as paradox as it now is, i even would have welcomed some mobile diablo action from netease probably without any afterthought if blizzard would've shown d4 before / after. really strange when you look at it now.
I'm not so irrationally angry at the idea of the game being mobile since I don't play mobile games at all anyways. Long as they actually do Diablo 4 and do it justice, is my only concern. The more I look at this, the more it looks like a mere jump into the mobile market cause they know there's more money to be made, and Diablo is the one property they have that they haven't milked to death with micro-transactions or paid cosmetics.
MTX are okay, paid cosmetics give a choice. let the players have set drops, but make them visually different. more bland but still unique for max level softcore under torment X / whatever an equivalent rift level is. really sweet for torment X / rift with added effects, the version one has to strive for. oh, and torment X should be hard and hardcore should have their own version for the higher one. then have a store version of that set like in heroes of the storm but with a completely different theme. not immersion-breaking but enough to have a player fork over 2-4$ for the permanent addition to transmog since there are a lot of possible items to pay for.
- you would have something visually appealing insted of a higher number on your portrait.
- you would have a goal to uniquely customize your character.
- you would have the ability to add themes. for example: season 16 - 18 wouldn't have ANOTHER rerun of conqueror but instead offer a unique look for these three seasons and the reward for helm/shoulder etc. transmogs plus you can monetize the game with another round of store cosmetics for that season. at this point, one should forego the season formula and maybe put Season 16 - Chapter 1 to 3 for a duration of nine months and for each chapter there will be the reward. you could theme around a specific enemy type or a faction. it would go with season specific buffs or mutators which alter the experience in that time period.
sorry, i got carried away for the moment. but when even a small guy like me just incorporates two features from WoW (tier sets have different color / effects depending on the difficulty they drop in) and HotS (each hero has a standard skin, unlocks a master skin and you can buy a plethora of cosmetics in the store) as one possible feature for diablo 3 while waiting for the breakfast break, blizzard should think about something like that too. i want to stress that i don't think that high of me, it just came into my head as something which could really be some non-invasive stuff for the most players and which could monetize the game for further development. surely you would need some HD textures on those dated models / sets. models looked crappy since before the release.
OKAY. enough now from me.
with a bigger staff they could do this cosmetic MTX thing a lot better than doing a mobile version where netease probably will do stuff like blizzard does in WoW/HotS. just sayin'.
exactly. i enjoy a few mobile games regularly in intervals of about four hours for a few minutes. but nothing beats climbing on the gaming throne and firing up the gaming rig.
if the whole market was mobile and blizzard would defiantly stand against it with diablo - okay. time to adapt. right now it isn't a good decision without a major pc game backing the whole thing up.
the problem is, that she is indeed posting here and there about some switch bugs and subsequently gets attacked due to unresolved DI/D3/D4/BlizzCon issues which are still present. if she were truly silent whilst taking feedback, this whole pit of clowns would eat themselves and hate the franchise forever. blizzard, doing the math, accepts a few hundredthousands as a casualty but has millions upon millions of MAUs in the future.
they couldn't care less.
and i think this will dawn on a lot of people in the coming weeks. despite all the ruckus, we will be abandoned. we won't be heard anymore. DI forums will be full of angry d1-d3 players whom will be heavily moderated out of this world, that will die down. metacritic will see a massive spike of negativity on the first listing of DI, that will die down. then there will be silence up until the first glimpse of some majestic d4 footage and many will come back. blizzard will be best boy.
a bit terrifying, to say the least. no community should be treated this way and this is also one of the concerns of the CM. but, like you said, how would anyone get this child out of the well? what can nev post to soothe this? i wouldn't even know by now.
Targeting specific employees by name should be unacceptable and unforgivable. Blizzard as a company made the decisions regarding Immortal, not Nevalistis, and not any other single employee.
Since the average Diablo player is old enough to have played at least 2 of the games, were talking about people in their mid 20s at least, and frankly those few people in their mid-20s unable to understand the basics of job description would also be unable to understand how a computer works, so we ALL have enough intelligence to understand the separation between company and employee responsibility. Its not fucking rocket-science, whether you like her or not Nevalistis is employed to inform, spin and hype. So to those attacking her personally, take a break from the pathetic impotent keyboard warrior trolling, and allow that testosterone high from your perceived personal sleight to dissipate then maybe you can think clearly enough to take part in a conversation that leads to something constructive rather than just seeking support for your own false-convictions.
you are totally right and i would count the lazy pun as more of a friendly jab. but the rest i've said isn't against the devs. it isn't against nevalistis. it IS against the community manager job. that job is done poorly, very poorly. the CM is the liaison between the playerbase and whatever is on blizzards side.
