Not technically necroing, sense there was no month span between posts. Close, but not quite.
I think the last actual necro of this thread was by FBIM way back when... Or some other member along those lines...
What about the male angels?
way true! it's not lol....maybe it could be considered......somehow supporting necro? lol
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stop necroing please. I know you are new the forums so this is a warning.
But to say stop necroing is necroing..why i didn't say anything about it. Nothing can be done really until the thread is closed.
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I think this thread in particular should be closed, its definitely come full circle with some pretty cool stuff.
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The problem with this whole question is the concept of omnipotency.
"Yes, God can make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it, but he would still be able to lift it." That's the only way to fulfill that statement.
"How would that work?"
"We don't know. The whole Universe woul annihilate itself if God did that."
"But if he's omnipotent he should be able to stop that from happening, otherwise he isn't omnipotent."
"Then we still wouldn't be able to comprehend it, we're not intelligent enough or even physically able to understand such an event."
"Then why can't God make it so we understand? Otherwise he's not omnipotent."
Ad infinitum...
The only way I think we could give God such a quality would be if the universe had some established principles, like time and continuity etc. that would prevent him from doing it, because he would have imposed the limitations in himself. Doesn't stop him from doing it in another universe entirely.
Or perhaps those additional 7 dimensions lying around somewhere could possibly explain this paradox of 3 dimensions.
Well put...I jsut find it a bit pointless to worry our tiny little minds with our own logic where God is concerned. If he is omnipotent and all that jazz then there is obviously some other forces at work that we dont factor in.
It's kinda like a math problem where you are using the wrong equation to figure out the problem. We are using our human logic equations to try and comprehend when there could be a different one that is beyond our understanding.
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in philosophy we discussed the philosophy of religion, and as you know, according to some monotheistic religions, God/etc is omnipotent, so one raises the question:
can God create a stone so large that even He cannot lift it?
really interesting, a paradox for sure.
Well, I always thought of God as someone with serious video game editing skillz....i wont use halo editor as an example cuz wow would prolly be more appropriate. If you have seen the videos of the zones where the creators have been working then you may follow where I'm going.
I dont think he could make a stone so great that he couldnt lift it because he has the ultimate editing powers, he can edit his str to do whatever he wants He/she/it can DO whatever it wants. Theoretically since the name for the the hebrew god ( the common christian god) means "he who causes to be" then he could turn into a giant Kerby if he wanted to...lol, that would be funny. But anyways ya. Its like video game creator in my mind (wow im a nerd :P), able to create anything and even if he chooses to interact with these creations then he can be anything he desires.
So, that was a look inside my head so im not sure how clear it was lol.:thumbsup:
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I'm not neutral per se, I am a deist, and they kinda go against both parties, atheists and Christians. The more neutral person would be an agnostic, who says "I don't know if God exists or not, but I won't deny it if I see it". A deist says "A higher being exists, but his intentions are not clear and each human can worship him, or not, the way he pleases". I also don't believe in evolution, not related to deism but I don't.
I knew it was something like that.
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Lucifer wanted to make it so we had no choice, so we would all choose right and go back to heaven, he wanted this plan so he could get all the glory of saving mankind. But God's plan was to give us agency and trials. If we had no trials in life we would not become as strong as we could. I am not talking about war, that is lucifer and mans own creation, due to intolerance and pride. Jesus volunteered to be sacrificed and to be our savior, but not for glory, he did what he did out of love and said the glory be thine(god's). And what some may see as "superstitions" others may call Faith.
I know this is only a bitter argument where the atheist type people will only disagree and try to discredit religious beliefs, but oh well, it still will never change what I believe.
go you! nah, i can only think of a FEW atheists here, or possible ones at least that are actually rude.
