For the 5th passive what do you think is best? I have a nice hellfire amulet so currently i'm using steady aim as my fifth passive but could something else be better?
Over time, I have realized that Night Stalker is the best 5th passive to use, even for crossbows. Becomes even better for faster weapons. Steady Aim and Single Out are still useful, but lack behind a little bit.
And in general, with season 2 being over and season 3 just over the horizon, I think it's time to put this build and thread finally to rest. All the information you might want to have is in here somewhere (mostly first post), and the new builds will be better than this anyway. Last night I paid my last respects to the physical build and season 2 by completing my last 54 key no matter what, and it was a horrible rift that took more than 30 min, but I just did it nevertheless. Fun times, see you in season 3!
World Rank 1 DH - Tier 53 solo
Tier 53 =)
The RNG was kind with me - I farmed 122 keys and expected to not even get one doable rift - until I cleared it on my 8th try. WTS 114x53 keys!
At the time of the clear, there were two other clears on 53 and until the upload of this video one DH has actually managed to beat 54. Still, I'm very happy that I could clear 53 and I will try my luck in 54 until the end of the season as well. I'm starting to feel bad that it's always the same monster type and map layout on my successful runs =)
4 days to beat 54 - 14:28. I guess my hardcore aspirations are finally stifled now
Congrats on that run, it was INSANE. Was getting freaked out with the Jailer Waller combo there, really crazy.
If you had a bad RG like Leoric, would you have quit the rift?
I would still have completed it for gem upgrades, Leoric could actually be beaten in a Hell Rift on 49. Saxtris, Bone Warlock and Orlash would have certainly failed it.
Wow. What an intense run - "dream rift" in terms of mob type, but that were some bad elite affixes and a million close calls. But doesn't it itch you to be one level below this magic number 50? If you think you won't do any HC anymore, why not go "full yolo" on some 50 attempts? ;-)
Congratz, and awesome editing. Amazing video!
Glad you enjoyed it, it's true that it's itching a little, especially because my original intention was to clear tier 50 back at the beginning of season 2. However, seeing Baklanofskii clearing it with a Unity and quite some toughness equipped, including close to rank 60 gems, really took away my motivation a little. I might try to do it in the upcoming week, but it's also difficult to actually find people for those trial keys on hc. We'll see.
Definitely one of my best runs in one of the best rifts imaginable. I've edited in some epic music this time, hope you like it =) Used about 70 keys (vs. ~20 and ~30 for my previous two clears), got 4 very close calls before that and no rifts where I could attribute failing the timer to my own mistakes, rather just RNG and general lack of dps. This was the first unburied rift I got on this character. It was a very intense run, as I quickly realized that this would be the rift and I just went for it with my heart pumping like crazy, pushing like never before. For the rest, see the descirption on YT.
@Sakasen: I have made a video about Taeguk + Kridershot, you can find it on my channel. Personally, if I had a perfect Kridershot, I'd try to make cold work with spitfire turrets because of the problems you mentioned. Hexing Pants is superior to Pride's for that, as can be seen in the calculations. Burst damage usually is not important in tier 50+. Also, my calculations do not assume that you always hit, accuracy loss is factored in.
Nice zombie rift but nothing out of the ordinary, before this run I had used 31 tier 52 keys with a few close calls, after which I decided to just run with my leftover 51s, which all were really close and my fifth run finally was good enough. Items are shown at the end. My seasonal character is actually stronger than my nonseasonal character already for those wondering, gems are just 1-2 ranks behind but with all the additional Dexteritiy and the op SoJ I can definitely go higher.
I died once at the very end just before spawning the RG because I had enganged an elite pack that I wasn't aware of while killing another one, other than that I think it was a pretty flawless run. I even got a power pylon in a good spot near the end but unfortunately had to use it on a nasty pack.
Really looking forward to push 52 + 53 (also on nonseason, already stacking up keys), and 49-50 on hardcore =)
Just a general thing: For gear and item questions, you should consult this thread, which specifically deals with those. We don't have to revive this topic all the time for stuff like that, I'd rather do so for discussion and updates.
