It does in a way, but I posted it more to show how jaded and double sided the Diablo community is. You guys sit there in this very thread and bitch and moan how Diablo is a PvM game first, and pretty much saying, if you are playing to PvP you are playing wrong and you should find a new game. Even the developers have said stupid shit like that, this is coming from another game developer and he is pretty much saying, hey the game is for the customer..they buy it...they play it...we have no authority to tell them how to play, they make their own rules and we should recognize that and not tie their hands because I don't feel that is how the game should be played.
Of course...I doubt many here will actually comprehend the statement and continue to be PvM white knights, it is ok...cause you are the same people who will quit within a year and then the real community can take over just like in D2.
Your post is full of irony. You don't want to be told how to play the game, yet you want a "feature" that will give you the ability to dictate the way other people play their game. I guess if you guys would have eventually figured out that Baal Run =/= PVP, this wouldn't have been an issue...
Now, we're "stuck" with a system that is just like any other game:
Storymode = PVM
Arena = PVP
Its really no different from a FPS game, where I don't get camped by other people while I'm playing the campaign. Then you want me to sympathize with you because its better for the "real community"? Funny that someone who joined two days ago spouts about something like being part of the "real community". I wonder, what does that make people like me?
Just to be clear, I don't hate PVP. I'm looking forward to Arena, but at least I won't have to worry about PVP when I'm not interested.
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As far as the RMAH issue goes, I can't believe people are still crying about that. Please, tell me all about those D2 stores that didn't exist, or the bot programs that people used to get all those items from. D2 was ruled by money and hacks. Hacks has to be taken care of on the developer's side, but unless items become soulbound the second they are picked up, items will always sell for money. No more or less than they will be via RMAH, except that Blizzard doesn't steal people's accounts, and they can be certain to actually get what they payed for.
Just to be clear here, No I am not looking for a feature to ruin peoples experience. I have stated many times that I liked hostility feature, however I am not blind and see that it had some flaws and will not be in Diablo 3 for legit reasons. The idea I purposed solved the issues with hostility to make it viable for Diablo 3.
What I was asking for is that Blizzard stop putting their nose in the PvP section because they obviously don't know how to handle it, and give us the basic options we had in Diablo 2 minus the hostility part, let us customize the arena with 1v7, ffa, hot swappable teams after a match, ect. Basic shit that should be a given but yet is not. And most of all, a way to duel mid game if wanted, at least give us a WP to an arena in game so I don't have to make 5 games just to play how I want, that is bad design.
Ha when and who did I insult? Thus far I have been as calm as a soothing river. I mention one thing about how I enjoy PvP and that there are multiple ways to play Diablo and there is no "right" way and you guys blow blood vessels and shit yourselves. Seriously, you think you guys are calm? Haha. See you in game, well see how calm you are.
Also I want to take you up on that offer of going back on D2 and joining public games. I want you to join those PvM games and those trade games, I want you join say 100 and I want you to ask what they are PvMing for, is it to PvP? Or is it to kill monsters and kill time? Do the same with trade games, see if they are trading for PvP gear, or are they trading to make the game easier? I would LOVE it if you did that and provided proof of such, if you can actually do that and get a result that shows that PvM is superior especially at this time zone then you win buddy.
Ill just leave this here..."We make that as a joke. We'll say, ‘You're a bad designer if you tell your customer that you're playing the game wrong.' It's actually the customer's game. We should do our best to enable that experience. If someone is playing the game and they're not having a good time and it's because they're not playing it right, that's our fault."
- Senior Producer Sean Reardon
It's funny because this quote supports the new system over the old one, XFD
It does in a way, but I posted it more to show how jaded and double sided the Diablo community is. You guys sit there in this very thread and bitch and moan how Diablo is a PvM game first, and pretty much saying, if you are playing to PvP you are playing wrong and you should find a new game. Even the developers have said stupid shit like that, this is coming from another game developer and he is pretty much saying, hey the game is for the customer..they buy it...they play it...we have no authority to tell them how to play, they make their own rules and we should recognize that and not tie their hands because I don't feel that is how the game should be played.
Of course...I doubt many here will actually comprehend the statement and continue to be PvM white knights, it is ok...cause you are the same people who will quit within a year and then the real community can take over just like in D2.
Ill just leave this here..."We make that as a joke. We'll say, ‘You're a bad designer if you tell your customer that you're playing the game wrong.' It's actually the customer's game. We should do our best to enable that experience. If someone is playing the game and they're not having a good time and it's because they're not playing it right, that's our fault."