Most are pleasant, me n jazz may argue a bit but its all in fun,i know Equinox and magistrate seem to be neutral and on the fence about it(at least im pretty sure i've seen Equinox take the standpoint of both sides before). Just ignore the really narrow minded ones that have hilarious superiority complexes and think all religious people are idiotic because of faith, you cant change them so why bother presenting a point to deaf ears and blind eyes. You can tell who is actually here to converse and not argue. Dont get trapped by the ones that will argue you to death because you might find yourself flamming back roflcopter. :thumbsup:
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The basic answer to that question, which i probably covered in about page 50 or so is 1 john 5:19, according to the bible its not God doing these things, like war and all that other stuff, it is the devil. So when everyone asks how could God do this (I'm addressing people lacking faith in God because of events that produce transcendentalism that want an answer from the bible to dismiss their doubt), he isn't doing it, Satan is. They made a bet basically, how many people can Satan turn against God, God agreed and (keep in mind, according to the bible) gave Satan a time period to do this. So for that time period Lucifer is the ruler of the earth. Not in the sense that he can kill people outright but that he can manipulate and get people to DO what he desired without God interfering except for trying to just give humans the knowledge of the situation and letting them choose. And during this course of time, the deaths of billions from war, genocide, murders, etc go on Satan's shoulders.
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Superstition proper is older than deistic superstition. It would seem that it is a side-effect of the tendency to attribute agency to forces without agency, which, in ancient hominids, survived because it helped them survive.
Superstition, and therein religion, had a survival advantage insofar as it is a product of the human tendency to 'overshoot' in attributing agency -- since from an evolutionary perspective, in a primitive life it is better to be wrong in attributing too much agency to things in the environment than to be another agent's dinner due to a failure to attribute enough agency (such as to predators), so religiosity had a survival advantage. At the root of human belief in deities lies an instinct on a hair trigger: the disposition to attribute agency -- beliefs and desires and other mental states -- to anything complicated that moves. The false alarms generated by our overactive disposition to look for agents wherever the action is are the irritants around which the pearls of religion grow.
Another way of putting it is that religion was a proto-science: observing facts and forming a theory to explain those facts, but lacking much ability to verify or falsify those theories and thus relying solely on instinctual preference.
Later, as our ancestors began to establish systems we would recognise as civilisations, religion then began to serve the more casual evolutionary purpose of organisation. It has steadily lost its relevance, like a redundant organ, failing to evolve out of our makeup because while it is no longer being selected for, it is also not being selected against.
And there isn't, so I don't see your point there.
There were about 250 thousand years of 'ancient people' before them. Seven million years if you count the hominids that came before Homo sapiens.
Bodies don't evolve in such a blink of an eye, and neither do ideas.
The Renaissance was intellectually prosperous, yes. It was also under the weight of a few hundred thousand years of religious memes and overactive assumptions of agency. You can't dump something like that so quickly. Not any more than you could evolve out of fur or a tail in similar time.
How do you determine honesty or dishonesty from a translation of a translation of a translation of manuscripts written in ancient languages/dialects by a number of different people? Such subtle cues do not even translate from one modern language to another.
Hell, how do you determine honesty or dishonesty in text even in your first language? If I told you several conflicting stories of my life, would you be able to determine fact from fiction?
I don't want to be rude, but don't tell me you believe that UFOs are alien visitors, too.
It's not about being crazy, just mistaken, or dishonest.
Good points but you failed to answer my last question and i think a brief review of nasa footage makes great reason for a debate as to extraterrestrial intelligent life. So i hope that you are not one of those people that feel that science has left no part of the universe unscathed and that there is no chance that another being in the universe exits. If so i am sorry to tell you but you are sadly mistaken, not even many scientists of real intelligence put the idea of extraterrestrial intelligent existence out of question.
And on the translation thing. That is a weak argument, there are writings from the cave of Qumran i think that are older than most of the original bible manuscripts we had for hundreds of years that have been translated without any problems. The oldest of such writings in whole are Ethiopic in language with some Aramaic fragments and some surviving fragments in old slavonic.
If translation was really THAT big of an issue then there would be much to argue but the fact of the matter is that such piece of work have been translated beautifully.
