This thread is still up? Lol I thought this thread has banned more members than the thread that banned more members. Whatevs. I'm staying out of this thread this time.
You asked for a religion that didn't originate from the Middle East...
-yawns- Sorry had a brainfart.
Anyways, you've just proved my original point that religion is not entirely subject to a 'badtrack record against open-mindedness and self-morals' .
What??? Whoa whoa... Stop right there. If anything, I just provided an example for you that completely disproves your idea that "No religion has ever formed outside the Middle East". But I guess that doesn't mean anything anymore.
Alright, here are some throw-ins of lack of open-mindedness and self-morals by religion.
- The Big Bang Theory is fake
- Evolution is fake
- Science is a lie
- Homosexuality is a sin
- Creation according to the Religion Book is the only way
- The Religion Book is your life and you must live by it
- Unknown knowledge = proof of God
- Technology is a evil and corrupting thing
And what happens when the unexplainable just remains that, unexplainable? There are somethings that are better left unknown or shall remain unknown throughout time.
And really what's wrong with believing in a deity?
Like what? Honestly, just because we don't know what happened, it does not mean that a deity is responsible. This is the attitude of the people in the Dark Age, where everything was unexplainable and it was all apparently the work of God.
And what type of question is the last question? This is a religion vs. Atheism debate. I believe in an open-mind and the ability for each person to figure out his or her own morals. A belief of a deity has a bad track record with both of those, so I'm just going with the statistics, but there are a lot of religions that promote both.
Thought it was Religion vs Science debate, might wanna change that title there.
Religion has a bad track record huh? Name a bad religion that didn't originate from the Middle East (Islam, Chatholicism/Christinaity, Jew, etc.). Again if your gonna use the broad term 'religion' instead of specific religions then you must take into account the many religions around the world.
Name a religion that didn't originate from the Middle East? What???? Are you serious? Buddhism? There's one. Plus many, many others.
And what happens when the unexplainable just remains that, unexplainable? There are somethings that are better left unknown or shall remain unknown throughout time.
And really what's wrong with believing in a deity?
Like what? Honestly, just because we don't know what happened, it does not mean that a deity is responsible. This is the attitude of the people in the Dark Age, where everything was unexplainable and it was all apparently the work of God.
And what type of question is the last question? This is a religion vs. Atheism debate. I believe in an open-mind and the ability for each person to figure out his or her own morals. A belief of a deity has a bad track record with both of those, so I'm just going with the statistics, but there are a lot of religions that promote both.
Well it really depends on how you look at God. For Catholics/Christians and subdivisions of it, they look to God as a father figure that is always loving and cares for everyone no matter what. That's a nice view no matter how you look at it, but then there's the question of "why is he/she/it absent from the world right now?"
Well the real question is, "Why is this person only recorded in time where believing in Zues, Hera, Thor, and witches acceptable?"
I think that's the birth of Athiesm and in a way, Deism. Deism still holds God into account, but does not enforce the prospect of said God being caring or whatnot. Basically that God created the universe and existence, and that's where ends, from there it can evolve into many different beliefs
Yet we don't know anything about existence or the creation of the universe. Why does a deity have to be responsible for creation? I prefer to wait to so that we can find a naturalistic explanation for the universe.
Could God just believe that the affairs of mortals are too simplistic and not worth attention/intervention? Or could it be that God has a grand plan for it all, or something else entirely?
Can you please stop talking about Christianity and the Bible, and start talking about the Quran, and start giving me examples from those specific things, without retorting to Google? Wait, you can't? Thought so. You haven't read the Quran. You know next to nothing about it and about Islam, so stop defaming it.
Yes you're right, I don't know much if anything about it. But that's a pretty low blow to criticize me for not knowing about such a specialized topic. I wouldn't have even made a single post in this thread if it was labelled "Quran Vs. Science" But since it's about religion, that I do know. And I was brought up in a Christian family, so you can guess which religion I am specifically going to be addressing.
Good luck proving to me that people were brainwashed thousands of years ago.I doubt your grandpa or daddio were alive back then. They didn't "prove" anything, they just preached, and you were free to believe. Some performed miracles, some things were performed by God.
