay alive longer. I refuse to look at something that has 25% my hp as a reliable damage increase, sorry.
Nobody is going to use Energy twister any longer than they have to, the damage is lower than disintegrate, doesn't look like it can be controlled very well without a rune but still it is low damage, and the mana cost is higher than disintegrate, higher than Ray of Frost, higher than Arcane torrent, higher than Wave of Force, higher than Archon, why are we talking about this.... and all the above on arcane power use vs damage and ability to control apply for arcane orb as well, it is better controlled, but slower than everything that I just mentioned, AO does damage, but costs more arcane power than all the spells I just mentioned. They are still in my TRASH Bin. Sorry.
Illusionist could be interesting, but diamond skin would be better. Just drop it, how did you end up behind that line of monsters in the first place ? it is massively situational... Diamond Skin, Diamond Skin, Diamond Skin... walk more and go with friends !
Blah blah blah blah if people retrain I doubt they will keep illusionist...
MI is 15 seconds long but Indigo gives 21 seconds of Diamond Skin which is why the only ones I would keep are Simulacrum and Extension of will which both last longer than Diamond Skin, but DS helps you directly.
I'm just glad nobody is trying to add up the sum of ap used by Disintegrate and compare it to another spell again... Some of you talk about glass cannon like it has no down side. Arcane Torrent with crimson rune or Frost nova with crimson would do way more damage, sure I'd like to stack them all together but there are only 3 slots for passives.
I could think of using Temporal Flux with magic missile, but, what about Ray of Frost with Obsidian rune, it slows for 8.5 seconds (I don't know how much in PVP) with 50% slow. Sure it hits only one target at a time but against a person it could be a good way to setup for even ...... Meteor, (though I wouldn't use it )
Liverymen and my calculations both have it. and the calculations I did in previous post on other page have it too but that was because name of post was Glass Cannon so obviously for the person's sake I included it.
Frost nova could be awesome though because you don't have to target it... if your in Arena watching people run around, people would probably prefer this to AT.
Frost nova with Evocation so person casts it over and over will probably be something seen a lot in Arena that and impactful wave, Frost would be good if you have melee people in your group so they know exactly where the person is, then walk up and beat them while frozen, using some kind of snare.