When it comes to recognizing intent from a writer in your own language it isn't THAT difficult with a bit of study, there you are trying to discredit the information when much of it is a great historical attribution to human history with accuracy.
Also i find it hard to believe that those writers are so insane that EVERY one of them that experienced some sort of angelic encounter could ALL be able to have a dialog with something they didn't actually speak with and didn't exist in some way or another.
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i know, read my edit...hes going batty over meteors...
but read what i said earlier
haha ya, i think people try to think that people from thousands of years ago where absolutely stupid and almost retarded. Yes they lacked some of the technology we have but there is a clear line between superstitious and "ZOMG OMFG I JUST SAW A DUDE WIT DA WINGS!HAXXXXX" I dont think they were THAT confused rofl.
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really? nothing about translation issues? wow. go get yourself more than one version of a bible and see for yourself.
no no no, dont twist ma words palease
I said, no translation issues of REAL significance. of COURSE there are issues with certain words and their meaning but NEVER has the word angel been misconstrued. Some of the main translation issues i personally know of are the ones that try to say jesus was god, that a soul may or may not be a physical or spiritual thing based on greek translation. there are some more but those are off the top of my head.
What i was implying was, yes there are bibles with flaws, but for the most part there is nothing misconstrued as angel when it means meteor, or anything that severe.
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No the logical conclusion would be that a group of people decided to make up some stuff to help them get a point across and also that during the numerous rewritings and translations that certain people who want to see patterns where there are none altered things so that "random meteor" became "angel" and "random sun beam through cloud" became "angel" etc.
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Creep, thanks for those video links, haven't seen them before and haven't had a good laugh in a while!
I've never heard that about the translations..ever. I'm gonna have to disagree and say that you are going off of what someone told you because I've never heard anything of SERIOUS significance as to manipulation with originals. It's not really possible because we have a lot of stuff that would be considered original and primary so people have the ability to check that stuff themselves. This would be a HUGE issue if what you are saying is true.
God Jazz that was from forever ago. Let me reiterate my point for clarification, a christian cant say "maybe Allah is the real god", well they can but it would be doubting their faith, and according to christianity there is only one true god, whether we all worship the same one or not is certainly a mystery to me.
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Sided with Umpa here... and being a writer doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
Ty Equinox. I appreciate the reassurance. Have you ever felt like you were being as civil as possible but it kept geting pushed and then YOU started to feel like an asshole? rofl, thats why im not going to post much in here anymore.
But, anyway i still want an answer. I really want someone with psychology experience, maybe some classes in college or even high school, im open for it.
IF there was no such things as angels why did so many of the bible writers speak of them? The only logical conclusion i could come to on that if there wasn't a god would be that all of them hallucinated in one way or another that they saw those things. But, ok heres an even better one. Moses saw the burning bush, it talked to him, it gave it's name. Hundreds of years later other people were approached by some supernatural force given the same name of a creator. The only way i think these kinds of things can be proven as false, actually, defended as false would be to simply say they are all lies! That is like saying for religious people that when someone dies God needs another angel in heaven, just as much a stretch on either side to me.
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I'll take your word for it though it seems odd that someone would make a joke like after they've felt offended by someone else's statement. You clearly were.
It was a joke, poking fun at you.
Be quiet. The concept of a god is a primitive idea. I thought someone with your massive arsenal of diction would get that.
Be quiet. I posted my belief. It had enough significance to put you on the attack and since then I called for you to drop it, and poked fun at you for your crappy impersonation of a bad British T.V. villain. I don't care if you think people are "too lighthearted" around here either - that's on you. So of course I'm calling you out as a kid and I'll be sarcastic as you try to turn what an ass you were around on me and try to convince yourself that you had something to contribute by telling me that a "concept is above" me and that I need to enhance my vocabulary. Why wouldn't I do that?
