not really. In Diablo you dont get more content every 2 months. You also dont get hackfree and lagfree on battle.net. I get the feeling i get something in return for the money i pay for WoW.
Because if its easy and not interesting then theres no point in playing. I love D2's storyline and skills...plus I kinda fell into it, it's great. I just don't like WoW
i could say the exact same thing the other way around:
Because if its easy and not interesting then theres no point in playing. I love WoW's storyline and skills...plus I kinda fell into it, it's great. I just don't like Diablo.
see, since there's nothing but personal taste to it theres no proving anything. Diablo was hard to keep you playing after 90 since leveling was too slow and you had to keep grinding Baal over and over again. Barely interesting to me. I also think there was way more story in Diablo 1 (with the tomes you found in the dungeons etc) than in Diablo 2. I also think WoW has way deeper lore and stories atm. All the quests tell stories that expand the lore and there are thousands of them.
Dont get me wrong i love the Diablo franchise, thats the main reason i'm here. But i dont like people talking shit about a great game i also love.
first off i agree that you have all rights to not like a game, since its based on PERSONAL TASTE. The thing is that you also cant prove a completely successfull game to be crap/stupid/badly designed/easy by just saying it is. The thing is that the bosses you mentioned (Ragnaros/Nefarian) are the easiest end-game final bosses (My guild killed Ragnaros in about 2:35 minutes without and flasks etc - for both we dont even need 40 people online to do them). The game is very well designed, especially for those who socialize and get decent guilds to progress in end-game. It can be boring while grinding, but which MMO isnt? Technically all MMOs are grind games. Graphics just stay close to the rest of the Warcraft games and some like, and some others dont.
And, I'm not full of shit, I just have an opinion, because I have a MIND.
your opinion you can have. But convince anyone you cannot. The thing is that in this whole arguement you dont show that the plain fact that the people like you that dont like the game for what the game has to offer are a minority.
the rest about how a Diablo 3 or a Diablo MMO would pwn WoW is plain speculation and since nothing's based on facts theres no real point talking about it.
6 million people play World of Warcraft because 6 million people play.
now you make perfect sense. What the hell is that about?
Not too many people wanna sit around and waste time playing an MMO with no people playing
so you think 6 million people would waste their time and money playing a bad MMO? Doesnt make sense to me.
I wouldnt be able to come up with reasoning at all for hating the game
no real reasoning has been given.
If I was stupid, I wouldn't play difficult games,
i've seen a 5 year old being an ace in many games. Doesnt make it a genius either.
And, thanks for the insult. I didnt insult you at all, and, Im certainly not stupid otherwise
if you read carefull you'll see it wasnt an insult but a warning. I didnt tell you you are stupid, i said the way you reason your arguement you make yourself look like one.
read the stuff i added first and then the stuff i'll say in this reply:
it is pretty much an unwritten law...look at any other GOOD MMO.
WoW is proven by numbers that its the BEST MMO. Technically statistics proved you wrong.
you can make a game look real and detailed without making it so much that people will complain
Blizzards officials said they had a graphics engine that made the world look really darker and more mature. But decided it wouldnt suit the Warcraft universe so they kept it back (to use for another game maybe). Blizzard always does what they think best for their games. What a few people say isnt important. Statistics proved Blizzard right (again).
They all look somewhat realistic, not like little cartoons running around questing
Blizzard never followed guidelines. If they did they would never have made Diablo either. They decide what fits best to the game and make it happen. I dont see many people complain about the graphics. And even some that do they keep playing the game. 6 million active subscribers are a pretty convincing amount of customers, dont you think? Most of the games you mentioned earlier i havent even heared of. WoW is popular for a reason.
so- keep going?
you're not a real challenge. No points at all. No logic in ur arguement. So yeah, lets keep going to see if u make urself look even more stupid.
An MMO should not be cartoonish and should be detailed.
says a certain rule of yours? It wouldnt stay close to the series and people would have the right to whine about it. You dont play a fantasy game for realism.
You can make your character look many different ways, sure, but what is the point if the graphics suck ass, the armor looks stupid, and the characters look like cartoons?
the graphics suck ass in what way?
the armor, especially the end-game sets are awesome. The characters look cartoonish, just as the rest of the game/series.
WoW is easy.
have u ever played it? I mean, alright, its not too hard to reach the level cap, but do you have any idea how hard it is to beat the end-game bosses? How much practice and cooperation between the raid members it requires? No, cause you havent played it. The hard thing about WoW is to learn how to play as a team and keep focussed on the hardest encounters. Its nothing you can solo in no-time.
