Okay, KnightmareX mentioned the three prime evils. Now, what happends when you killed them all? This is an argument against the Diablo 3 creation that has been going on for years. All three prime evils are dead. That would leave you saving the world and that is it. It's over. Done.
However, he also mentioned that they were weak when they weren't in Hell. Well, since the soulstone is dead, smashed, shattered, whatever, Diablo would have been sent to hell. With the other Prime Evils. NOW, if they were all together, wouldn't they have their full powers? That would mean, if they all went together, they could easily break out of hell. That brings us back to the Heaven vs. Hell. If they broke out of Hell, Heaven would have to come down to save the world.
The angels and demons would not have restrictions as the world stone and soulstones are gone. Their powers would be infinate. So a energetic battle between Heaven and Hell. Any way that you look at it would bring you to the Heaven vs. Hell idea. There's is no dought that that is the story line. But between the corruption of Tyrael, and All "Hell breaking loose", those are the two possible senerios.
wow u guys r deap lol and when u think of my vampires dont go for count chocula go for blood rayne or selene from under world (when she enters blood more she says (blah im goin to suck yo blood)
be sides vampires will never survive in the sunlight ;(
and it should be called DIABLO 3: moon of the spider
the spider abviously bit diablo mutated into a giant fiend after the fiend is slain sum wacko alchamist like nithalack retrieves blood from the corpse and CLONES DIABLO...... yes?? no??? lol
well i guess no vampires >.> yeah tyreal says that knighmare right after u kill baal but since every one skips that part and goes on and get rushed they miss it but i listen to all the text makes game fun
Well, I sort of understood the part that you were talking about more agile/heroic vampires. But just the simple thought of vampires as the good guys in Diablo doesn't mix. That's like putting Orcs and Elves in the storyline of Diablo. It's a little off. Think about it, in the Diablo world, they always talk about ONLY angels, demons, and mortals. Elves aren't mortals (or angels or demons), Orcs aren't mortals (or angels or demons), and vampires most certainly aren't mortals (or angels, but were demons in D2). So, I don't think there would be vampires in D3, only as enemies.
It can't be called Moon of the Spider, because that's a book. It's more like a spin off of the Diablo storyline. And Nihlathak is not an alchemist but a necromancer, and he couldn't retrieve the blood from the corpse that clones Diablo because Nihlathak is dead. Your character killed him in Act 5, remember?
I agree more with DiabloKillerMan. If Diablo died, he'll just go back to his soulstone (because it's what holds his power/his essence while in the mortal world). Now, because his soulstone was smashed, the only place that power/essence would go to would either be Hell, or it can just stay scattered vastly in the mortal world.
I suggest you guys really read the Diablo stories. It's in the archives in D1. It might give you guys more insight. It gave me insight when I read it.
Well, if you're going through that route (that D3 might be under a different name), then, you're probably right, Hybrid.
But, if they try to keep to the original storyline, I think diablokillerman is right. From the archive books about the Diablo Universe, it said that when the 3 Prime Evils found out about the soul stones, they thought of a plan to corrupt it (with the help of the captured and tortured Izual of course). And it was their whole plan to do so all along when they were exiled to the mortal world.
Now, when they actually were exiled to the mortal world, they weren't very powerful, because what gives them their vast power is Hell. They need to tap into those energies and the only way to do that is with the soulstones. They said that the Prime Evils were also weak, and they need to possess corporeal bodies to stay in the mortal realm. That is why the Horadrim were able to capture them in the first place.
Now, I think the power that makes the demons (possibly even angels alike) weak in the mortal world, is the Worldstone. Now that it's destroyed, then, they have nothing to worry about. I think when we killed Diablo, their powers either returned to Hell, or just scattered throughout the mortal realm. In any case, the Worldstone is destroyed, so, demons and angels alike will be able to hold corporeal form and draw their power from Hell/Heaven without any problems.
Wow, very interesting ideas! Hmm... I think our little forum has just been a bit more lively.