(You did it again. You went off on a tangent that no one cares about.) We developed GODS to explain away things that we had no real explanation for back in the day, i.e. Rains and lightning were Zeus. Winds were the breath of this God and fire was the doing of that God,...blah blah blah. But as for Religion we developed that for many reasons, but not because there is a God. That's logical fallacy on your part. Either way I don't really care what you believe - just don't badger me with crappy forum insults like "The concept is above you", etc. and we'll be good.
Rofl, im sorry, other people may be able to critique me but certainly not someone as rude as you. You didn't actually ever post a belief you just mocked mine. And no i wont "be quiet" because it is a forum i can say w/e i please tyvm.
I didnt say people are too light hearted, this specific thread was for discussion, not jokes,being lighthearted is one thing, but posting poor(as in not funny) jokes, no scratch that, even if they are funny they are still not really appropriate and are :spam:.
if you wana do that go post in the other noob threads where they do the same thing.
And dont get pissed off if someone calls you stupid or says something must go over your head if you come in here posting stupid comments. Its your very own fault for leaving the impression of an moron.
No it wasn't going off on a tangent, i was geting back on the broad topic. And sorry to tell you but that explanation is the same garbage everyone says. You have no proof of it. Einstein said the same thing, but just cuz he's Einstein doesn't mean he's right. Nor you or he ever gave reasoning and proof on this to be fact. I think it is all speculation and opinion. And it was never answered why the conclusion of no god was met during the renaissance period either.
Meh, after this post I'm just gonna drop it and let you have the last word, this is going nowhere as we go back and forth, you call me a kid and i call you a noob and repeat.
Note to whoever is reading this, I'm not trying to leave so that i seem like the "better" person, i hate when people do that, im just dropping it because it is going nowhere and ARGUING about this over the computer takes too long, I'd rather hear something truly noteworthy on this thread because ( TO THE MODS) this entire argument should be deleted for being pretty much off topic rofl.
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Oh, i just thought of a question I've been meaning to ask. Not trying to make a point or anything like that but ya...I know someone can put up a Einstein quote on how this came about but that doesn't do it for me one bit.
IF there truly was no god, what would lead people to believe in a god in the first place? Why do we have all these religions and such if the logical explanation for it all is to not believe in a god because we have no proof? If there was never a god there would certainly be no proof for them. It's like, people that do have that "faith" do so because they feel that waayyy back in the day, people DID see things like angels, demons, and the red sea splitting apart. And maybe some giant ass angel/human babies courtesy of The Book Of Enoch (not in the bible). But if non of this stuff actually HAPPENED way back in the day then what did they believe in? There was no, ancient people before them, they WERE the ancient people.
If evolution was correct at first it may seem plausable that a cave man would see things in the sky and be like " CRUG SAY IT BE GOD!" but that doesn't make sense when you really think about it. If their brains were evolving and if there was no god then it would be an illogical concept that would be untrue and have no purpose in evolution, so if they EVOLVED then why did they come up with this "primitive concept"?
And then there's this question. People were smart during the Renaissance, when they all decided the catholic church SUCKED why didn't they do away with the whole concept. If it's logical for humans to believe religion to be false why didn't they logically think it out then and get rid of it? If humans were evolving then also our concepts would, but apparently we have ALWAYS had the same concepts of religion.
Lets go with the bible for a sec, why would they lie about say....seeing an angel or something. I dont think that would happen, all those writings obviously seem heart felt and honest. Why was there a period of sooo many people writing about all these incredible sittings? Why wouldn't it ALWAYS happen if it was all just mental insanity? I dont think that many people could be crazy, it seems improbable.
So ya, basically the main question has been stated, why did we develop religion if there is nothing there?
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way true! it's not lol....maybe it could be considered......somehow supporting necro? lol
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But to say stop necroing is necroing..why i didn't say anything about it. Nothing can be done really until the thread is closed.
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Well put...I jsut find it a bit pointless to worry our tiny little minds with our own logic where God is concerned. If he is omnipotent and all that jazz then there is obviously some other forces at work that we dont factor in.
