on the topic of reincarnation, i like the idea of quantum immortality. that brings more comfort to me than heaven for some odd reason.
Because the thought of floating around clouds without any tangible things and somehow mindlessly happy seems not so great. Keep coming back forever is much more fun
it has more to do with staying alive until the end of the universe than coming back over and over, but i get ya.
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Neither in the definition of omnipotence or omnipresence suggest the idea of one who is "all-knowing," unless said being inherently wants to have that ability (being omnipotent) but as a lesser beings we can never know that now can we?
Even if said being was all-knowing what is to truly know something? Perhaps instead of viewing someone's life journey as a road map think of it as a large tree with endless branches. Say God knows and fully understands this tree of someone and knows all the infinite conclusions on where the branches end, but as said God is is apathetic then it is up to the person him/herself to choose what path lies ahead of him/her no?
with omnipresence comes omniscience. either way, both are attributes of an omnipotent God.
and, if he does not know what path you will chose, then he is not a god, just an observer with limited power. im sure the catholic church, or any denomination by that matter, would not like to hear that about their alpha and omega.
Or still has omnipotence but is apathetic for whatever reason, this also ties in with the "grand plan" mentioned earlier
but apathy has no effect on omnipresence and omniscience. he still knows.
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"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Neither in the definition of omnipotence or omnipresence suggest the idea of one who is "all-knowing," unless said being inherently wants to have that ability (being omnipotent) but as a lesser beings we can never know that now can we?
Even if said being was all-knowing what is to truly know something? Perhaps instead of viewing someone's life journey as a road map think of it as a large tree with endless branches. Say God knows and fully understands this tree of someone and knows all the infinite conclusions on where the branches end, but as said God is is apathetic then it is up to the person him/herself to choose what path lies ahead of him/her no?
with omnipresence comes omniscience. either way, both are attributes of an omnipotent God.
and, if he does not know what path you will chose, then he is not a god, just an observer with limited power. im sure the catholic church, or any denomination by that matter, would not like to hear that about their alpha and omega.
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Omnipotence and omnipresence have no affect on "fate" I believe the term your looking for is beneficence which deems God will use said omnipotence and omnipresence to care for his creations yes?
Going more into your point, Catholics/Christians deem that God has a "Grand Plan" for everything, there is no dispute to this. They believe even though he shows apathy today, even though he's omnipotent, omnipresent, and beneficent, everything still is in accordance with his "Grand Plan." Basically, God knows all but he doesn't dictate what people do in how they die. If a person dies by lightning bolt God knows, if that same person instead gets shot by a gun God knows. This is what Catholics/Christians refer to as "God cannot be understood by mere humans/mortals."
i just dont think you understand the concept of free will. and its not just the christian god either, its any religion that empowers those traits on a deity.
Then explain to me how omnipotence and omnipresence without beneficence or any other factor affects the concept of a person's free will in any way.
the effect is inherent in the belief of an supreme being. if he is all knowing then he knows what you will experience in life. the god knows your future and what decisions you will already make - thus, leaving free will only an illusion to you since you cannot know your own future. and if he is not all knowing, then he is not a god that is all powerful - thus, he is not God.
5-0 gd.
whether you chose to believe in such a thing hardly matters to me since i prescribe to the belief that as humans, we dont really know what we want.
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"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Omnipotence and omnipresence have no affect on "fate" I believe the term your looking for is beneficence which deems God will use said omnipotence and omnipresence to care for his creations yes?
Going more into your point, Catholics/Christians deem that God has a "Grand Plan" for everything, there is no dispute to this. They believe even though he shows apathy today, even though he's omnipotent, omnipresent, and beneficent, everything still is in accordance with his "Grand Plan." Basically, God knows all but he doesn't dictate what people do in how they die. If a person dies by lightning bolt God knows, if that same person instead gets shot by a gun God knows. This is what Catholics/Christians refer to as "God cannot be understood by mere humans/mortals."
i just dont think you understand the concept of free will. and its not just the christian god either, its any religion that empowers those traits on a deity.
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You're still not understanding how free will works.
Everyone has free will, we both agree on this.
Free will is the ability to make conscious decisions or voluntary decisions. If another person uses free will to harm or constrain you this does not override your free will. If someone points a gun at me and tells me not to move or I'll die, I still have free will in deciding to move or not. Sure one choice wouldn't be the most prudent one but I still have the option to do so.
Let's go back to the police/citizen example. If the police arrest me and I'm pinned down to be handcuffed, I still possess free will in deciding whether to fight back defensively (IE move around alot) or just stay still and wait to be handcuffed.
