Duels and hostility is not what this topic is about. I could care less if they were added or not.
We have already discussed that negativity is an invalid argument because it's not the game that creates it or encourages it. It is the players that do. Furthermore negativity is subject to opinion which makes it even more invalid. The fact that it is to confusing is also an invalid argument.
You keep bringing up Diablo 2 when no one mentioned it. I never compared Diablo 3 PvP to Diablo 2 PvP because they are not the same exapecialy no without hostility. I would know I have played both of them.
Diablo 3 is already set up to be a great eSports game all it need is rankings and custom areans and maybe a spectator mode. Which all of this can be done and more a lot easier than creating a new expansion (which they are going to do anyways).
It is not support when they can easily implement such features but won't. As in Diablo 2 they weren't capable of doing so.
They have already stated that the game is finished, they finished weeks ago. All they are doing is server stress test which help the game as a whole. They have even stated that the only thing they are going to be working on in next few months is the PvP. We all know that they already gotten soo far since last Blizzcon. It is not like they are going to stop working on the PvP when it comes out either.
Sooner or later they will implement such features to make it an eSports anyway. They don't have to support it, the community will make it a great eSports without Blizzard.
As a side note stop acting high and mighty by accusing everyone that disagrees with you as wrong or saying they avoided you question. The only fact there is, is that everything here is people's opinions and last time I checked opinion can't be right or wrong they can only agree or disagree.
I only get angry when people accuse me of not reading the material and call me ignorant even if they don't outright say it.
Fist let me reword what I said about hostility. It would not be hostility if it was consented between players it would be duels like you have in WoW.
For the last time I know what Blizzard has said and where they stand. I am telling you and Blizzard it would not be confusing. They give us our features such as rankings and privite arenas and just say "we don't support eSports. The players will make it one on their own.
As for why they just don't do it? I think they are going to, it seems pretty inevitable to me.
Shut up with the "its to confusing" already. The only one that is confused is you. Blizzard can easily implement such PvP features without supporting eSports end point.
Second nobody said anything about hostility you are just giving us garbage to distract us.
Blizzard doesn't need to run "two games" all the have to do is give us our PvP features and never touch the PvP again. We will handle EVERYTHING else.
You are just an angry person that doesn't want to share.
There is no right answer it is all opinionated. Then they give you their opinions and you ignore them or treat them like children/idiots and say "your wrong" or "avoided my question". Now your saying you don't accept the answer unless it is your answer. My answer to your question is no I don't think competitiveness creates negativity or enables it. You will find the same "negativity" throughout the whole game, because it is in the players not the game. You are a very competitive person evident by you posting so rigorously on this forum and others about your anti-competitiveness. Furthermore, I think you are just trolling to distract everyone about what this forum is supposed to be about.
If Blizzard really didn't want competitive PvP then they shouldn't have put it in at all. No matter how restricted it is, people will want more, these forums for example. The PvE will have the same amount of "negativity" as the PvP, because it is the person who is negative. People are answering your questions but I guess you don't want to read them.
Well you avoided my question too, wich is, do you think that people are going to want more PvP features when it comes out? Whether or not the players are casual players or competitive, the will want more. Second question, (more of a statement), you want to control how you play the game and so does everyone else. That's why I'm posting and why you are posting and everyone on the middle.
This is obviously my opion so you don't have to comment on it. Also when the PvP come out the main focus of people is going to be interested in PvP. People are not going to have it for at least 8 months (wich is two months after the predicted inferno completion) if not longer. Whether or not people are tired of the PvE content they will flock to the PvP when it comes out because it is fresh and new. I also assume that the majority of the players to on to the forums and decide what side the are on. So the "majority" of players will be blindly asking for PvP features and visa versa with the "minority". Nobody can predict what millions of people are going to want.
Also when people can play and COMMUNICATE with each other there will always be negative environments. The only way to avoid that would be to play by yourself or Blizzard takes out the communication between players, wich they can't. Even if your on the same side it is still player versus player unless the game has no challenge at all. In hardcore you are not going to run with someone that could get you killed. And seeing that you can't die in the arena the PvE will probably breed way more negative environments than PvP, even more so since the "majority" playes PvE.