It's kinda like a math problem where you are using the wrong equation to figure out the problem. We are using our human logic equations to try and comprehend when there could be a different one that is beyond our understanding.
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Well, I always thought of God as someone with serious video game editing skillz....i wont use halo editor as an example cuz wow would prolly be more appropriate. If you have seen the videos of the zones where the creators have been working then you may follow where I'm going.
I dont think he could make a stone so great that he couldnt lift it because he has the ultimate editing powers, he can edit his str to do whatever he wants He/she/it can DO whatever it wants. Theoretically since the name for the the hebrew god ( the common christian god) means "he who causes to be" then he could turn into a giant Kerby if he wanted to...lol, that would be funny. But anyways ya. Its like video game creator in my mind (wow im a nerd :P), able to create anything and even if he chooses to interact with these creations then he can be anything he desires.
So, that was a look inside my head so im not sure how clear it was lol.:thumbsup:
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I knew it was something like that.
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go you! nah, i can only think of a FEW atheists here, or possible ones at least that are actually rude.
Most are pleasant, me n jazz may argue a bit but its all in fun,i know Equinox and magistrate seem to be neutral and on the fence about it(at least im pretty sure i've seen Equinox take the standpoint of both sides before). Just ignore the really narrow minded ones that have hilarious superiority complexes and think all religious people are idiotic because of faith, you cant change them so why bother presenting a point to deaf ears and blind eyes. You can tell who is actually here to converse and not argue. Dont get trapped by the ones that will argue you to death because you might find yourself flamming back roflcopter. :thumbsup:
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Good points but you failed to answer my last question and i think a brief review of nasa footage makes great reason for a debate as to extraterrestrial intelligent life. So i hope that you are not one of those people that feel that science has left no part of the universe unscathed and that there is no chance that another being in the universe exits. If so i am sorry to tell you but you are sadly mistaken, not even many scientists of real intelligence put the idea of extraterrestrial intelligent existence out of question.
And on the translation thing. That is a weak argument, there are writings from the cave of Qumran i think that are older than most of the original bible manuscripts we had for hundreds of years that have been translated without any problems. The oldest of such writings in whole are Ethiopic in language with some Aramaic fragments and some surviving fragments in old slavonic.
If translation was really THAT big of an issue then there would be much to argue but the fact of the matter is that such piece of work have been translated beautifully.
When it comes to recognizing intent from a writer in your own language it isn't THAT difficult with a bit of study, there you are trying to discredit the information when much of it is a great historical attribution to human history with accuracy.
Also i find it hard to believe that those writers are so insane that EVERY one of them that experienced some sort of angelic encounter could ALL be able to have a dialog with something they didn't actually speak with and didn't exist in some way or another.
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haha ya, i think people try to think that people from thousands of years ago where absolutely stupid and almost retarded. Yes they lacked some of the technology we have but there is a clear line between superstitious and "ZOMG OMFG I JUST SAW A DUDE WIT DA WINGS!HAXXXXX" I dont think they were THAT confused rofl.
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no no no, dont twist ma words palease
I said, no translation issues of REAL significance. of COURSE there are issues with certain words and their meaning but NEVER has the word angel been misconstrued. Some of the main translation issues i personally know of are the ones that try to say jesus was god, that a soul may or may not be a physical or spiritual thing based on greek translation. there are some more but those are off the top of my head.
What i was implying was, yes there are bibles with flaws, but for the most part there is nothing misconstrued as angel when it means meteor, or anything that severe.
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I've never heard that about the translations..ever. I'm gonna have to disagree and say that you are going off of what someone told you because I've never heard anything of SERIOUS significance as to manipulation with originals. It's not really possible because we have a lot of stuff that would be considered original and primary so people have the ability to check that stuff themselves. This would be a HUGE issue if what you are saying is true.
God Jazz that was from forever ago. Let me reiterate my point for clarification, a christian cant say "maybe Allah is the real god", well they can but it would be doubting their faith, and according to christianity there is only one true god, whether we all worship the same one or not is certainly a mystery to me.