If you think It's hard I'll laugh
laugh but u still havent tried the things we tell you to.
because all you have to do is click a button and have a small, small stradegy for a quest.
in case you havent noticed we're talking about encounters that require 40 well organized people, not just a retard to hit 1 button during the whole fight.
Leveling is simple
it is, and its easier than in most other games. It also allows u to see more of the most challenging things in the game after that. In fact WoW really begins after u hit the lvl cap.
WoW's childish graphics and immature deisgn ruin it for me.
you say things without making points, again. Try and tell us why the design is immature. The thing with WoW is that its masterfully done. The quests are interesting (at least the stories they tell), there's alot action, u have to interact alot with the other players and join forces to see the good things of the game and feel rewarded for your effort. The game requires effort to play but it rewards you for it. Show me one guy that after a first boss kill with his guild didnt feel awesome.
and dude... u dont prove anything. As i said before its a matter of taste to like or not a game. But prove that this great game sucks, you cannot.
yeah, i used to have a book on my offhand. Now i use a Master Dragonslayer Orb (sounds catchy, eh?). Also the new shoulderpads and boots (plus the hidden hat). I was on fire with loots over the last weeks
got some new, better items over the last 2 weeks, so i changed the sig to make her look the way people see her in game (i just hid the new hat since its uber ugly :P)
*edit* woot, just noticed i reached 500 posts, gz me!
i didnt jump in before since the topic title doesnt indicate to its content (aka learn 2 post).
as of its contents:
No dude sorry Diablo owns WoW, WoW blows ass
its the thing i've heared most in these forums. But none managed to put in any good points. As of how massive WoW is, how complex and how much story driven it is (since all quests continue the storyline and keep telling side stories too) and how many things it gives u to do. I could make Diablo look pretty crappy but i dont think theres a point in it. You (the one that started this topic) prolly like simple games that allow u to kill masses without effort and require only 1 mouseclick for it.
the battle systems, its all a copy of lineage 2
the battle system is MMO classic. Been like this since before Everquest (i dont really know how Ultima Online was). WoW just made the UI (User Interface for those who dont know it) way better. Also gave the freedom to modders to make it even better to suit any gamer that wishes to change it. Lineage 2 is completely crap in comparison and only thing it has to show is graphics. (We can compare WoW with Lineage 2 if u want, but not with Diablo since they're not the same kind of game).
shitty graohics and scenery that is too cartoonish...
so, first u say u liked all other Warcraft games and now that u dont like that WoW is cartoonish... didnt it bother u that all 3 RTS Warcraft games were cartoonish?
they didnt work hard to make a chazrcter thats for sure...
really? they worked to make each item look different on each character. they worked on both male/female versions plus different characteristics, some of which show even in fully covered armor pieces. They also have 8 races (makes 16 base character models) and will add 2 more with the coming expansion.
and about:
I think we can all agree D3 will own Warcraft.
no way. at least not if D3 will be like D2 used to be. We'll love it, its gonna be great, but they wont be possible to compare either. If it comes out as a MMO it will most likely not be called "Diablo 3".
*edit*
if you want to play it clever go and read the "WoW SUCKS!!" threads on the Warcraft forums. Read all posts from page 1 to last. If you have any POINT to add, then go on. If not just dont make yourself look stupid (as ur doing now).
not really. In Diablo you dont get more content every 2 months. You also dont get hackfree and lagfree on battle.net. I get the feeling i get something in return for the money i pay for WoW.
i could say the exact same thing the other way around:
Because if its easy and not interesting then theres no point in playing. I love WoW's storyline and skills...plus I kinda fell into it, it's great. I just don't like Diablo.
see, since there's nothing but personal taste to it theres no proving anything. Diablo was hard to keep you playing after 90 since leveling was too slow and you had to keep grinding Baal over and over again. Barely interesting to me. I also think there was way more story in Diablo 1 (with the tomes you found in the dungeons etc) than in Diablo 2. I also think WoW has way deeper lore and stories atm. All the quests tell stories that expand the lore and there are thousands of them.