When the PvP comes out the the communities focus is going to turn towards it. It will stay that way till they release more PvE content. Then it will slowly go back to PvP. You don't think all those players will not want more PvP features whether they are casual or not? Of corse they will everyone will want some sort of control about how the play the game. And restricting such a major thing as PvP will only make the community mad.
Thank you d0c, that is probably the most solid argument I have ever heard.
I'm gone for a couple of days and the thread goes out of control lol.
I want competitive PvP, because being competitive is fun to me. I don't think competitive PvP will affect the rest of the game at all. Thoes that want casual can still treat it as such.
Let's take a recap of the thread.
It started off as who thinks Diablo 3 should be an eSports? How it would effect it or nor. What exactly each side wanted. Then how it can or can't be, to why it should and why it shouldn't be an eSports. Then it broke even further down to casual verses competitive. Then whether or not competitive PvP was fun at all. All the way down ro the definition of fun. Then everything I between such as what features are competitive or not like multiple arena modes, rankings. Also the general sense of majorities versus minorities, and of corse the repeated statements of who's side Blizzard is on. So what have we all learned? That it is PvE'ers versus the PvP'ers and how they don't want PvP affecting PvE. Check. Casual versus competitive, they don't care if there is competitive features as long as it it still casual. Check. It won't be an eSports if there isn't a large fan base and funding. Check. Did I miss anything?
It looked like it would be a great eSports to me all the have to do is give us our rankings and we can take the rest from there. Also I think Blizzards stance on that is also ridiculous. Why because it would cause people to become elitists or bullies? If your to sensitive to get emotionally hurt by someone in a game then you shouldn't be playing them. They are going to be their anyway. When I was a child my mom would tell me to ignore what my brothers said. It is not like, because it is competitive that you have to be competitive. You can treat it as casual as you want it and ingnore the elitist. For children they have a thing called language filter. As long as people can communicate with each other there will be bullies/elitist and straight up assholes.
As for it not being designed to be an eSports, you have no idea. This is where I come in and other who have played the PvP tell you about it. Go read my other forum "My PvP exsperiance" it tell you all about it. A whole lot of games started out not being designed for eSports but turned out to be great ones WoW and SC included. Don't come in here tell me it won't be a good eSports because it is not designed to be. The only thing from keeping it from being a great eSports is Blizzard.
Yep... and that's where I disagree and I am not going to change my mind no matter what you our Blizzaed says. The only thing that would change my mind is if Blizzard tries their best to make it an eSports and it fails. If your so convinced that it would be a bad eSports then all they have to do is try.
You know what I meant. I was saying that to add certain PvP features would take less time and money to do than two whole expansions and content updates. They game is already so close I being a great eSpors game. I would know I allready played the PvP. That is all I am telling you and the fact that it could only make the game better.
There we go with the same argument again. I know what Blizzard said and I know what the majority wants. I have been listening for example I do believe with inferno and the expansions could keep the game running a long time. You cannot tell me though that doing all that would be easier to do than add some competitive PvP features, that would have the same affect and for less. I also agree with Blizzard's idea for hostility (even though i wouldnt care if hey added it). Just like you have agreed to having different arena modes.
No we want people to come here and disscus what the topic is about. Instead of arguing every step of the way. You don wan to be productive, you don't wan to listen and your obviously lying to yourself. You keep saying "you don't care" but you obviously do because you keep posting. We have heard your argument and the thing is WE DON'T AGREE. Get over yourself dude. You are the One being the elitist you are the being the bully. It has to be your way and not anyone else's. THIS ENTIRE TIME I HAVE BEEN TELLING THAT WE CAN BOTH GT WHAT WE WANT. You just don't believe me becaus what you acctuly want is for us not to get what we want.
Wow strong words. You are over stating and twisting what I am saying. I basically just want competitive PvP/eSports and I have listed reasons how and why it should be. It is not like PvE'ers don't have a right to post on PvP forums what they don't have the right to do is come in and harass the PvP forums. They don't give anyone a chance to talk about it they immediately start arguing and complaining. Without even considering it or trying to be open-minded about it. Even after you had stated your argument you keep going on about it and now it is pointless and flawed.
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We have already discussed that negativity is an invalid argument because it's not the game that creates it or encourages it. It is the players that do. Furthermore negativity is subject to opinion which makes it even more invalid. The fact that it is to confusing is also an invalid argument.
