What is it with atheists on this site insisting on wanting to post retarded videos?
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Well, the problem that I see with that is there are two distinct definitions of good and evil in that situation that are not being addressed. 1 being the universal definition set out by God that does not change despite the situation or perception. Then there is the definition that humans try to define which is yielding to circumstances. You can't put limits on the definition of good and bad by the standards of God with the standards that humans hold it at. Just because we can't logically conceive of a non yielding, definitive definition of good and evil,, does not mean that one does not exist.
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I think it's a kinda lame point tbh. I don't presume to know that he would be malevolent based on his decisions. After all, he would be god. I highly doubt my logic could even conceive the reason why he/she/it did something..Maybe the atheists would like to question a being that has existed for an infinite amount of time prior to their own existence but, I'll leave that one to them.
And some would say that I was being a blind faith follower or something(for the record, no I'm not religious), but it has nothing to do with that. Could God be wrong in his decisions? No, it's literally not possible. God, being the creator of existence(by most standards, at least in this instance he is), he/she/it(lol) is the ultimate standard for good and bad. If there is a such thing as good and bad, the only way it could be anything more than a mere concept that changes constantly based on perception is if it has an ultimate standard such as God.
See..this is why I have a problem with some atheists. My aunt is an atheist. And her most prolific argument is "well, I don't believe in a god that would let all this evil happen in the world and let all these people die." Why do people have this peculiar idea that they would ever be able to understand why God chose to do or not do something? And why does not understanding this, mean that there is no god(s) at all? I guess it boils down to them not understanding that God does not hav to fit in the small parameters given by the bible. Although, he does some serious ownage of people in the bible as well.
YA! That brings me to my next point. This one is mostly for Americans. Why would anybody in their right mind who has ever read the bible think that America is God's country and he protects us? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What would be faaaaarrr more plausible in perspective to that claim would be that God sent those airplanes into the twin towers. Why? Well, read the bible. Remember Sodom and Gamorrah? Cities with gay people, everyone was fucking in general, murder, worshiping of false gods and idols. Then take a look at America. If thats how it went down back then with those 2 cities, I'm surprised America still exists even as a land mass lol.
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Truth is truth however you want to slice it. And it's something that can rarely be found in this world. It's why I prefer not to take sides. Despite the fact that I still do take sides lol.
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I would much rather believe in the harsh truth than the comforting lie, but apparently, that's just a "matter of opinion".
As would I. However, to presume either to be truth or lie is naive.
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
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Yes, the concept of knowing whether harm would come to our well being based on being given the "truth of the universe" is indeed, out of our reach.
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I can say for one that if God is perfect, then he wouldn't be so imperfect as to create lies.
You make so many assumptions that it's hard to even discuss this with you. I think this one sentence sums up the fallacies of how you propose your arguments.
Are you suggesting that you know so much that you can even grasp what it means to be perfect and everything that it entails? I find that quite stunning because from my point of view, the idea of perfection is a very abstract and out of reach concept. I wouldn't be caught dead trying to presume I had any inclination as to what a perfect being would do if one existed.
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And it's a good argument you're posing. "Since humans were all dumb back then, the prophets went easy on them and turned the facts into nice little fairy tales that they could swallow". Humans were very dumb indeed, with their bows and arrows, iron and steel armors; infrastructure, agriculture, the math they knew that reached to an early college education today. Very dumb indeed.
Look, if you could tone down the sarcasm a bit that would be wonderful. It's condescending sarcastic attitudes like this that make me want to close this thread. If you are going to discuss this, discuss it, don't bash the beliefs of others. Be mature please.
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It doesn't matter what I THINK because you clearly already KNOW the truth. Which is quite remarkable.
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Well, bring some Buddhists, Hindus, etc, and I'll talk about their religion. Otherwise, your splitting hairs.
How is it splitting hairs when the thread title says Religion? It's a very valid point and I would find it quite refreshing to see an atheist bash a different religion once and a while.
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Dude are you serious? lol you got it pretty much right on ppl's views but don't come into philosophical thread like this and be like, okay well this is stupid to debate and talk about stuff, let's quit. Um, no.
I was very serious in fact. If you would like to browse the thread then you would know this is not my first post in the thread. This thread has not made any progression since it was started. Nobody wants to agree with anybody and it results in a lot of insults and trolling.
And there is nothing philosophical about this thread. Maybe a few insightful posts here and there. But even those go ignored and end up being cast aside. This thread as a whole is just one big argument where nobody gets anywhere.
