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Mercs only for single player to have some company for the pool lonely souls. In multi we don't need AI to take place of a party member.

To OP i hope they get rid of charms.. stupid idea to fill up your whole inventory.

Quote from "blizter" »

People playing alone on battle.net.

I'm doing that and I don't need a merc. So if you wanna play solo you better be good enough for that.

Can't expect for some low level to manage in hell, he needs to go back to easier areas to gain some levels then come back and try the harder.

One of the biggest need for mercs in d2 was immunities. Without those you wouldn't need them as much. Since building a dual or tri tree sorc yeah you can kill all monsters but not that fast. Also now with the ridiculous runewords everyone wants one ofc. U can actually wear off many immunities with merc conv aura

Quote from "sethdiablo" »

I dont know if this was addressed already or not. I absolutely do not want to see a penalty on your drops for having said merc at your side. This is not Guild Wars and its one of the "features" i absolutely hated with GW. You were forced to play with a team instead of mercs (They were very stupid and 90% of quests were hard to complete with them). Often found myself standing for hours at a time trying to get a team to do that ONE quest.:offtopic:
Sorry about that, back OT.

Everyone that has even touched diablo knows it is BIG on magicfinding/item hunting w/e you wanna call it. To make a merc thats supposed to "help" your character have an edge take your drops in diablo would render them unused by 99% of the diablo population later in the game. To put them into the game and make them steal your drops would make this system utterly useless in D3.




Seth

Good if they would be unused. They should make the characters powerful enough to manage on their own. What point is for horrify and such skills if there is a merc that tanks everything anyways. So no thanks for that kind of merc system that it is now.

Quote from "Altefrau" »

Erm... no.

Nowhere in any act did my barb have any problems to survive. 8 players ancients hell alone - no problem. Leeching is the magical word, a good armor, iron skin... But it did take a lot of time - you're right in saying the melee classes were behind in damage. This should be better in D3...

Yeah I didn't mean about surviving.. baba is one of the best in it but in damage, if you didn't have might merc with you, you gimped even more of your already gimped damage In other ways merc wasn't much help for barb since you are already inside of the mob packs.

But for sorc holy freeze merc for example is just ridiculous, no mob can ever get near you when they are slowed down so much. Best fun with lod sorcs I had with nova/orb. You had to go near the mobs with nova it was fun.. some mad boss packs you had to deal with care.. do some orb further away and then close in with nova and kite them while doing some nova.

Game must be somewhat tactical and not all that easy tank and spank. Where the merc is the tank and you stand behind him spanking the mobs.

Mercs are somewhat a hit in the face for some classes that tought their utility skills were pretty nice compared to what other classes have. Look at amazon or assasin. They both have their meat walls (valk and shadow master). But they aren't very special since everyone else have their own already.

I remember the time when people were doing Chaos Sanc before LOD. Barb wasn't too good there with the IM (some buids were ok but majority was nono). Necro was pretty much a king there with minions. Sorc was really good but you had to know how to play it in order to not get too much hit from oblivions and other mobs, hammerdins were quite strong also but they took quite much hit in there. But then we had ama decoy and valkyrie and full nuke from behind them.. it was something that made them very good at clearing CS. Now anyone can do that with their "valkyrie" that hits like a truck and also gives whatever aura you can imagine

Quote from "Equinox" »

The devs didn't say anything special. DII had coop already. The game was already centered on coop. Can you still play SP? Yes. Can you still play solo? Yes, devs said yes. Therefore, mercs ftw.

Many situations where a monster would hit you it hits the merc instead => making playing more relentless and you don't have be aware so much => gets boring faster. I remember playing sorc pre-lod you had to tele around throwing orbs that slow enemies down and move all the time or else the mobs would prolly swarm you. If u have that powerfull merc with damage reduce and leech tanking for you.. thats way too easy.

The little amounth of lod i played (like 4barbs, 4 sorcs + some others) I never had merc on my sorcs, they didn't really need one. But the physical classes were in big trouble without. They were already behind in damage if u compare to sorc for example so if you wanted your killing pace be even decent you really had to get that might merc.

Let's say the merc only coops with his owner, or decrease the efficiency of his skills compared to a non-NPC. But you should know that no NPC could replace a human player...

Well if you already can solo without a Merc.. but you play HC for example and hey "maybe I wanna play with that baba to get some extra protection from warcries" then u check ur merc.. oh he already has those "get lost baba" so much for the coop play they are aiming for.

PVM != PVP

If mobs hit you in PVM i'm sure you get beaten by every barb in PVP..

Also people like having a merc, its buffs are useful and it helps get those bothersome monsters off your back if your in a tight spot, typically in a coop game mercs die very quickly and you have to rely on your team mates anyway, but during solo player having a merc is a life saver and helps people out generally well.