I like the ideas that Hybrid, jm, and sonnychiba proposed. I see that you have placed much effort on those thoughts. I identify myself with Hybrid a little bit more, that's sort of how I pictured the character creations will be if the D3 theme is indeed Heaven vs. Hell.
I strongly agree with Sonny about more on character customization; to be able to choose the gender, hair colour, and other features. I love customizing charactes; it gives you more of an individuality. Although, I don't quite agree on being able to grow horns or wings. I like Hybrid's idea better, the form/type/features of the armour your character wears depends on his/her class and alliance. I also don't quite agree with "crossing" classes. It's a little odd to me.
Although, you have very good ideas, Marshal, I don't quite agree with the vampire character idea. It's not credible enough. As DiabloKillerMan said, there was never any mention of vampires (except just as enemies) in the world of Diablo. And how will it that Diablo would raise her and return to his "wanderer form". It all just doesn't make sense. But, you did pose a very good point about the Worldstone.
If you're right, and Tyreal did say that. Then, that would prove that the Worldstone is indeed some sort of barrier/warding that protects the mortal realm from the other realms. If Baal fully corrupted the Worldstone, then I suppose that would mean that only demons will be able to cross over to the mortal realm. But, because Tyreal had a hand in destroying it, then, perhaps, the worldstone wouldn't be fully tainted and there would be some kind of condition where angels would equally have the same power as the demons in the mortal realm.
Boys, boys..... no offense, that whole idea sounds a little too farfetched to me. Diablo as an "eye" (or another body part). That's simply not too credible enough for me.
You might be missing the main idea here. If you think about it, there is something in Act 5 called the Worldstone. And it is destroyed. Now, they never stated it's purpose, but I truly believe it is intertwined with the D3 storyline, and the ressurection of the Prime Evils.
If you've read the Diablo history in the archives (it was available in Diablo 1), you'd find out that the realm of Heaven and Hell, indirectly influences the mortal realm. Meaning, they have a hard time here in the Mortal Realm. That is why Diablo and the other Prime Evils have to corrupt evil minds and possess bodies.
Now, why do you think that is? Why are these devilishly strong devils and powerful angels (like Tyreal) wane in power in the mortal realm. Don't you think it's because of the Worldstone?
I think the Worldstone is some sort of a barrier that somehow influences the increase/decrease of power against that of Heaven and Hell. So, now that it's destroyed, what's to stop all the devils and angels to invade the mortal realm?
The only reason Diablo and the rest of the Prime Evils were able to establish corporeal form was because of the Soulstones, now that they're destroyed, and the Worldstone (the barrier) is also destroyed. Angels and Demons alike will be able to roam free in the mortal realm.
Well, that seems to be the most obvious reason. But to be honest with you, I know no other ideas on how Blizzard would pull this storyline off.
I think, the side of Hell has been fed up with trying to sway mortal's decision on this battle. So, I think Hell destroyed the worldstone so they can invade it, force mortals to obey them, and destroy them if they resist.
Haha, that's exactly what I said a few posts ago. I truly don't want to mess with God on this. Perhaps, they might play out the Hell storyline to fight Tyreal as your last boss.
Wow! That's a great idea, kingpin! I love that idea! You're definitely right, what I loved about Diablo 1 are some of the small elements of gameplay they have there. Ressurect scrolls, books that contain knowledge to be able to use magic. I think they should be able to do that. Your character should be able to find books that contain knowledge to the most rare spells out there like "blood star".
That's also a good idea, Rice. Another good variation to that would be to get something else that's extra, like a mount (meaning, a horse or other animals to ride). To be honest, now that I think about it, the only good thing about having a mount in the Diablo world is that it's something cool to show off. So, I think a good achievement for reaching a high level is that you'd be able to summon a mount, just something you can do to parade around.
I think that directly relates to the storyline (if D3 is indeed, Heaven vs. Hell). Humans have always been in between the two sides. Our side is neutral. And the whole purpose Angels and Demons have been dwelling in the mortal realm is to sway which side the humans/mortals stand upon; because so far, there is a stalemate between the forces of Heaven and Hell.