- Senior Producer Sean Reardon
He makes a valid point, the game is so auto tuned and bubble wrapped up that it is impossible to not say it was created for people who were bullied or grieved. What other reason to remove such a simple mechanic of damage from breakable objects. Like someone is actually going to die to those...and someone is actually going to spend all game hitting them perfectly on you haha. Either way, regardless of what they do to try and protect the player, there will be griefing, if you think otherwise...you are obviously new to the Diablo community haha.
Guess it won't be a game for you eh? Go find a game that gives you more thrill and let those of us that actually appreciate and understand Blizzard's motives enjoy the game. I mean, all you've been able to post is complaints...you cannot possibly actually want to play the game in it's current state...so don't.
Complaints? Hardly, ill enjoy the PvM till I beat it within first week, then ill move onto PvP full time once it gets released. I have posted nothing but suggestions and information to not so knowledgeable posters who think they know about Diablo, but clearly by their post do not know anything at all. I forgot, it is not acceptable to post in a PvP section about Diablo, even worse to post suggestions to make the PvP more unique and better all around..silly me!
Just curious, why do you even insist on always posting in this section when you clearly hate PvP, and haven't done PvP in apparently ages, and also seem to do nothing but say same old few paragraphs. You do nothing here but bitch about how Diablo is PvM based and that resources are better spent on your part of the game haha. You talk about business buddy, guess what...there are two sides to every coin. If you neglect one side, you only have half value, business is about selling a product, even if that means to a crowd that you don't necessarily agree with. I don't know what business you are running where you can shun your customers and still be profitable, but I guess keep it up friend.
Forgot this game is meant for crybabies now, just like they did with breakable objects they can`t hurt you anymore because blizz thought people will abuse it.. wait what? i think was really funny that way having small pranks with friends now its just plain booooring !!!!
lol
sad boy is sad.
Thats crysto37 for you, what did you expect
OT: Dead horse number 5689
He makes a valid point, the game is so auto tuned and bubble wrapped up that it is impossible to not say it was created for people who were bullied or grieved. What other reason to remove such a simple mechanic of damage from breakable objects. Like someone is actually going to die to those...and someone is actually going to spend all game hitting them perfectly on you haha. Either way, regardless of what they do to try and protect the player, there will be griefing, if you think otherwise...you are obviously new to the Diablo community haha.
Actually, you can't. You obviously have no idea how the Diablo 3 engine works at all. There are no passworded games...only public / private games. There is no game list either, so no means for you to have a hostile game and let people know either. Hostility is a bad system in general as it offers nearly no positive benefit to the community while offering a ton of negatives. I've explained why, and you have yet to give a counter argument. Instead you use insults...Blizzard should definitely listen to you...right?
This makes sense....why would they ever put a search function in Bnet 2.0...I mean it is what 2012? Also...yea I guess world PvP is not popular at all with ANYONE...ever play a MMO? Contrary to popular belief, there are many many different styles of players that play Diablo, some for PvM, some for MF, some for trade, and some for PvP. Now you can sit there on your throne and say "BAH WELL JAY WILSON SAYS NO". That is fine, doesn't mean you get to act like a dick and call PvP'ers trolls or try and act like you are superior because the developer obviously got ganked and assaulted in Diablo much like many others apparently.
you guys really need to get over no hostility, its not in get used to it. are you guys sad because you can't roll around with your virtual penis out and kill people who play less then you? the arena is there for you to do that. yes it will take a bit to release, but just deal with it.
Are you sad and angry because someone dick slapped you with their virtual penis cause you couldn't handle defending yourself? What kind of a comment is that haha. The arena is there that is correct. We are dealing with it obviously, so you are saying like the other guy that you shouldn't comment about stuff you wish was in the game. I get it....so on a forum about the game..don't comment about features you wish were in it...makes sense.
Yep this game will be ultra boring but you don`t know yet
Haha. Itll be great for a few months. But once you hit end game and can beat inferno, there is nothing left to do. Remake your character...a few people would want to do this. PvP...maybe but odds are it won't be out by then. Trade...well that is all in the auction house now so sure that's fun for a bit. MF...yea entertaining for a bit but like everything else..it gets old.
Have you EVER played D2? You could 'beat' the whole game in mere hours. It was all about the farming, and that's going to be the same thing with D3.