While I'm on it, I will quickly go over your questions anyway:
@Genotoxic: Elenara is right, area damage > ias
@Ninjatsu: Neat compass rose, it's only used for trials though. Try to gamble for SoJ's (cold / phys / fire) so that you can choose for whatever you are doing. Your weapon choice depends on your rolls, if they are all gg you could try running with the Calamity, but you should consider farming a Pride's Fall. Otherwise stick to Etrayu.
First of all, thanks for all the work you've done However I'm a bit confused reading the spreadsheet, I don't really get what where to find out about how good a Calamity, Kridershot etc. is. I don't even see them in the sheetts (?). Can you put up a link in google docs (read only) so we can copy it and play around with the stats to understand what all there numbers are coming from? Another topic - gems. I'm at the moment using my cold build, using BoT, BoP and Zei's, but when I play fast 35s in group or T6 in general I don't seem to get any use of the Zei's. You recommend using Enforcer but you never tell why, can't figure it out.
Thanks for everything though ^^
As is described in the FAQ by now, I usually recommend to use the best rolled weapon, with a tendency to go for Xbow if you do a lot of speed runs or have people spawning globes for you (unless you have zero dog, where 1h becomes better). Zei's is always useful and should never be replaced, in fact it is the one and only gem I have never unsocketed after patch 2.1.2. If anything, you should replace BotT for speed runs, Enforcer is bad for speed runs and might be useful in high GRs with a lot of damage buffs or in trials.
As much as I'd like to, I can't put up the spreadsheet for now because it will be probably be abused by my (and my clan's) competition. You can still find a lot of the information in the posts or discussions, especially regarding gearing priorities.
To keep this thread a go-to destination for everyone interested in the physical cluster build, I'll just keep posting here. I'll also edit all the videos into the OP to make them more easily accessible, and plan to add a FAQ there as well.
My latest upload is a Kridershot + Taeguk demo, inspired by this thread on the official forums, where it was suggested to make Krider EA work with Taeguk because apparently it's difficult to keep it up for some, but it can be done if you do it right.
@veletz: Usually I recommend to just use the weapon with the best rolls, because they are so close math-wise. Gearing priorities don't change for sc or hc, other than that you might want to stack a little more toughness (which I won't do for solo regardless). While we're at it, I'm currently preparing for my tier 50 solo run on hc, and then I got this: QQ
Edit: Can't edit the OP right now... changes are saved and I'm waiting for a fix.
15% cold is pretty sad, I guess Xbow will be better in most cases. The calculations were done assuming 20% cold and ~equal damage rolls (which I think you have), and then Etrayu turned out about as good as the physical builds. For cold, just try both and you'll see.
Just quickly wanted to share with you my latest video. Last night I managed to beat tier 45 on my hardcore DH, which currently is the only clear on that level. I thought that is quite notable because it is only 3 tiers lower than the highest clear of season 1 and it's only 1 week after the release of the season. On a personal note, I have also surpassed my previous record with this run, because last season my highest clear was only tier 45 as well, as I went straight for 48-50 after that and so closely missed it. Enjoy.
@hehomar: Your Calamity is really good, it's worth to try it out. Note that for fast GRs the damage boost is not as important though. With 3 dps in your party, it will probably be better than the Xbow.
Alright, here is the YT version of my second tier 52 run, including sound: Tier 52 - Era 2
A little offtopic, but I have also uploaded videos of my hardcore conquests there (2xrank 2, 2xrank 3, all solo), check them out if you're curious! Unfortunately I couldn't stream them because I kept lagging during the weekend. So far it's looking quite good on the hc ladder though =)
So you said that CDR in head isnt a good option, what would you recommend in the headslot (gemwise) i am a little confused here. It is possible that i misread something cause its still early here.
What FsBelphegor said: Diamond is still best dps-wise, but it's not a huge loss if you don't use it.
About Pain Enhancer: It's nowhere close, we DHs are no Barbs If you drop Taeguk too often, use BotP
Last night I managed to clear 52 again live on stream. Sound got muted, I will add a proper Youtube link after the race for conquests is over. If you still want to see it, here you are:
I'll have to change quite some things in order to do that. However, the hatred gain from ME is altered by the proc coefficients of your spell, so you won't just get 8 hatred per shot, more like 2-3.
after some tests, look like im found optimal generator
ME + Krider + EA (Immolation). proc coeff IA 50% and its make 5 hits (base + 4 ticks), so total 14 hatred (4 from Krider). plus IA top dps single target rune.