Free will is constant not variable.
put it this way
so God is: omnipotent, omnipresent, and beneficent.
if he truly is omnipotent and omnipresent, then there is no such thing as free will. everything is decided by fate, because he knows what will happen and has the power to change it on a whim or for some greater purpose.
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idk, that whole noah's ark thing sounds like "sending extreme weathers" to me. but im no bible scholar.
I specifically stated Catholics/Christians not Judaism, Islam, and the like.
Plus at the end of that story God vowed not to initiate any such event ever again.
a christian also includes the old testament. unless catholic bibles dont.
and then theres that whole Revelations thing with the seals and such...
No the Bible includes both Old and New Testament. But due to the New Testament being about Jesus, and the New Testament coming after the Old Testament, and the fact that Catholicism/Christianity is based on Jesus' teachings... in short the New Testament usually overrides the Old Testament in Catholicism/Christianity.
so, Christians do not follow the 10 commandments? i was raised christian and we read the old as much as the new.
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intrinsic good and bad exists in every context, but the knowledge of good and bad could be in question. if we were all colour blind, then who would stand up and say, "i believe there is colour?" it takes a truly radical thinker to say a thing, and only then to get denied because the norm is to say otherwise. its a strange thing, and its hard to imagine since we dont live in such a world without good vs bad.
wow! thats a hard thing to do, asserting good vs bad definitively since the world has so much grey area and how every brain is wired differently. what might give me pleasure might give you pain (stop thinking about it). anytime culture fits into anything scientific, i kinda look at it as the same as religion - which one is correct, and why is this one better than that one? maybe im thinking of something else other than culture...
and if we could all rely on science as a moral compass (remember, utopian), well, i think that to a point we wouldnt be human any more. a deranged fact is, we can find happiness in each others flaws. thats somehow strangely part of our evolution. and to say that we need to further evolve into some sort of zen-state machine that only lives to spit out logic and fact sounds awfully depressing (slightly dystopian, i know i know, hollywood...). sure, peace and progress to whatever chrome plated future depends on our ability to think before shooting, but the alternative doesnt have to be a wasteland; im positive theres a middle ground in there.
sometimes i take comfort in the fact that we are illogical, and that we do sometimes act like irrational, emotional things. it makes our world just slightly more fun
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now somewhere along the line, i did see something written about, "if God exists, why does evil..." or something like that. a point believers like to make is that without evil, there is no good. it makes sense to me in a comforting way. without bad things, would we strive for good? biologically there are obvious explanations, but how we evolved this way still amazes me sometimes. but thats the whole nature vs. nurture debate which, bee tee dubs, is way more interesting
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"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
and, if he does not know what path you will chose, then he is not a god, just an observer with limited power. im sure the catholic church, or any denomination by that matter, would not like to hear that about their alpha and omega.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
the effect is inherent in the belief of an supreme being. if he is all knowing then he knows what you will experience in life. the god knows your future and what decisions you will already make - thus, leaving free will only an illusion to you since you cannot know your own future. and if he is not all knowing, then he is not a god that is all powerful - thus, he is not God.
5-0 gd.
whether you chose to believe in such a thing hardly matters to me since i prescribe to the belief that as humans, we dont really know what we want.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
so God is: omnipotent, omnipresent, and beneficent.
if he truly is omnipotent and omnipresent, then there is no such thing as free will. everything is decided by fate, because he knows what will happen and has the power to change it on a whim or for some greater purpose.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
and then theres that whole Revelations thing with the seals and such...
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
and nice post, im sure theres flaws in it, but happy-me is a text-vomit-me
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
wow! thats a hard thing to do, asserting good vs bad definitively since the world has so much grey area and how every brain is wired differently. what might give me pleasure might give you pain (stop thinking about it). anytime culture fits into anything scientific, i kinda look at it as the same as religion - which one is correct, and why is this one better than that one? maybe im thinking of something else other than culture...
and if we could all rely on science as a moral compass (remember, utopian), well, i think that to a point we wouldnt be human any more. a deranged fact is, we can find happiness in each others flaws. thats somehow strangely part of our evolution. and to say that we need to further evolve into some sort of zen-state machine that only lives to spit out logic and fact sounds awfully depressing (slightly dystopian, i know i know, hollywood...). sure, peace and progress to whatever chrome plated future depends on our ability to think before shooting, but the alternative doesnt have to be a wasteland; im positive theres a middle ground in there.
sometimes i take comfort in the fact that we are illogical, and that we do sometimes act like irrational, emotional things. it makes our world just slightly more fun
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."