It was all about the farming for you...I farmed and PvP'd untill about 2006. This is from playing since day 1 D2 buddy. So I got tired of farming for gear and PvP'd the rest of the time on the game. You think Diablo 3 is going to interesting enough to play 10 years later?I can easily start D2 up right now, make a character and buy some gear, then I can easily PvP with it for years without it getting boring. Second I start to farm gear..ill be bored within a few days. Different styles play the game, you guys need to realize that. Not everyone plays Diablo to farm and kill the same monster 1000000x.
Yep this game will be ultra boring but you don`t know yet
Haha. Itll be great for a few months. But once you hit end game and can beat inferno, there is nothing left to do. Remake your character...a few people would want to do this. PvP...maybe but odds are it won't be out by then. Trade...well that is all in the auction house now so sure that's fun for a bit. MF...yea entertaining for a bit but like everything else..it gets old.
Don't see the OP as crying at all. He displayed his opinion of how he played Diablo. Just like many of us have, where world PvP and PvP in general were the main aspects for end game. Just because he didn't MF or have issues killing monsters like a bunch of the PvM crowd doesn't make him a troll or wrong.
If you wanna generalize him as a troll, you generalize majority of PvP players as trolls, which is to say just as easy for me to generalize PvM players as carebears. Am I right? Probably not.
You do realize that many of us that are posting against the PvP complaints actually have interest in the PvP system of Diablo 3 right? So 'carebear' doesn't fit the majority of us at all...sorry.
As for why people keep posting AGAINST these kind of threads is because the requests are unreasonable. The game is nearly released, asking for these kind of radical changes to the engine at this point is completely unrealistic. The best option for someone that feels this way about the game...is to not buy it.
I've explained in other threads as to why these features do not work, but I'll re-post it here...
Hostility doesn't work with the current design of Diablo 3. It was mostly used for griefing in Diablo 2 and segmented the community. In addition, due to the way Diablo 3 balances a game based on the number of players, you actually need most if not all of the players to effectively progress. This means that two people dueling mid-public game would essentially force the other two people to quit in order to keep playing...segmenting the community again. Hostility just doesn't work with the way Diablo 3 is designed.
The RMAH is actually a benefit to the community of Diablo 3. Many people complain about it allowing people to buy power, but people bought power all the time in Diablo 2. All it took was 3rd party websites setting up semi-automated shops using bots. I cannot even count the number of times I had people ask me to wait a minute while they bought gear for their newly leveled character. At least Blizzard will make a profit off of this trading in Diablo 3, allowing for more direct support for the game (PvM content, PvP content, Tech support, GM's, etc). I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing.
So, there you have it... both of the OP's complaints have been beaten to death, but keep getting brought up. This is why you see people assume troll and treat as such so often. I, myself still prefer to just point out WHY things were designed the way they were based on the information we have access to. In the end though, if people don't like the game so much that they are complaining it's a failure...they just shouldn't buy it. Buying a game when you say you hate it really seems silly, at least to me.
So him asking for world PvP is unreasonable? So what you are saying is, lie down and shut up? So since we are close to launch, it is absolutely pointless to give ones opinion on how they want the game to be, or features they wish were in it. I see how it is...just drink the kool-aid and everything will be all right.
Hostility doesn't work with the current design of Diablo 3. It was mostly used for griefing in Diablo 2 and segmented the community. In addition, due to the way Diablo 3 balances a game based on the number of players, you actually need most if not all of the players to effectively progress. This means that two people dueling mid-public game would essentially force the other two people to quit in order to keep playing...segmenting the community again. Hostility just doesn't work with the way Diablo 3 is designed.
You got this information from Blizzard directly, which is fine. However I really don't see the game being that difficult. It is a game meant to be soloable, you are essentially a god killing horde of demons. I don't see them ramping the difficulty up so much to where it is impossible for players to kill stuff with 2 fighting and 2 in town. So by your theory here, I can easily go to town with my friend and essentially your co-op game is totally ruined because you need all 4 to even proceed? They wouldn't build the game that way, so hostility, or dueling mid game should have little to no effect on the co-op or it is poorly designed.