Buffs are usefull. Well if the characters are created in such ways that they can handle without the buffs then no thanks to mercs. "life saver" that sounds like you need to learn 2 play.

I don't think theres a diablo player alive that doesn't thank a merc for saving there butt in hardcore hell durance of hate, solo or multiplayer! dolls are bloody murder

Nah never, if you die to dolls you deserved it and maybe next time you have learned how to deal with them. Too bad the AI bot saved you so you didn't learn anything else than "hey i buy that merc from act2 so I don't die that much cuz i sux otherwise"

I think you came in here very shallow minded, don't just think about your own situation, there are other people in this world not as lucky as you or myself to be able to simply call up a mate to play whenever we are able too, giving solo players the ability to have to merc is a perk and a damn good one specially if there character class doesn't have any pets

Ok I don't mind if singleplayers get some companions.. guess it's god damn boring to play alone. But in multiplayer if you solo you solo. I solo almost 80% of the time unless friends are online and play around the same areas I am and still I don't need some damn mercs.

I really hope blizzard creates the characters so that we don't need some AI Bots seriously. If something is too hard for one he would look for party and play with other people. Or go somewhere and level up some more and try it again.

Quote from "Altefrau" »

Why not? A Merc is a nice idea. Why should they be banned?

Well since people defend orginal series of diablo so fierce here should I too? Mercs wasn't anything that everyone had in orginal D2 not permanent at least and there was no mercs at all in D1 so there shouldn't be any permanent mercs in D3 either.

A really cool idea would be if you could skill and level them in a way, too... You know, Rogue merc with multishot, Barb merc with maxed warcries... If that is not a cool idea.... It would increase the variations of a character setup amazingly!

Jej warcries.. mm why should my baba spend any skills in them.. duh. Or why should we invite that baba to party we already have one..

And the people, who do not like them: just do not use them. Okay, I never really used them, because they were too weak, but I always liked the idea.

Weak? Someone said his merc can solo hell ancients.. don't know if thats weak really.

And it is a nice help for PVP-skilled chars playing PVM. A blocker for a sorc or Amazon...

Yea maybe amazon but any decent sorc should be able to play without getting hit _especially_ a pvp sorc.

Quote from "Nihilanth45" »

No man. They should be sidekicks. A barb merc should still kick some ass but not as much as you.

A bow based merc should be able to pick off enemies and damage bosses.

I also think that the merc system should have attack and defend features. Aggressive, defensive, etc.

well whatever i won't use them and still own the monsters.

Quote from "Nihilanth45" »

We don't NEED them. They're just fun.

Lighten up.

Well in that case they shouldn't be very powerfull but maybe give u some kind help in other ways.

They should be sort of fragile and not deal much damage.. but they would stay behind u pretty much. They could have some sort of spells that have some kind of crowd control frost nova or a bow user would have freezing arrow.. etc

Someone posted in the other thread that his merc could solo hell ancients without him doing anything.. anything like this should be out of D3.

Quote from "UnknownToAll" »

I could do just fine without any merc, hell Diablo 1 was Funner than D2 imo and there was no merc.

if any of you havent tried Diablo1 you really should, your missing out on a good game (if abit out dated)

Edit: Oh, just dont play it on battle.net, so many hackers (last time i checked anyways) unless you try it with some friends, play through it legit.

Yeah and if u play Orginal D2 and not lod the mercs dissappear when u change act that they are hired from.. they are also very weak and you cant put any gear on them. They are simply not needed at all.

Lol NO MERCS. Why? Why should we need them? Make the characters powerfull enough so we don't need no god damn AI npc with us. It so ridiculous now that u have a damn paladin with u even if u solo, giving u almost any type of aura. Make the game in a way like before LOD that every build and class can handle every situation depending on the player not some AI. If the player sucks and can't deal with some monsters then too bad. But everyone has a chance to success at least even without a merc.

Someone suggested they should be even more powerfull using full sets etc .. you prolly wanna put some commands to him too? And a way to follow him.. so first you command him to clear this dungeon then u put follow on him and then go afk.. gg.

There could be these mercs that you can't resurrect or equip tho related to quest or temporary help.

They weren't mercs like in LOD in the trailer. You got them from the quest where u escorted Cain out as a help.

Personally I really think we don't need a frikin mercs. Make the game that way that we don't need them. It is just so stupid in LOD now when your merc can give you about every pala aura in game with those runewords.. so pala is asking "wanna party".. "no thanks I have all auras I need". Also when properly equipped the merc can take out almost every monster out there.

If you play classic you can get a merc too, but he will dissappear when you change act. I think this is a nice thing if you wanna have them for a while. But I wouldn't want a permanent merc.