You keep bringing up Diablo 2 when no one mentioned it. I never compared Diablo 3 PvP to Diablo 2 PvP because they are not the same exapecialy no without hostility. I would know I have played both of them.
Diablo 3 is already set up to be a great eSports game all it need is rankings and custom areans and maybe a spectator mode. Which all of this can be done and more a lot easier than creating a new expansion (which they are going to do anyways).
It is not support when they can easily implement such features but won't. As in Diablo 2 they weren't capable of doing so.
They have already stated that the game is finished, they finished weeks ago. All they are doing is server stress test which help the game as a whole. They have even stated that the only thing they are going to be working on in next few months is the PvP. We all know that they already gotten soo far since last Blizzcon. It is not like they are going to stop working on the PvP when it comes out either.
Sooner or later they will implement such features to make it an eSports anyway. They don't have to support it, the community will make it a great eSports without Blizzard.
As a side note stop acting high and mighty by accusing everyone that disagrees with you as wrong or saying they avoided you question. The only fact there is, is that everything here is people's opinions and last time I checked opinion can't be right or wrong they can only agree or disagree.
Fist let me reword what I said about hostility. It would not be hostility if it was consented between players it would be duels like you have in WoW.
For the last time I know what Blizzard has said and where they stand. I am telling you and Blizzard it would not be confusing. They give us our features such as rankings and privite arenas and just say "we don't support eSports. The players will make it one on their own.
As for why they just don't do it? I think they are going to, it seems pretty inevitable to me.
Second nobody said anything about hostility you are just giving us garbage to distract us.
Blizzard doesn't need to run "two games" all the have to do is give us our PvP features and never touch the PvP again. We will handle EVERYTHING else.
You are just an angry person that doesn't want to share.
If Blizzard really didn't want competitive PvP then they shouldn't have put it in at all. No matter how restricted it is, people will want more, these forums for example. The PvE will have the same amount of "negativity" as the PvP, because it is the person who is negative. People are answering your questions but I guess you don't want to read them.
This is obviously my opion so you don't have to comment on it. Also when the PvP come out the main focus of people is going to be interested in PvP. People are not going to have it for at least 8 months (wich is two months after the predicted inferno completion) if not longer. Whether or not people are tired of the PvE content they will flock to the PvP when it comes out because it is fresh and new. I also assume that the majority of the players to on to the forums and decide what side the are on. So the "majority" of players will be blindly asking for PvP features and visa versa with the "minority". Nobody can predict what millions of people are going to want.
Also when people can play and COMMUNICATE with each other there will always be negative environments. The only way to avoid that would be to play by yourself or Blizzard takes out the communication between players, wich they can't. Even if your on the same side it is still player versus player unless the game has no challenge at all. In hardcore you are not going to run with someone that could get you killed. And seeing that you can't die in the arena the PvE will probably breed way more negative environments than PvP, even more so since the "majority" playes PvE.
I'm gone for a couple of days and the thread goes out of control lol.
I want competitive PvP, because being competitive is fun to me. I don't think competitive PvP will affect the rest of the game at all. Thoes that want casual can still treat it as such.
Let's take a recap of the thread.
It started off as who thinks Diablo 3 should be an eSports? How it would effect it or nor. What exactly each side wanted. Then how it can or can't be, to why it should and why it shouldn't be an eSports. Then it broke even further down to casual verses competitive. Then whether or not competitive PvP was fun at all. All the way down ro the definition of fun. Then everything I between such as what features are competitive or not like multiple arena modes, rankings. Also the general sense of majorities versus minorities, and of corse the repeated statements of who's side Blizzard is on. So what have we all learned? That it is PvE'ers versus the PvP'ers and how they don't want PvP affecting PvE. Check. Casual versus competitive, they don't care if there is competitive features as long as it it still casual. Check. It won't be an eSports if there isn't a large fan base and funding. Check. Did I miss anything?
As for it not being designed to be an eSports, you have no idea. This is where I come in and other who have played the PvP tell you about it. Go read my other forum "My PvP exsperiance" it tell you all about it. A whole lot of games started out not being designed for eSports but turned out to be great ones WoW and SC included. Don't come in here tell me it won't be a good eSports because it is not designed to be. The only thing from keeping it from being a great eSports is Blizzard.