Well, like I've said in previous threads, all the characters that you are able to choose from have always been human.
In the Diablo Universe, humans have always been caught in between the war between Heaven and Hell. Suffice to say, I suppose it would be logical to assume, that you should be able to pick through any character class, whether it's evil or not.
For instance, when you're about to make a character, you would first choose between any character class (which affects your skills and fighting style), and then, after that, choose the alliance (which therefore affects the storyline).
It is really simple, that way, it won't be so much like WoW. In WoW, you can't be a Human or an elf, and fight for the evil side. The idea that I'm proposing is that, I believe you should be able to choose your side regardless of your character class. As in.... you can be either be a necromancer that fights for the side of Hell, or a necromancer that would fight for the side of Heaven.
Samari? What's that? I'm still not so sure about vampires (even if they're good) being in the game. I mean, what kind of character would they be? A being that drains the blood out of zombies? So far, that's the only distinguishing characteristic I could think of. That would also probably be their main skill. And if that is the case, would that mean that each time they'd drain blood that they'd be healed? Well, that's a little bit odd if that's all they'd do.
i love the idea that you can ride horses. You can buy them like mercs, and they automatically kick enemies, you can also make them run, jump(to avoid enemies).
Oh, I most definitely agree. But, I think a good quest would be great to trigger this special function.
I think it was in Kurast, where you will be unable to hire the Iron Wolves Clan unless you complete a mission first (but then, after you complete that, Asheara gives you a merc for free). I think that's how it should be for special cases like these.
That is exactly what I was talking about.
Well, I sort of understood the part that you were talking about more agile/heroic vampires. But just the simple thought of vampires as the good guys in Diablo doesn't mix. That's like putting Orcs and Elves in the storyline of Diablo. It's a little off. Think about it, in the Diablo world, they always talk about ONLY angels, demons, and mortals. Elves aren't mortals (or angels or demons), Orcs aren't mortals (or angels or demons), and vampires most certainly aren't mortals (or angels, but were demons in D2). So, I don't think there would be vampires in D3, only as enemies.
It can't be called Moon of the Spider, because that's a book. It's more like a spin off of the Diablo storyline. And Nihlathak is not an alchemist but a necromancer, and he couldn't retrieve the blood from the corpse that clones Diablo because Nihlathak is dead. Your character killed him in Act 5, remember?
I agree more with DiabloKillerMan. If Diablo died, he'll just go back to his soulstone (because it's what holds his power/his essence while in the mortal world). Now, because his soulstone was smashed, the only place that power/essence would go to would either be Hell, or it can just stay scattered vastly in the mortal world.
I suggest you guys really read the Diablo stories. It's in the archives in D1. It might give you guys more insight. It gave me insight when I read it.
But, if they try to keep to the original storyline, I think diablokillerman is right. From the archive books about the Diablo Universe, it said that when the 3 Prime Evils found out about the soul stones, they thought of a plan to corrupt it (with the help of the captured and tortured Izual of course). And it was their whole plan to do so all along when they were exiled to the mortal world.
Now, when they actually were exiled to the mortal world, they weren't very powerful, because what gives them their vast power is Hell. They need to tap into those energies and the only way to do that is with the soulstones. They said that the Prime Evils were also weak, and they need to possess corporeal bodies to stay in the mortal realm. That is why the Horadrim were able to capture them in the first place.
Now, I think the power that makes the demons (possibly even angels alike) weak in the mortal world, is the Worldstone. Now that it's destroyed, then, they have nothing to worry about. I think when we killed Diablo, their powers either returned to Hell, or just scattered throughout the mortal realm. In any case, the Worldstone is destroyed, so, demons and angels alike will be able to hold corporeal form and draw their power from Hell/Heaven without any problems.