The RMAH is actually a benefit to the community of Diablo 3. Many people complain about it allowing people to buy power, but people bought power all the time in Diablo 2. All it took was 3rd party websites setting up semi-automated shops using bots. I cannot even count the number of times I had people ask me to wait a minute while they bought gear for their newly leveled character. At least Blizzard will make a profit off of this trading in Diablo 3, allowing for more direct support for the game (PvM content, PvP content, Tech support, GM's, etc). I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing
Nothing wrong with the RMAH, his point is that it makes it less enticing to farm end game content when you can simply and easily buy it. Yes it existed in Diablo 2, however there were still plenty of people who didn't use it because it didn't seem safe. Now it is a safe avenue. With that ability, why would I waste 24 hours of my life farming for end game gear, when I can spend that 24 hours working and spend a little cash to make my life easier? That is going to kill end game farming for me, so why couldn't it for others? Because it doesn't for you it is automatically great for the community?
Don't see the OP as crying at all. He displayed his opinion of how he played Diablo. Just like many of us have, where world PvP and PvP in general were the main aspects for end game. Just because he didn't MF or have issues killing monsters like a bunch of the PvM crowd doesn't make him a troll or wrong.
If you wanna generalize him as a troll, you generalize majority of PvP players as trolls, which is to say just as easy for me to generalize PvM players as carebears. Am I right? Probably not.
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What I was asking for is that Blizzard stop putting their nose in the PvP section because they obviously don't know how to handle it, and give us the basic options we had in Diablo 2 minus the hostility part, let us customize the arena with 1v7, ffa, hot swappable teams after a match, ect. Basic shit that should be a given but yet is not. And most of all, a way to duel mid game if wanted, at least give us a WP to an arena in game so I don't have to make 5 games just to play how I want, that is bad design.
Also I want to take you up on that offer of going back on D2 and joining public games. I want you to join those PvM games and those trade games, I want you join say 100 and I want you to ask what they are PvMing for, is it to PvP? Or is it to kill monsters and kill time? Do the same with trade games, see if they are trading for PvP gear, or are they trading to make the game easier? I would LOVE it if you did that and provided proof of such, if you can actually do that and get a result that shows that PvM is superior especially at this time zone then you win buddy.
Of course...I doubt many here will actually comprehend the statement and continue to be PvM white knights, it is ok...cause you are the same people who will quit within a year and then the real community can take over just like in D2.
- Senior Producer Sean Reardon
Just curious, why do you even insist on always posting in this section when you clearly hate PvP, and haven't done PvP in apparently ages, and also seem to do nothing but say same old few paragraphs. You do nothing here but bitch about how Diablo is PvM based and that resources are better spent on your part of the game haha. You talk about business buddy, guess what...there are two sides to every coin. If you neglect one side, you only have half value, business is about selling a product, even if that means to a crowd that you don't necessarily agree with. I don't know what business you are running where you can shun your customers and still be profitable, but I guess keep it up friend.
This makes sense....why would they ever put a search function in Bnet 2.0...I mean it is what 2012? Also...yea I guess world PvP is not popular at all with ANYONE...ever play a MMO? Contrary to popular belief, there are many many different styles of players that play Diablo, some for PvM, some for MF, some for trade, and some for PvP. Now you can sit there on your throne and say "BAH WELL JAY WILSON SAYS NO". That is fine, doesn't mean you get to act like a dick and call PvP'ers trolls or try and act like you are superior because the developer obviously got ganked and assaulted in Diablo much like many others apparently.
You got this information from Blizzard directly, which is fine. However I really don't see the game being that difficult. It is a game meant to be soloable, you are essentially a god killing horde of demons. I don't see them ramping the difficulty up so much to where it is impossible for players to kill stuff with 2 fighting and 2 in town. So by your theory here, I can easily go to town with my friend and essentially your co-op game is totally ruined because you need all 4 to even proceed? They wouldn't build the game that way, so hostility, or dueling mid game should have little to no effect on the co-op or it is poorly designed.
Nothing wrong with the RMAH, his point is that it makes it less enticing to farm end game content when you can simply and easily buy it. Yes it existed in Diablo 2, however there were still plenty of people who didn't use it because it didn't seem safe. Now it is a safe avenue. With that ability, why would I waste 24 hours of my life farming for end game gear, when I can spend that 24 hours working and spend a little cash to make my life easier? That is going to kill end game farming for me, so why couldn't it for others? Because it doesn't for you it is automatically great for the community?
If you wanna generalize him as a troll, you generalize majority of PvP players as trolls, which is to say just as easy for me to generalize PvM players as carebears. Am I right? Probably not.