i can't wait for WOTLK but i'm just saying this about the Burning Crusade but didn't Arthas kill Illidan at the end of Warcraft 3, so how did he servive the encounter and become the ruler of Outland??
no he did not die, he merely wouned him. Illidan retreated to Outland, and that's where is is currently getting owned over and over again.
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Even if you quit WoW (and think that you managed to do it for good) when the time comes that the Demon Hunters are introduced, i very much doubt that you wont retry it
Maybe
Heck, sometimes I get the urge to play WoW. If it's anything that game manages to do, it's hooking players.
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Theres still much to reveal about Wrath of the Lich King and we'll be sure to check it out together
As much as I'd like to, it won't happen. I quit WoW some months ago
I really want to play it though at times. I'll probably be unethical and mess around with the expansion on my own computer, but that's about it.
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what Blizzard revealed about the Death Knight quest chain so far (which is almost nothing) is that its going to be soloable from level 80 characters only and that the player will release a Death Knight from the Will of the Lich King thus making him availiable to his faction (meaning himself of course).
They also said that the Death Knight will start having some gear on him and at around level 55 which means around 14-15 days of solid gaming (literally not doing anything else than playing during that time) to get him to 80.
I don't remember that being said, I remember it as being something you could start at 70 and then start to unlock as you were levelling. Granted, I'm not too updated, and I might have remmbered it all wrong
Also, are you just quickly peeking in to see what's happening FingolfinGR?
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As I remember they said it would be similar to the warlock epic mount quest in difficulty and length. I never played a warlock so I don't know what it is like
I did. I guess that means we have to finish a few instances such as Arcatraz, Shattered Halls and whatnot, gather a whole shitload of primals or some such, and do a lot of errand quests. But yeah, several instances and reagent-gathering. The cost should probaly end up around a few 1,000 gold.
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Deathknight will be a new class, not a race. What else it starts at high level. It's like you would get a free character.
Quite charming to get a new character without having to invest months of playing, isn't it? It is definitely not something like rolling a class in a new race.
Yup. And definately a welcome addition. You still won't get it for free, there's a quest line to finish for it. I don't know how hard it will be, I don't think Blizzard has released any info on it.
I wouldn't expect it to be too hard, but enough time consuming that a lot of people will skip it in the beginning in favor of levelling up their man char and experience the new instances and regions first-hand.
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I absolutetely agree that in the begining their numbers will be extremely high and then decrease over time, but I doubt it would decrease to a normal level at the end.
I think it will, reason being that I don't think te majority of people will like his skill system. It looks amazing, and I'd really like to try it, but I wonder if it will work out.
Honestly though, if Blizzard finds out too many people are DK's, they can just nerf them. That always took care of over-population before
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I also think that deathknights will be more pvp oriented. Ther's not much new they can contribute to a raid. There are enough damage dealer classes already, and I guess (and hope) they won't be better tanks than warriors. Maybe they will have some limited party buff, probably some aura they had in WC3 but nothing indispensable.
Perhaps. I think it really will depend on the bosses that appear in Northrend and what tactics you need to use against them.
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I would not want a lot of Death Knight on the servers though. It would get old quickly, and if they would be on the same side, then it would be evenly matched if everyone would pick a Death Knight. It would no be good for everyone to have a death knight. It is not about competition. Most of the people just play it for fun.
Well, as you said, it would get old quickly. There's no reason to assume everyone who rerolls will stay a deathknight. Just as people rerolled Draenei and Blood Elf the first few weeks to try it out, most went back to their old characters. There is not a dispropotionate amount of Draenei running around at lvl 70. And neither will there be deathknights. Just you wait and see, you will see I am correct
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I don't think that people would want to join a guild because of being all the same race. People would want to benefit that they would be getting a Death Knight or two. Unless they are people who are bitches on there, and they just make a guild of just Death Knight, but I would think that people will now best on making the right decision on improving the game.
You're not getting my point. My point is that limiting the number of deathknights on a server will severely lessen the numberof good deathknights available to raiding guilds. But they wil lstill be needed for the new isntances. Therefore, guilds will be forced to accept applications from poor players, simply because those players played like hell for a few weeks to get a deathknight. That is an unfair and useless system.
It is much better if everyone can roll a deathknight. That increases competition, and allows for guilds to have their members roll a deathknight if it is needed. It is a much more versatile and user-friendly system that promoted teamwork.
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You just love to debate PhrozenDragon.;D It would not demand an increase, because if they made a set amount on each server then people would not demand it. They would be mad I do not doubt that, but they would have to live with it. It would have to be first come first serve basis.
The problem is, first come first serve does not follow people's interest in a class, nor does it make people happy with the Deathknights available.