I like the ideas that Hybrid, jm, and sonnychiba proposed. I see that you have placed much effort on those thoughts. I identify myself with Hybrid a little bit more, that's sort of how I pictured the character creations will be if the D3 theme is indeed Heaven vs. Hell.
I strongly agree with Sonny about more on character customization; to be able to choose the gender, hair colour, and other features. I love customizing charactes; it gives you more of an individuality. Although, I don't quite agree on being able to grow horns or wings. I like Hybrid's idea better, the form/type/features of the armour your character wears depends on his/her class and alliance. I also don't quite agree with "crossing" classes. It's a little odd to me.
Although, you have very good ideas, Marshal, I don't quite agree with the vampire character idea. It's not credible enough. As DiabloKillerMan said, there was never any mention of vampires (except just as enemies) in the world of Diablo. And how will it that Diablo would raise her and return to his "wanderer form". It all just doesn't make sense. But, you did pose a very good point about the Worldstone.
If you're right, and Tyreal did say that. Then, that would prove that the Worldstone is indeed some sort of barrier/warding that protects the mortal realm from the other realms. If Baal fully corrupted the Worldstone, then I suppose that would mean that only demons will be able to cross over to the mortal realm. But, because Tyreal had a hand in destroying it, then, perhaps, the worldstone wouldn't be fully tainted and there would be some kind of condition where angels would equally have the same power as the demons in the mortal realm.
You might be missing the main idea here. If you think about it, there is something in Act 5 called the Worldstone. And it is destroyed. Now, they never stated it's purpose, but I truly believe it is intertwined with the D3 storyline, and the ressurection of the Prime Evils.
If you've read the Diablo history in the archives (it was available in Diablo 1), you'd find out that the realm of Heaven and Hell, indirectly influences the mortal realm. Meaning, they have a hard time here in the Mortal Realm. That is why Diablo and the other Prime Evils have to corrupt evil minds and possess bodies.
Now, why do you think that is? Why are these devilishly strong devils and powerful angels (like Tyreal) wane in power in the mortal realm. Don't you think it's because of the Worldstone?
I think the Worldstone is some sort of a barrier that somehow influences the increase/decrease of power against that of Heaven and Hell. So, now that it's destroyed, what's to stop all the devils and angels to invade the mortal realm?
The only reason Diablo and the rest of the Prime Evils were able to establish corporeal form was because of the Soulstones, now that they're destroyed, and the Worldstone (the barrier) is also destroyed. Angels and Demons alike will be able to roam free in the mortal realm.
I think, the side of Hell has been fed up with trying to sway mortal's decision on this battle. So, I think Hell destroyed the worldstone so they can invade it, force mortals to obey them, and destroy them if they resist.
That's also a good idea, Rice. Another good variation to that would be to get something else that's extra, like a mount (meaning, a horse or other animals to ride). To be honest, now that I think about it, the only good thing about having a mount in the Diablo world is that it's something cool to show off. So, I think a good achievement for reaching a high level is that you'd be able to summon a mount, just something you can do to parade around.
In the Diablo Universe, humans have always been caught in between the war between Heaven and Hell. Suffice to say, I suppose it would be logical to assume, that you should be able to pick through any character class, whether it's evil or not.
For instance, when you're about to make a character, you would first choose between any character class (which affects your skills and fighting style), and then, after that, choose the alliance (which therefore affects the storyline).
It is really simple, that way, it won't be so much like WoW. In WoW, you can't be a Human or an elf, and fight for the evil side. The idea that I'm proposing is that, I believe you should be able to choose your side regardless of your character class. As in.... you can be either be a necromancer that fights for the side of Hell, or a necromancer that would fight for the side of Heaven.
Oh, I most definitely agree. But, I think a good quest would be great to trigger this special function.
I think it was in Kurast, where you will be unable to hire the Iron Wolves Clan unless you complete a mission first (but then, after you complete that, Asheara gives you a merc for free). I think that's how it should be for special cases like these.
Yes, but we kill vampires in Diablo 2. They're in the Arcane Sanctuary and other areas in Lut Gholein.