CA/SS have only 20% proc coeff, so 1-1.5 hatred back from CA.
I think something along those lines could work pretty well, I will try this sometime in the future. It will take some weeks though, as I will probably be playing season this time around.
I feel I have more damage as cold but it might be just my bad physical gear.
Keep in mind all of these calculations assume equal rolls on bracers / amulet / soj. Also, if you are not using a soj, the benefit of Etrayu will be more noticeable.
@TheOni84: Tunafish is right. Remember there's also a dedicated gear / item question thread
Over time, I have realized that Night Stalker is the best 5th passive to use, even for crossbows. Becomes even better for faster weapons. Steady Aim and Single Out are still useful, but lack behind a little bit.
And in general, with season 2 being over and season 3 just over the horizon, I think it's time to put this build and thread finally to rest. All the information you might want to have is in here somewhere (mostly first post), and the new builds will be better than this anyway. Last night I paid my last respects to the physical build and season 2 by completing my last 54 key no matter what, and it was a horrible rift that took more than 30 min, but I just did it nevertheless. Fun times, see you in season 3!
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Tier 53 =)
The RNG was kind with me - I farmed 122 keys and expected to not even get one doable rift - until I cleared it on my 8th try. WTS 114x53 keys!
At the time of the clear, there were two other clears on 53 and until the upload of this video one DH has actually managed to beat 54. Still, I'm very happy that I could clear 53 and I will try my luck in 54 until the end of the season as well. I'm starting to feel bad that it's always the same monster type and map layout on my successful runs =)
4 days to beat 54 - 14:28. I guess my hardcore aspirations are finally stifled now
I would still have completed it for gem upgrades, Leoric could actually be beaten in a Hell Rift on 49. Saxtris, Bone Warlock and Orlash would have certainly failed it.
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Glad you enjoyed it, it's true that it's itching a little, especially because my original intention was to clear tier 50 back at the beginning of season 2. However, seeing Baklanofskii clearing it with a Unity and quite some toughness equipped, including close to rank 60 gems, really took away my motivation a little. I might try to do it in the upcoming week, but it's also difficult to actually find people for those trial keys on hc. We'll see.
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Probably my last upload I will ever make in this thread, my hardcore masterpiece: Double Rank 1 (SC/HC) DH - Tier 49 solo (Hardcore)
Full description on YT, hope you guys enjoy it just as I did =)
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Third time's the charm: Rank 1 World DH - Tier 52 solo (12:41)
Definitely one of my best runs in one of the best rifts imaginable. I've edited in some epic music this time, hope you like it =) Used about 70 keys (vs. ~20 and ~30 for my previous two clears), got 4 very close calls before that and no rifts where I could attribute failing the timer to my own mistakes, rather just RNG and general lack of dps. This was the first unburied rift I got on this character. It was a very intense run, as I quickly realized that this would be the rift and I just went for it with my heart pumping like crazy, pushing like never before. For the rest, see the descirption on YT.
@Sakasen: I have made a video about Taeguk + Kridershot, you can find it on my channel. Personally, if I had a perfect Kridershot, I'd try to make cold work with spitfire turrets because of the problems you mentioned. Hexing Pants is superior to Pride's for that, as can be seen in the calculations. Burst damage usually is not important in tier 50+. Also, my calculations do not assume that you always hit, accuracy loss is factored in.
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Kind of reviving this thread a little, but I guess it's still worth watching:
Rank 1 EU DH - Tier 51 solo
Nice zombie rift but nothing out of the ordinary, before this run I had used 31 tier 52 keys with a few close calls, after which I decided to just run with my leftover 51s, which all were really close and my fifth run finally was good enough. Items are shown at the end. My seasonal character is actually stronger than my nonseasonal character already for those wondering, gems are just 1-2 ranks behind but with all the additional Dexteritiy and the op SoJ I can definitely go higher.
I died once at the very end just before spawning the RG because I had enganged an elite pack that I wasn't aware of while killing another one, other than that I think it was a pretty flawless run. I even got a power pylon in a good spot near the end but unfortunately had to use it on a nasty pack.