Dont get me wrong i love the Diablo franchise, thats the main reason i'm here. But i dont like people talking shit about a great game i also love.
simple as that. There cant be a real comparison between these 2. Period.
your opinion you can have. But convince anyone you cannot. The thing is that in this whole arguement you dont show that the plain fact that the people like you that dont like the game for what the game has to offer are a minority.
the rest about how a Diablo 3 or a Diablo MMO would pwn WoW is plain speculation and since nothing's based on facts theres no real point talking about it.
now you make perfect sense. What the hell is that about?
so you think 6 million people would waste their time and money playing a bad MMO? Doesnt make sense to me.
no real reasoning has been given.
i've seen a 5 year old being an ace in many games. Doesnt make it a genius either.
if you read carefull you'll see it wasnt an insult but a warning. I didnt tell you you are stupid, i said the way you reason your arguement you make yourself look like one.
one more thing:
now i'm sure ur full of shit.
WoW is proven by numbers that its the BEST MMO. Technically statistics proved you wrong.
Blizzards officials said they had a graphics engine that made the world look really darker and more mature. But decided it wouldnt suit the Warcraft universe so they kept it back (to use for another game maybe). Blizzard always does what they think best for their games. What a few people say isnt important. Statistics proved Blizzard right (again).
Blizzard never followed guidelines. If they did they would never have made Diablo either. They decide what fits best to the game and make it happen. I dont see many people complain about the graphics. And even some that do they keep playing the game. 6 million active subscribers are a pretty convincing amount of customers, dont you think? Most of the games you mentioned earlier i havent even heared of. WoW is popular for a reason.
you're not a real challenge. No points at all. No logic in ur arguement. So yeah, lets keep going to see if u make urself look even more stupid.
says a certain rule of yours? It wouldnt stay close to the series and people would have the right to whine about it. You dont play a fantasy game for realism.
the graphics suck ass in what way?
the armor, especially the end-game sets are awesome. The characters look cartoonish, just as the rest of the game/series.
have u ever played it? I mean, alright, its not too hard to reach the level cap, but do you have any idea how hard it is to beat the end-game bosses? How much practice and cooperation between the raid members it requires? No, cause you havent played it. The hard thing about WoW is to learn how to play as a team and keep focussed on the hardest encounters. Its nothing you can solo in no-time.
laugh but u still havent tried the things we tell you to.
in case you havent noticed we're talking about encounters that require 40 well organized people, not just a retard to hit 1 button during the whole fight.
it is, and its easier than in most other games. It also allows u to see more of the most challenging things in the game after that. In fact WoW really begins after u hit the lvl cap.
you say things without making points, again. Try and tell us why the design is immature. The thing with WoW is that its masterfully done. The quests are interesting (at least the stories they tell), there's alot action, u have to interact alot with the other players and join forces to see the good things of the game and feel rewarded for your effort. The game requires effort to play but it rewards you for it. Show me one guy that after a first boss kill with his guild didnt feel awesome.
and dude... u dont prove anything. As i said before its a matter of taste to like or not a game. But prove that this great game sucks, you cannot.
*edit* woot, just noticed i reached 500 posts, gz me!
as of its contents:
its the thing i've heared most in these forums. But none managed to put in any good points. As of how massive WoW is, how complex and how much story driven it is (since all quests continue the storyline and keep telling side stories too) and how many things it gives u to do. I could make Diablo look pretty crappy but i dont think theres a point in it. You (the one that started this topic) prolly like simple games that allow u to kill masses without effort and require only 1 mouseclick for it.
the battle system is MMO classic. Been like this since before Everquest (i dont really know how Ultima Online was). WoW just made the UI (User Interface for those who dont know it) way better. Also gave the freedom to modders to make it even better to suit any gamer that wishes to change it. Lineage 2 is completely crap in comparison and only thing it has to show is graphics. (We can compare WoW with Lineage 2 if u want, but not with Diablo since they're not the same kind of game).
so, first u say u liked all other Warcraft games and now that u dont like that WoW is cartoonish... didnt it bother u that all 3 RTS Warcraft games were cartoonish?
really? they worked to make each item look different on each character. they worked on both male/female versions plus different characteristics, some of which show even in fully covered armor pieces. They also have 8 races (makes 16 base character models) and will add 2 more with the coming expansion.
and about:
no way. at least not if D3 will be like D2 used to be. We'll love it, its gonna be great, but they wont be possible to compare either. If it comes out as a MMO it will most likely not be called "Diablo 3".
*edit*
if you want to play it clever go and read the "WoW SUCKS!!" threads on the Warcraft forums. Read all posts from page 1 to last. If you have any POINT to add, then go on. If not just dont make yourself look stupid (as ur doing now).