Let's take the raiding environment as an example. On each server, we have a set of guilds. Each guild looks to recruit a balanced amount of classed to fill al lthe roles needed. They need main healers, man tainks, off tanks, damage dealers etc. They will, also, with the expansion, need deathknights.
A serious raiding guild is like a business. Supply and demand dictates how things work. Main tanks and main healers are always in short supply, so their worth increase. Less of them mean guilds need them more.
Limiting the deathknight to a first come/first serve basis severely limits the supply of deathknigts, because far from all will make them their mains, and even fewer will invest their time in raiding. This will make every piece of crap raider who happens to have death knight jump into guilds based on theri class rather than their skill. And that is something I do not think will benefit WoW in any way.
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It is called HERO class, no need for every 12 year old kid to have one. Kids will play whatever happens to the game, mature players will leave first if crap happens.
As for me it seems that blizzard now mainly targeted the younger generation with this new expansion, I mean their parents' wallet.
Deathknights should be fearsome to some extent. Taurens trolls gnomes fail at this, they won't be fearsome whatever you do to them. They also look ridiculous on horses which will likely be the deathknight racial mount.
I quit wow half a year ago but if I were still playing it, I'd definititely /quit seeing these races as deathknights.
And I'm not alone that's for sure.
The HERO denomination is, just as Blizzard themselves have said, nothing more than an indicator that the class was present in WC3 and that it does not start from lvl 1. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can agree with you though that a Gnome deathknight is ridiculous to look on, and I would never play one myself. That is a let-down to me personally as well.
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Isn't Sargeras the most powerful being in all the wow lore?
I don't even remember how they defeated him the first time, but I don't think it was in his prime.
He's not the most powerful, or at least he doesn't appear to be. He is definately one of the most powerful Titans, but the Titans are, apparently, dwarfed by the Old Gods. The Old Gods were five at most, while the Titans are many more than a dozen.
Last time Sargeras was defeated may refer to two separate occasions. The first was during the War of the Ancients. He wasn't defeated at that time, only the portal through which he was set to appear was shut.
The second time was when Aegwynn, the Guardian of Tirisfal fought with him and thought she defeated him. What she did beat was a only a part of Sargeras, and that part willingly lost so that it could corrupt her future child, Medivh.
So he's never really been beaten.
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I know they were not brothers. I just think that they are brothers in my mind. They are always plotting against eachother for some reason, and always fighting eachother. So in some way I think of them as brother. I knew who the Naga were, I just did not care for them in the game.
Plotting against each other? Mal'ganis was dead-set loyal to the Lich King, whom at the time was the perfect servant of Kil'jaeden and the Burning Legion. Tichondrius never plotted anything and obeyed orders perfectly. The only one who was scheming was Archimonde. He wished to have enough power to challenge Sargeras on his own, but Tichondrius and Mal'ganis were never involved in the plot.
In fact, there no reason to believe that Mal'Ganis and Archimonde ever met
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I think they will screw the game with the introduction of the deathknight class, or at least in its current form.
Why?
The deathkinght will start at a yet to be determined high level which will tempt everyone to roll one. On top of that it will probably be overpowered as well.
Everyone will have a deathknight alt resulting in a disproportionate percentage of classes being online at any one given time. Every 3rd player will be a deathknight.
Yes. For a short time period. Everyone can roll one; that doesn't everyone will like it. People will try it, then go back to their regular characters.
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The other thing.
As of now every race can become a deathknight. I mean, come on. Tauren, troll and gnome is eactly how most of use imagine a deathknigh right? They're also adding The Silver Hand as a faction as far as I know. Picture this: Ipwnu lvl 80 gnome deathknight, exalted with the Silver Hand.
While I can agree that it does look ridiculous, I find no real reason wh it should be limited to race. Arthas can make anyone who wants into a deathknight. If he wants Tauren deathknights, he can have them.
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They turn this game into a complete joke for the sake of profit.
Players will not establish canon. When the next Warcraft game comes, they will remove silly additions if they feel the need to.
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To be able to start one you should need to sacrifice your current character in the unlock quest. This would deter many players. And the allowable races should be limited to Bloodelf, Undead on Horde, and Human, Dwarf on Alliance.
Blizzard does not want to deter players. And I see no reason why players should be deterred from rolling this class if they want to.
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I see what you are saying. Like having a limit for about only a few hundred people to become a Death Knight, and not everyone becoming the same thing.
Which only serves to create another kind of uber class. Limiting the number of people allowed to roll the class would create an increased demand for Death Knights because of the low supply, which serves no useful purpose in a cooperative raiding/pvp environment.