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Irrational: Religion is dumb!!!!
Other people: Na uh!!!
Can we be done with this now?
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I think I finally got what you are trying to say. You believe in science, but you just believe that existence came from a deity?
Why would believing in a deity mean you didn't believe in science? I'm pretty sure most people who have posted in this thread believe in science.
Deism at it's most SIMPLE form(to me) is nothing more than "Idk about all that scripture stuff, but from how I rationalize the world around me, it makes pretty good sense to think that a life force of some kind is responsible for all of this."
Deism doesn't even speculate on what the deity would even be. For all we know, "God" could literally be everything and everywhere all at once. Meaning the universe WAS God. It could be any number of things, but yet, Deism doesn't speculate on that. A deist might, but deism itself is simply rationalizing that believing in the existence of a deity is rational.
Speaking of...I finally looked up Deism in wikipedia to see what they had to say about it. Easy to read with good info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
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And some would say that I was being a blind faith follower or something(for the record, no I'm not religious), but it has nothing to do with that. Could God be wrong in his decisions? No, it's literally not possible. God, being the creator of existence(by most standards, at least in this instance he is), he/she/it(lol) is the ultimate standard for good and bad. If there is a such thing as good and bad, the only way it could be anything more than a mere concept that changes constantly based on perception is if it has an ultimate standard such as God.
See..this is why I have a problem with some atheists. My aunt is an atheist. And her most prolific argument is "well, I don't believe in a god that would let all this evil happen in the world and let all these people die." Why do people have this peculiar idea that they would ever be able to understand why God chose to do or not do something? And why does not understanding this, mean that there is no god(s) at all? I guess it boils down to them not understanding that God does not hav to fit in the small parameters given by the bible. Although, he does some serious ownage of people in the bible as well.
YA! That brings me to my next point. This one is mostly for Americans. Why would anybody in their right mind who has ever read the bible think that America is God's country and he protects us? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What would be faaaaarrr more plausible in perspective to that claim would be that God sent those airplanes into the twin towers. Why? Well, read the bible. Remember Sodom and Gamorrah? Cities with gay people, everyone was fucking in general, murder, worshiping of false gods and idols. Then take a look at America. If thats how it went down back then with those 2 cities, I'm surprised America still exists even as a land mass lol.
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As would I. However, to presume either to be truth or lie is naive.
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
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You make so many assumptions that it's hard to even discuss this with you. I think this one sentence sums up the fallacies of how you propose your arguments.
Are you suggesting that you know so much that you can even grasp what it means to be perfect and everything that it entails? I find that quite stunning because from my point of view, the idea of perfection is a very abstract and out of reach concept. I wouldn't be caught dead trying to presume I had any inclination as to what a perfect being would do if one existed.
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Look, if you could tone down the sarcasm a bit that would be wonderful. It's condescending sarcastic attitudes like this that make me want to close this thread. If you are going to discuss this, discuss it, don't bash the beliefs of others. Be mature please.
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Man, I'm glad you're so knowledgeable and wise.
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How is it splitting hairs when the thread title says Religion? It's a very valid point and I would find it quite refreshing to see an atheist bash a different religion once and a while.
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I was very serious in fact. If you would like to browse the thread then you would know this is not my first post in the thread. This thread has not made any progression since it was started. Nobody wants to agree with anybody and it results in a lot of insults and trolling.
And there is nothing philosophical about this thread. Maybe a few insightful posts here and there. But even those go ignored and end up being cast aside. This thread as a whole is just one big argument where nobody gets anywhere.
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Irrational: Religion is dumb!!!!
Other people: Na uh!!!
Can we be done with this now?
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Why would believing in a deity mean you didn't believe in science? I'm pretty sure most people who have posted in this thread believe in science.
Deism at it's most SIMPLE form(to me) is nothing more than "Idk about all that scripture stuff, but from how I rationalize the world around me, it makes pretty good sense to think that a life force of some kind is responsible for all of this."
Deism doesn't even speculate on what the deity would even be. For all we know, "God" could literally be everything and everywhere all at once. Meaning the universe WAS God. It could be any number of things, but yet, Deism doesn't speculate on that. A deist might, but deism itself is simply rationalizing that believing in the existence of a deity is rational.
Speaking of...I finally looked up Deism in wikipedia to see what they had to say about it. Easy to read with good info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
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