Take a look at the nature of people. They easily succumb to any rumours that seem to explain that which they do not know. It's not surprising that many people in the past believed in those stories, because belief spreads like wildfire - in other words, you would be shunned by the community if you opposed their belief. And what is critically important to note in this case is that no one had any reason to not believe in it. It was their only answer.
If you don't want to believe that kind of stuff, don't. I do. But don't start berating me for believing in what I believe, because I certainly am not doing that.
Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but I for one, will not live my life thinking that I'm just living life for the sake of living it, and that there's no endgame content.
What you believe doesn't concern me. I just want to ask you, if you're happy with your life then why do you need to be considering what will happen in your afterlife when you,1) Aren't sure it even exists2) Probably haven't even considered what you will do 10 years from now Doesn't it occur to you that man could've made up that whole heaven-hell comparison just to try and make you and me a better person in life? The most effective tool in changing someone's attitude is fear, and this is what they're using against us.But if heaven and hell exists, why would we have a justice system? Why don't they just leave it in the devil's hands to punish them for the rest of eternity? Sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but justice systems were created because there are many logical minded people out there that can see passed this brainwashing scheme, and lots of them are bad people too.
Tell you what. Provide me with some of that hardcore scientific "evidence" proving that God doesn't exist, and I'll rest my case. Just as I can't actually PROVE that God exists, you equally CAN'T prove that he DOESN'T exist.
This argument has been used to death already...You know that when Galileo gave some of that hardcore scientific evidence you're referring to about the Earth revolving around the Sun, he was tortured for it. Before this, if anyone questioned the Bible's facts then the same argument could have been produced: "Well then prove that it isn't true". Back then it couldn't, but what about now? Oh well now it's different. No one even thinks of arguing for the Bible's facts without coming up with some very crude and imaginative responses such as "the math was wrong".The only evidence one can give for your query is of course limited to the discoveries Science has already made. I can say for one that if God is perfect, then he wouldn't be so imperfect as to create lies.
At the end of the day, this is just an argument with no end in sight. It's like two people arguing about The Lochness Monster. There's no proof that it exists, but there's no proof that it absolutely does not exist.
Notice your use of "absolutely". Evidence is swaying much more towards that it doesn't exist because proving/disproving that the Loch Ness monster exists is a much easier challenge and within modern Science's grasp than proving god doesn't exist. They were both based on the same principle though. Some people think they saw something and their imagination ran wild.
There was the tribe of Quraish back when the Prophet Muhammed was spreading the word of Islam. An entire fucking tribe opposing him and Islam. Not to mention all the other people who didn't associate with Muhammad, or with the Quraish tribe. Get your facts straight. All you know abou is Christianity, yet you denounce God and all forms of religion.Give me a break with all your conspiracy theories and all that Prison Break nonsense. I have a firm belief in the afterlife..where do you get off telling me that I don't? I know where I'm gonna be 50 years from now, nevertheless 10.Justice systems are created because..wow, OMG, did you seriously just bring up such a horrid point? God didn't say that he will punish people directly, right off the bat, if they commit a sin. He wouldn't spray you with his titty milk from up in heaven if you murdered someone. You can do whatever you want on Earth, but when you die, you're gonna go to Hell if you are a sinner. The justice system is something implemented thousands of years ago, even by the prophet Muhammed. Dear God, that was such a horrible point you were trying to make.Bible Bible bla bla bla..stop talking to me about Christianity.
God, Mephisto I find your lack of common sense disturbing. I love how you take my one line and take it completely out of context when this entire thread could get anybody banned for "religious discrimination". If you want to debate, be prepared to be called out on your bullshit or please don't be part of this because I have a feeling that you are posting just to feel... what do you call it... "big". I would much rather believe in the harsh truth than the comforting lie, but apparently, that's just a "matter of opinion". I posted on your response to that and I would like to remind you that you also use quite "interesting" words to label other people's opinions, do please don't be a hypocrite. If you want to get me banned, please try. I am honestly sick of you coming into threads, posting opinions, and when people respond to it, you laugh at it and ruin the entire thread because you have to act like a troll in everything you do.But hey, I guess that's just a matter of opinion.