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Ty Equinox. I appreciate the reassurance. Have you ever felt like you were being as civil as possible but it kept geting pushed and then YOU started to feel like an asshole? rofl, thats why im not going to post much in here anymore.
But, anyway i still want an answer. I really want someone with psychology experience, maybe some classes in college or even high school, im open for it.
IF there was no such things as angels why did so many of the bible writers speak of them? The only logical conclusion i could come to on that if there wasn't a god would be that all of them hallucinated in one way or another that they saw those things. But, ok heres an even better one. Moses saw the burning bush, it talked to him, it gave it's name. Hundreds of years later other people were approached by some supernatural force given the same name of a creator. The only way i think these kinds of things can be proven as false, actually, defended as false would be to simply say they are all lies! That is like saying for religious people that when someone dies God needs another angel in heaven, just as much a stretch on either side to me.
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Rofl, im sorry, other people may be able to critique me but certainly not someone as rude as you. You didn't actually ever post a belief you just mocked mine. And no i wont "be quiet" because it is a forum i can say w/e i please tyvm.
I didnt say people are too light hearted, this specific thread was for discussion, not jokes,being lighthearted is one thing, but posting poor(as in not funny) jokes, no scratch that, even if they are funny they are still not really appropriate and are :spam:.
if you wana do that go post in the other noob threads where they do the same thing.
And dont get pissed off if someone calls you stupid or says something must go over your head if you come in here posting stupid comments. Its your very own fault for leaving the impression of an moron.
No it wasn't going off on a tangent, i was geting back on the broad topic. And sorry to tell you but that explanation is the same garbage everyone says. You have no proof of it. Einstein said the same thing, but just cuz he's Einstein doesn't mean he's right. Nor you or he ever gave reasoning and proof on this to be fact. I think it is all speculation and opinion. And it was never answered why the conclusion of no god was met during the renaissance period either.
Meh, after this post I'm just gonna drop it and let you have the last word, this is going nowhere as we go back and forth, you call me a kid and i call you a noob and repeat.
Note to whoever is reading this, I'm not trying to leave so that i seem like the "better" person, i hate when people do that, im just dropping it because it is going nowhere and ARGUING about this over the computer takes too long, I'd rather hear something truly noteworthy on this thread because ( TO THE MODS) this entire argument should be deleted for being pretty much off topic rofl.
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-Winged
IF there truly was no god, what would lead people to believe in a god in the first place? Why do we have all these religions and such if the logical explanation for it all is to not believe in a god because we have no proof? If there was never a god there would certainly be no proof for them. It's like, people that do have that "faith" do so because they feel that waayyy back in the day, people DID see things like angels, demons, and the red sea splitting apart. And maybe some giant ass angel/human babies courtesy of The Book Of Enoch (not in the bible). But if non of this stuff actually HAPPENED way back in the day then what did they believe in? There was no, ancient people before them, they WERE the ancient people.
If evolution was correct at first it may seem plausable that a cave man would see things in the sky and be like " CRUG SAY IT BE GOD!" but that doesn't make sense when you really think about it. If their brains were evolving and if there was no god then it would be an illogical concept that would be untrue and have no purpose in evolution, so if they EVOLVED then why did they come up with this "primitive concept"?
And then there's this question. People were smart during the Renaissance, when they all decided the catholic church SUCKED why didn't they do away with the whole concept. If it's logical for humans to believe religion to be false why didn't they logically think it out then and get rid of it? If humans were evolving then also our concepts would, but apparently we have ALWAYS had the same concepts of religion.
Lets go with the bible for a sec, why would they lie about say....seeing an angel or something. I dont think that would happen, all those writings obviously seem heart felt and honest. Why was there a period of sooo many people writing about all these incredible sittings? Why wouldn't it ALWAYS happen if it was all just mental insanity? I dont think that many people could be crazy, it seems improbable.
So ya, basically the main question has been stated, why did we develop religion if there is nothing there?
-Equinox
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-Winged