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What are you all babbling about here? It seems I must once again step in and correct the Warcraft knowledge in this forum
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I was just thinking about something...how strong will Arthas be if he single handily defeated Illidan in combat and that was even before he merged and became the Lich King.
My predictions are:
Arthas (Lich King)
Health: 13 000 000
Mana: 10 000
Damage: in the thousands maybe even tens of thousands
That's doesn't really have any bearing on it. Arthas will be made so that only be best guilds can initially take him down with 25 people at lvl 80. Thus that's where his difficulty will lie. Whether that means he was 1, 2 or 13 million HP is impossible to say.
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I wasn't saying every instance in WOW was so hard you had to make a party just to do it, but that is definitely has some that do.
Actually, if you are in the correct level range, every instance is impossibly to beat in a legit way on your own. That goes all the way from Ragefire Chasm up to Mount Hyjal.
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Arthas will no doubt be one of these. If Illidan, with all the power of the skull of Gul'dan could not stop Arthas, what chance do you have?
Well, that is a debate that has been raging for a long time. Blizzard will definately come up with an explanation. It probably won't be accepted by most die-hard lore fans though.
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They could keep pushing the boss's. I mean like you said Elfen, there are people who weren't introduced in the Warcraft series or at least not in the game play that are fucking strong. There's maybe only one guy in this franchise (that’s still alive) that might be stronger then Arthas. The demon lords like Archimond, but I doubt they will use them.
There are several characters who are most likely stronger.
Sargeras and some other Titans like Aman'thul and Norgannon are a given. Kil'jaeden is most certainly stronger than Arthas, and so are most likely the Old Gods.
Elune is also quite possibly stronger; though she will never intevene directly in a power struggle.
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Arthas definitely won't be the final boss. I think they will add him in WotLK, but there are still many more powerful beings to take on after him. I can only think of two off the top of my head atm:
Kil'Jaedan and Sargeras
Sargeras will never be the last boss. If that happens, the Warcraft franchise will die, since he is the ultimate antagonist of the entire Universe.
Kil'jaeden on the other hand is the last boss of the Sunwell Plateau which is coming in the next patch. Granted, when the players beat him he is only partly on Azeroth, since he is being summoned as the players kill him, but I doubt be will appear again anytime soon after that.
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I think it would be hella sick if they added archimond. But, if they added him, and they wanted to make a new expansion, they would end up having to find a new apponent, seeing as Archimond is the leader of the scourge.
He's already added. He's the last boss in teh Mount Hyjal instance. Archimonde was also never the leader of the Scourge except for a brief period, and even then he didn't lead them. He gave command over the Scourge to the Dreadlords upon invading Azeroth.
Kil'jdaeden was the mastermind behind it, so neither was Archimonde involved in the preparation work.
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Yeah but there are much bigger fish than Archimonde. He made the scourge, yes, but there's the ones who made him who he was to take care of and the ones who made the Burning Legion(If memory serves those two are the same person)
Yes. Sargeras, the Dark Titan and Destroyer of Worlds.
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That would be cool if you could fight the three brothers. Mal'Ganis, Tichondris, and I think Archimonde, but i am not sure.
If you could fight them together, that would actually be hard.
Three brothers?! What the heck? Archimonde belongs to the Eredar race, Tichondrius was the leader of the Dreadlords, and Mal'ganis was just a low-ranking dreadlord. Heck, Tichondrius could probably have killed Mal'ganis with a marshmallow had he wanted to.
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Tichondrius had the most dealings with Sylvannas, and is still at large
Illidan killed Tichondrius in the Night Elf campaign.
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That was what also pissed me off about Warcraft III. The Naga I disliked because how they could go through the water and come out of nowhere and destroy you.
The Naga were once the Highborne who served Queen Azshara and helped her allow the Burning Legion into the world. They, much like the Satyrs, were changed by their extensive use of magic and contact with the Legion, and sank beneath the sea to live there when the world was split in two.
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Heck, sometimes I get the urge to play WoW. If it's anything that game manages to do, it's hooking players.
I really want to play it though at times. I'll probably be unethical and mess around with the expansion on my own computer, but that's about it.
Also, are you just quickly peeking in to see what's happening FingolfinGR?
I wouldn't expect it to be too hard, but enough time consuming that a lot of people will skip it in the beginning in favor of levelling up their man char and experience the new instances and regions first-hand.
I think it will, reason being that I don't think te majority of people will like his skill system. It looks amazing, and I'd really like to try it, but I wonder if it will work out.
Honestly though, if Blizzard finds out too many people are DK's, they can just nerf them. That always took care of over-population before
Perhaps. I think it really will depend on the bosses that appear in Northrend and what tactics you need to use against them.