You called my argument bullshit. Do that, or anything remotely close to it, and you're gonna be permanently banned. Simple as that. You didn't post an opinion, you posted an insult, and I bet you my frikkin' account that every single person on the staff list will agree with me.LinkX, sugarplumb, I'm not a troll. You just think I'm a troll because I keep owning your ass 20482084 ways from Sunday, and everyone but you and your (apparently) boyfriend Irrational fail to see that. Lol@2 out of like, 200 members hating me. The argument you made about pixies and Kami and all those whatevers is more ridiculous than any of your other arguments. LOL. Those characters can be attributed to human beings who admittedly created them. They're a form of art, and they have well known artists. How the fuck did you even think that one out, I don't know.Man, you guys are making a fool out of yourselves..you should just retire from posting in this thread.
I would have had absolutely no problem if he called my argument ridiculous or nonsensical, then stated why. Absolutely none. Calling it bullshit is crossing the line. I'm not on a high chair, and I have no powers as I can't ban anyone myself, and even if I did, I wouldn't have banned him on the spot.Even believers do wrong things. It's near impossible to live a completely virtuous life. God is forgiving, and if you do a lot more good than you did bad, you are forgiven (but that shouldn't be used as an excuse for doing completely fuck-awful things). In my mind, there's no possibility that there is no heaven and hell. Absolutely none, so I can't even imagine your scenario.
I honestly don't get it. You're pretty much cornered in every way here. You got caught on your bullshit in every way, including with your arguments, your ban call, your hypocrisy, etc, and you still are finding a way to try to argue back. Look at the arguments you're presenting:
I would have had absolutely no problem if he called my argument ridiculous or nonsensical, then stated why. Absolutely none.
The argument of "God is the ONLY answer" is universally known as nonsense because it was the attitude of the people in the Dark Ages. This answer is usually frowned upon because of the absolute denial of an open mind. Also did I ever say "Your view is bullshit!" No. I said "The entire 'God is the ONLY answer' bullshit". I would also like to remind you that you call a lot of other things bullshit, and that it seems to be perfectly fine to you, even though you get called out on it a lot by people that are not me, LinkX, or Puttah. But hey, I guess rules don't apply to you.
Even believers do wrong things. It's near impossible to live a completely virtuous life. God is forgiving, and if you do a lot more good than you did bad, you are forgiven (but that shouldn't be used as an excuse for doing completely fuck-awful things). In my mind, there's no possibility that there is no heaven and hell. Absolutely none, so I can't even imagine your scenario.
Again, you are preaching to us now. You are saying that if we live a life as a believer and are "forgiven", then we shall go into this place that you call heaven (or hell depending on how you live). Interesting sales man technique. Here's a counter example: I made a religion called Irrationalism. It's if you don't do good you get your face nailed to a wall while having your genitals ripped from under you.
Seems motivating enough right? No. It's a simple sales man technique used by religions to make followers scared and need to follow that religion.
You called my argument bullshit. Do that, or anything remotely close to it, and you're gonna be permanently banned. Simple as that.
Read above. Threatening to say that someone will get banned is an equal infraction, I got reminded of that myself once. I would watch my back if I were you
.LinkX, sugarplumb, I'm not a troll. You just think I'm a troll because I keep owning your ass 20482084 ways from Sunday, and everyone but you and your (apparently) boyfriend Irrational fail to see that.
The argument you made about pixies and Kami and all those whatevers is more ridiculous than any of your other arguments. LOL. Those characters can be attributed to human beings who admittedly created them. They're a form of art, and they have well known artists. How the fuck did you even think that one out, I don't know.
LOL! I'm sorry this can't be ignored.
You: You can't disprove anything. Therefor it's real.
LinkX: So because I can't disprove Santa and pixies, they're real?
You: Of course not. They're not real. Where did you get that from? LOL!
Well the pursuit to find this probably reality is probably what this is all about, the discussion on what makes the most sense and fits in the world and its rules around us. To me, personally, science and math all the way and we came from scientific naturalism, meaning that what science said happened happened. Yet my opinion is still flexible because I, like science, will adjust to stay congruent with reality, even if it means giving up the false hope of an afterlife.
God, Mephisto I find your lack of common sense disturbing. I love how you take my one line and take it completely out of context when this entire thread could get anybody banned for "religious discrimination". If you want to debate, be prepared to be called out on your bullshit or please don't be part of this because I have a feeling that you are posting just to feel... what do you call it... "big".