Really looking forward to push 52 + 53 (also on nonseason, already stacking up keys), and 49-50 on hardcore =)
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3x Tier 52: Soon
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Just a general thing: For gear and item questions, you should consult this thread, which specifically deals with those. We don't have to revive this topic all the time for stuff like that, I'd rather do so for discussion and updates.
While I'm on it, I will quickly go over your questions anyway:
@Genotoxic: Elenara is right, area damage > ias
@Ninjatsu: Neat compass rose, it's only used for trials though. Try to gamble for SoJ's (cold / phys / fire) so that you can choose for whatever you are doing. Your weapon choice depends on your rolls, if they are all gg you could try running with the Calamity, but you should consider farming a Pride's Fall. Otherwise stick to Etrayu.
@TheOni84: 10% damage > 10% resource
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As is described in the FAQ by now, I usually recommend to use the best rolled weapon, with a tendency to go for Xbow if you do a lot of speed runs or have people spawning globes for you (unless you have zero dog, where 1h becomes better). Zei's is always useful and should never be replaced, in fact it is the one and only gem I have never unsocketed after patch 2.1.2. If anything, you should replace BotT for speed runs, Enforcer is bad for speed runs and might be useful in high GRs with a lot of damage buffs or in trials.
As much as I'd like to, I can't put up the spreadsheet for now because it will be probably be abused by my (and my clan's) competition. You can still find a lot of the information in the posts or discussions, especially regarding gearing priorities.
(Can't quote you properly because of that error^^) Thanks Molster! I updated the first post now.
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To keep this thread a go-to destination for everyone interested in the physical cluster build, I'll just keep posting here. I'll also edit all the videos into the OP to make them more easily accessible, and plan to add a FAQ there as well.
My latest upload is a Kridershot + Taeguk demo, inspired by this thread on the official forums, where it was suggested to make Krider EA work with Taeguk because apparently it's difficult to keep it up for some, but it can be done if you do it right.
@veletz: Usually I recommend to just use the weapon with the best rolls, because they are so close math-wise. Gearing priorities don't change for sc or hc, other than that you might want to stack a little more toughness (which I won't do for solo regardless). While we're at it, I'm currently preparing for my tier 50 solo run on hc, and then I got this: QQ
Edit: Can't edit the OP right now... changes are saved and I'm waiting for a fix.
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15% cold is pretty sad, I guess Xbow will be better in most cases. The calculations were done assuming 20% cold and ~equal damage rolls (which I think you have), and then Etrayu turned out about as good as the physical builds. For cold, just try both and you'll see.
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Just quickly wanted to share with you my latest video. Last night I managed to beat tier 45 on my hardcore DH, which currently is the only clear on that level. I thought that is quite notable because it is only 3 tiers lower than the highest clear of season 1 and it's only 1 week after the release of the season. On a personal note, I have also surpassed my previous record with this run, because last season my highest clear was only tier 45 as well, as I went straight for 48-50 after that and so closely missed it. Enjoy.
Video - Hardcore Tier 45 solo (S2)
@hehomar: Your Calamity is really good, it's worth to try it out. Note that for fast GRs the damage boost is not as important though. With 3 dps in your party, it will probably be better than the Xbow.
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Alright, here is the YT version of my second tier 52 run, including sound: Tier 52 - Era 2
A little offtopic, but I have also uploaded videos of my hardcore conquests there (2xrank 2, 2xrank 3, all solo), check them out if you're curious! Unfortunately I couldn't stream them because I kept lagging during the weekend. So far it's looking quite good on the hc ladder though =)
What FsBelphegor said: Diamond is still best dps-wise, but it's not a huge loss if you don't use it.
About Pain Enhancer: It's nowhere close, we DHs are no Barbs
If you drop Taeguk too often, use BotP
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Tier 52 solo - Era 2
Last night I managed to clear 52 again live on stream. Sound got muted, I will add a proper Youtube link after the race for conquests is over. If you still want to see it, here you are:
http://www.twitch.tv/wudijo/c/6109142
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I think something along those lines could work pretty well, I will try this sometime in the future. It will take some weeks though, as I will probably be playing season this time around.
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@TheOni84: Tunafish is right. Remember there's also a dedicated gear / item question thread
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