It is much better if everyone can roll a deathknight. That increases competition, and allows for guilds to have their members roll a deathknight if it is needed. It is a much more versatile and user-friendly system that promoted teamwork.
Let's take the raiding environment as an example. On each server, we have a set of guilds. Each guild looks to recruit a balanced amount of classed to fill al lthe roles needed. They need main healers, man tainks, off tanks, damage dealers etc. They will, also, with the expansion, need deathknights.
A serious raiding guild is like a business. Supply and demand dictates how things work. Main tanks and main healers are always in short supply, so their worth increase. Less of them mean guilds need them more.
Limiting the deathknight to a first come/first serve basis severely limits the supply of deathknigts, because far from all will make them their mains, and even fewer will invest their time in raiding. This will make every piece of crap raider who happens to have death knight jump into guilds based on theri class rather than their skill. And that is something I do not think will benefit WoW in any way.
The HERO denomination is, just as Blizzard themselves have said, nothing more than an indicator that the class was present in WC3 and that it does not start from lvl 1. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can agree with you though that a Gnome deathknight is ridiculous to look on, and I would never play one myself. That is a let-down to me personally as well.
Last time Sargeras was defeated may refer to two separate occasions. The first was during the War of the Ancients. He wasn't defeated at that time, only the portal through which he was set to appear was shut.
The second time was when Aegwynn, the Guardian of Tirisfal fought with him and thought she defeated him. What she did beat was a only a part of Sargeras, and that part willingly lost so that it could corrupt her future child, Medivh.
So he's never really been beaten.
Plotting against each other? Mal'ganis was dead-set loyal to the Lich King, whom at the time was the perfect servant of Kil'jaeden and the Burning Legion. Tichondrius never plotted anything and obeyed orders perfectly. The only one who was scheming was Archimonde. He wished to have enough power to challenge Sargeras on his own, but Tichondrius and Mal'ganis were never involved in the plot.
In fact, there no reason to believe that Mal'Ganis and Archimonde ever met
Yes. For a short time period. Everyone can roll one; that doesn't everyone will like it. People will try it, then go back to their regular characters.
While I can agree that it does look ridiculous, I find no real reason wh it should be limited to race. Arthas can make anyone who wants into a deathknight. If he wants Tauren deathknights, he can have them.
Players will not establish canon. When the next Warcraft game comes, they will remove silly additions if they feel the need to.
Blizzard does not want to deter players. And I see no reason why players should be deterred from rolling this class if they want to.
Which only serves to create another kind of uber class. Limiting the number of people allowed to roll the class would create an increased demand for Death Knights because of the low supply, which serves no useful purpose in a cooperative raiding/pvp environment.
That's doesn't really have any bearing on it. Arthas will be made so that only be best guilds can initially take him down with 25 people at lvl 80. Thus that's where his difficulty will lie. Whether that means he was 1, 2 or 13 million HP is impossible to say.
Actually, if you are in the correct level range, every instance is impossibly to beat in a legit way on your own. That goes all the way from Ragefire Chasm up to Mount Hyjal.
Well, that is a debate that has been raging for a long time. Blizzard will definately come up with an explanation. It probably won't be accepted by most die-hard lore fans though.
There are several characters who are most likely stronger.
Sargeras and some other Titans like Aman'thul and Norgannon are a given. Kil'jaeden is most certainly stronger than Arthas, and so are most likely the Old Gods.
Elune is also quite possibly stronger; though she will never intevene directly in a power struggle.
Sargeras will never be the last boss. If that happens, the Warcraft franchise will die, since he is the ultimate antagonist of the entire Universe.
Kil'jaeden on the other hand is the last boss of the Sunwell Plateau which is coming in the next patch. Granted, when the players beat him he is only partly on Azeroth, since he is being summoned as the players kill him, but I doubt be will appear again anytime soon after that.
He's already added. He's the last boss in teh Mount Hyjal instance. Archimonde was also never the leader of the Scourge except for a brief period, and even then he didn't lead them. He gave command over the Scourge to the Dreadlords upon invading Azeroth.
Kil'jdaeden was the mastermind behind it, so neither was Archimonde involved in the preparation work.
Yes. Sargeras, the Dark Titan and Destroyer of Worlds.
Three brothers?! What the heck? Archimonde belongs to the Eredar race, Tichondrius was the leader of the Dreadlords, and Mal'ganis was just a low-ranking dreadlord. Heck, Tichondrius could probably have killed Mal'ganis with a marshmallow had he wanted to.
Illidan killed Tichondrius in the Night Elf campaign.
The Naga were once the Highborne who served Queen Azshara and helped her allow the Burning Legion into the world. They, much like the Satyrs, were changed by their extensive use of magic and contact with the Legion, and sank beneath the sea to live there when the world was split in two.