I would much rather believe in the harsh truth than the comforting lie, but apparently, that's just a "matter of opinion". I posted on your response to that and I would like to remind you that you also use quite "interesting" words to label other people's opinions, do please don't be a hypocrite. If you want to get me banned, please try. I am honestly sick of you coming into threads, posting opinions, and when people respond to it, you laugh at it and ruin the entire thread because you have to act like a troll in everything you do.
I'm studying lab medicine and I still believe in God and have complete faith in my religion. Science explains the big bang and all that crap, it still fails to explain where all the shit that "banged" came from. If it managed to find that out, where did the things that resulted in the things that resulted in the big bang come from? And so on. God is the final answer, and all one has to have is faith to believe in it all. If God went on CNN and went like "hey you blasphemous fuckers, how about you stop listening to all your black Metal shit, put down your liquor bottle, and worship me, EH?" it would be absolutely fucking silly, and there'd be no thing as faith then, and everyone would simply worship God; and where's the "test" in that?
No it's not. If you're really studying lab science then you should know about the scientific method. You should know what unknowns are. Just because YOU think God is the only answer, does not mean that someone with a rational scientific mind can't see other answers. Do you know anything about the universe? How do you know how the universe formed? How do you know what was before it? The difference between you and me is that I am patient. I don't go straight to the entire "God is the ONLY answer" bullshit. I understand that I know NOTHING about the world around me, or even the world that isn't around me. Your perception on this is only one sided, and that to me, is a terrible way to get into whatever scientific field you're getting into.
Actually he is right. Anybody with a scientific degree is usually not religious. Most college professors are atheist, usually those in mathematics, physics, chemistry, philosophy, biology (especially this one), etc. There is no taboo in science, and saying that there is might be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
I'm studying lab medicine and I still believe in God and have complete faith in my religion. Science explains the big bang and all that crap, it still fails to explain where all the shit that "banged" came from. If it managed to find that out, where did the things that resulted in the things that resulted in the big bang come from? And so on. God is the final answer, and all one has to have is faith to believe in it all. If God went on CNN and went like "hey you blasphemous fuckers, how about you stop listening to all your black Metal shit, put down your liquor bottle, and worship me, EH?" it would be absolutely fucking silly, and there'd be no thing as faith then, and everyone would simply worship God; and where's the "test" in that?
All that I see in this thread is people discussing Christianity. What about Judaism? What about Islam? Can you please tell me how Islam has failed? You seem hellbent on showcasing Christianity's failure, can you please tell me Islam's "wrongs" ? Let's assume for the sake of example, that the Bible is wrong here and there because it has been written again and again by that guy and that guy, with plenty of differences between people with regards to several subject. Islam only has the Quran. Islam only has two sects, differing in slight things, all things considered. Since some of you like to think that they know everything, and therefore everyone who is religious or even believes in God is a fucking nutcase, please tell me what you KNOW about Islam, what you think it has gotten wrong in its Holy book, what you think science has disproved in the Quran...etc. Oh wait, you haven't read the Quran? You don't know anything about Islam bar the fact that Muslims are turban wearing terrorists? Heh, thought so.
What makes Christians 'Christian' is Jesus "those who believe in me are to be granted eternal life", the Christian Bible (New Testament) is entirely Jesus' story (written by different accounts), so basically no matter what (be it your a criminal, murderer, humantiarian, or average joe) if you truly believe in Jesus Christ and that he is the Son of God and died on the cross for all of our sins (past, future, and present) then you shall be granted eternal life, that's Catholicism/Christianity in a nutshell.
And I did give specific examples, again the 'taboo' of science is our morality. Our morality is the reason why people don't diesct other people for the sake of studying anatomy (like Da Vinci did) or why we don't clone humans even though we have the technology to do so. As long as this morality exists (and it will as long as we are human beings) then religion shall exist, why? Because religion is basically the refelction of humanity's moral values.
I don't want to sound rude, but do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?
Actually he is right. Anybody with a scientific degree is usually not religious. Most college professors are atheist, usually those in mathematics, physics, chemistry, philosophy, biology (especially this one), etc. There is no taboo in science, and saying that there is might be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
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What??? Whoa whoa... Stop right there. If anything, I just provided an example for you that completely disproves your idea that "No religion has ever formed outside the Middle East". But I guess that doesn't mean anything anymore.
