Indeed.
I doubt I would play a self-found mode without improvements to itemization and drops.
I simply wouldnt play any modes.
It would be just fine/better if the improvements are general, and not specifically for self-found mode. That would feel a bit weird. I can't see Blizzard every doing such a thing.
Selfound for me is when you haven't used the AH and not traded with anyone outside the group you are farming with. The last thing probably isn't that easy to implement, but that's my definition.
Getting a good drop that one of your friends you are farming with can't use would just be stupid.
The above way is mostly how I played D2, not because I wanted to play with any artificial restrictions, I just didn't bother with trading, except between the friends I played with. I never really play with randoms in general.
Actually Blizzard could use a solution from WoW (gasp!) if they wanted to achieve something like this in an "ironborn mode"- which I guess they dont.
In WoW soul-bound items from dungeons can be traded within 2 hours after they dropped, but only to the other people who were in the group/participated in the kill when the item dropped.
I dont think an "ironborn mode" should allow unlimited trading just without AH though. Sure it would be different than current servers since AH trading is so convenient, but lots of trading would simply move to third parties, and then it wouldnt be self-found servers anymore, except for people who decided themselves to play that way = not much difference at all.
Does self-found mean you have to play with other self-found characters? If you play with an AH toon aren't their AH purchases directly assisting you?
Yeah, only playing with other self-found seems pretty much required for the term self-found.
I'd guess people who take this serious don't play with randoms.
If you allow yourself to trade items between your characters, if you allow yourself to trade items with your close friends (of whom you know they're playing self-found as well), if you allow yourself to trade items with all of you friends to take their "crap that doesn't sell on the AH", it just means that you're reducing your own likelihood of finding an upgrade for the sake of getting slightly better gear. It's not a black and white game of "cool" and "uncool" players, it's a continuous scale from "naked MP10 HC" to "no limits at all". Self-found (regardless of how you define it) is somewhere in between.
Pretty much this.
Unlimited amounts of weird limitations one can choose to play with.
I do think there is a fairly exact definition for the specific term self-found though. Most of what people seem to differ on in this thread is very minor stuff - like having 7000 gold from AH or whatever, or buying shared stash bags for the account... But you could have unlimited variations of more or less self-found.
It's necessary to remind you that if you have one character not self-found and you sell something in the AH for gold, then all of your characters become not self-found, for obvious reasons.
Technically one could keep check of exactly how much gold belonged to each group of characters, but it would be kinda hard.
If Blizzard added an actual self-found option, everything would really have to be kept 100% separate. Like HC.
Imo, sharing items between your characters are perfectly fine in self-found, as long as all the characters who participate in the sharing are also self-found.
If you have a non-self-found character on your account, then that character can never share items (or gold for that matter) with your self-found characters, otherwise they would not be self-found anymore.
Obviously you can't get items etc from any other sources. And of course you can never play with others who are not playing self-found.
I guess some might even argue you cant play with others at all, since they affect your "self-foundness" (which is now a word!) just by playing with you, but that seems too harsh tbh.
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I doubt I would play a self-found mode without improvements to itemization and drops.
I simply wouldnt play any modes.
It would be just fine/better if the improvements are general, and not specifically for self-found mode. That would feel a bit weird. I can't see Blizzard every doing such a thing.
Actually Blizzard could use a solution from WoW (gasp!) if they wanted to achieve something like this in an "ironborn mode"- which I guess they dont.
In WoW soul-bound items from dungeons can be traded within 2 hours after they dropped, but only to the other people who were in the group/participated in the kill when the item dropped.
I dont think an "ironborn mode" should allow unlimited trading just without AH though. Sure it would be different than current servers since AH trading is so convenient, but lots of trading would simply move to third parties, and then it wouldnt be self-found servers anymore, except for people who decided themselves to play that way = not much difference at all.
I'd guess people who take this serious don't play with randoms.
Pretty much this.
Unlimited amounts of weird limitations one can choose to play with.
I do think there is a fairly exact definition for the specific term self-found though. Most of what people seem to differ on in this thread is very minor stuff - like having 7000 gold from AH or whatever, or buying shared stash bags for the account... But you could have unlimited variations of more or less self-found.
If Blizzard added an actual self-found option, everything would really have to be kept 100% separate. Like HC.
If you have a non-self-found character on your account, then that character can never share items (or gold for that matter) with your self-found characters, otherwise they would not be self-found anymore.
Obviously you can't get items etc from any other sources. And of course you can never play with others who are not playing self-found.
I guess some might even argue you cant play with others at all, since they affect your "self-foundness" (which is now a word!) just by playing with you, but that seems too harsh tbh.