Alright, here are some throw-ins of lack of open-mindedness and self-morals by religion.
- The Big Bang Theory is fake
- Evolution is fake
- Science is a lie
- Homosexuality is a sin
- Creation according to the Religion Book is the only way
- The Religion Book is your life and you must live by it
- Unknown knowledge = proof of God
- Technology is a evil and corrupting thing
The list goes on.
You asked for a religion that didn't originate from the Middle East...
Name a religion that didn't originate from the Middle East? What???? Are you serious? Buddhism? There's one. Plus many, many others.
Like what? Honestly, just because we don't know what happened, it does not mean that a deity is responsible. This is the attitude of the people in the Dark Age, where everything was unexplainable and it was all apparently the work of God.
And what type of question is the last question? This is a religion vs. Atheism debate. I believe in an open-mind and the ability for each person to figure out his or her own morals. A belief of a deity has a bad track record with both of those, so I'm just going with the statistics, but there are a lot of religions that promote both.
Well the real question is, "Why is this person only recorded in time where believing in Zues, Hera, Thor, and witches acceptable?"
Yet we don't know anything about existence or the creation of the universe. Why does a deity have to be responsible for creation? I prefer to wait to so that we can find a naturalistic explanation for the universe.
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If you really want to know what Creationism/Intelligent Design is go look up Kent Hovind, but I warn you, your blood will boil.
I honestly don't get it. You're pretty much cornered in every way here. You got caught on your bullshit in every way, including with your arguments, your ban call, your hypocrisy, etc, and you still are finding a way to try to argue back. Look at the arguments you're presenting:
The argument of "God is the ONLY answer" is universally known as nonsense because it was the attitude of the people in the Dark Ages. This answer is usually frowned upon because of the absolute denial of an open mind. Also did I ever say "Your view is bullshit!" No. I said "The entire 'God is the ONLY answer' bullshit". I would also like to remind you that you call a lot of other things bullshit, and that it seems to be perfectly fine to you, even though you get called out on it a lot by people that are not me, LinkX, or Puttah. But hey, I guess rules don't apply to you.
There is a good reason why you are not on a moderator.
Again, you are preaching to us now. You are saying that if we live a life as a believer and are "forgiven", then we shall go into this place that you call heaven (or hell depending on how you live). Interesting sales man technique. Here's a counter example: I made a religion called Irrationalism. It's if you don't do good you get your face nailed to a wall while having your genitals ripped from under you.
Seems motivating enough right? No. It's a simple sales man technique used by religions to make followers scared and need to follow that religion.
Read above. Threatening to say that someone will get banned is an equal infraction, I got reminded of that myself once. I would watch my back if I were you
Yup, that definitely proves you're not a troll.
Lol? Yeah it's DEFINITELY only 2 members. But I don't hate you. You just annoy me.
LOL! I'm sorry this can't be ignored.
You: You can't disprove anything. Therefor it's real.
LinkX: So because I can't disprove Santa and pixies, they're real?
You: Of course not. They're not real. Where did you get that from? LOL!
Yeah you get the point.
Yeah, we're definitely the ones making a fool out of ourselves.
Also, thanks for hearting my Star Wars quote
I would much rather believe in the harsh truth than the comforting lie, but apparently, that's just a "matter of opinion". I posted on your response to that and I would like to remind you that you also use quite "interesting" words to label other people's opinions, do please don't be a hypocrite. If you want to get me banned, please try. I am honestly sick of you coming into threads, posting opinions, and when people respond to it, you laugh at it and ruin the entire thread because you have to act like a troll in everything you do.
But hey, I guess that's just a matter of opinion.
No it's not. If you're really studying lab science then you should know about the scientific method. You should know what unknowns are. Just because YOU think God is the only answer, does not mean that someone with a rational scientific mind can't see other answers. Do you know anything about the universe? How do you know how the universe formed? How do you know what was before it? The difference between you and me is that I am patient. I don't go straight to the entire "God is the ONLY answer" bullshit. I understand that I know NOTHING about the world around me, or even the world that isn't around me. Your perception on this is only one sided, and that to me, is a terrible way to get into whatever scientific field you're getting into.
I don't want to sound rude, but do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?