- we have five posts on May 1.
- two posts on May 2.
+ 28 days +
- one post on May 30.
+ 70 days +
- two posts on Aug 8, the day of the hype video.
+ 54 days +
- one post on Oct 1.
+ 37 days +
- two posts. one generic about forum stuff, one is the quick word from blizzard
when i look at blues from WoW.. yeah, we have a very inactive CM position. again, it is the CM and not the person. if the CM isn't given anything to work with, the CM cannot post it. should the CM engage more, especially after this blizzcon? what do you think? should the CM try to fan the flames somehow, anyhow? at least SOMEHOW give us the feeling that this isn't the light at the end of the tunnel? or worse, the light from a brighter, more mobile future as it is..
i don't have anything against her. but reading about one MVP from 2013 who broke into tears and who knows as much as we do is really gruesome. not standing by the community isn't very nice in these trying times. i think we all would like to hear something. taking our feedback over the last years did nothing, maybe we could be provided with any info about multiple projects? at this point, even the smallest morsels seem to be nice..
speaking of witch (pun, you know): is this how it is going to be? they absolutely alienate their playerbase "PC" at blizzcon to merge "PC" with "MOBILE" on the day of the release for more "CONSOLE" (funny thing is, that DI won't run on a mobile platform like the switch), only to find themselves get shat on, have their stocks crash and thousands of diablo players only want answers or at the very least some communication.
instead of going into full damage recovery, they let aforementioned CM brood over an answer to the community for three full days and let her release a weak "we hear you". they still want feedback on top of the past three years of feedback after RoS went stale and *poof* she vanishes. her post history as a blue CM is strange indeed, after may 2018 you barely get one page worthy of replies to any matters (including someone asking where the blues are):
so, the backlash came and went. it is still burning, no one is talking and blizzards conference call sends more mobile signs. if everybody would stop being angry with blizzard at this point, nothing would happen until DI release. they would just be happy that all the anger died down. is this really the way you want to solve this situation? is this everything we get TWELVE DAYS after blizzcon?
oh and let us not forget this great picture floating around where netease tells blizzard how they should monetize DI:
if it is the same as with every other game with stacking item upgrades, you would then buy your upgrades with a chance of failure which can be lowered with store-bought items. it is not set in stone that this will come to pass in the western markets, but it speaks volumes.
where are we at now, don't we deserve anything anymore?
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
head0r, its a sensible stance to take.... in a perfect world, but this isnt a perfect world and this disgusting mob of bandwagon jumping, immaturity, and toxic part-time keyboard warriors that likes to think of itself as part of the wider more level-headed community are all too happy to disregard the fact that this is indeed just one of a number of projects, would you still be so keen to jump ship if you also had full knowledge and experience of the other games that were in development?
Because yes i agree Immortal alone might, MIGHT (if i was holding the CM position) have me looking for a different position, but it isnt alone, and at this point, work on new games is confirmed, and in those circumstances im not so sure this is something worth resigning over. For me its more a chance for someone much higher and more representative of Blizzard as a whole to step forward. make the necessary apology and follow it up with some genuine, tangible restraint and reigning in of the companys ego, which at this moment in time is talking a much better game than it is actually creating, since reskin remaster and rebrand is all thats on offer.
Nick, if you were trying to link something, it didnt work.
we don't know and it isn't confirmed that there is a "real" diablo game in the works. we know of a d4 rumour, we know of the rumour two game directors they already went through and with that the two alleged reboots. therefore we can assume that a new, "real" diablo game won't hit us until at least 2022. 2024 would be more realistic if we extend the timeline of D3 announcement and release by two plausible years.
that is six years from now on, IF they can re-staff enough and IF they manage to attach some new good names for a rather hated-upon franchise at the moment. who wants to be the successor of 'fuck that loser' wilson and 'we LOVE diablo' cheng?
also, these "projects" they talk about? comics got cancelled, book delayed (cancelled too?), netflix series maybe in the works. what if all this stuff postpones d4 announcement to the 25th anniversary and release to the 30th? hopefully they return to d3 for a change and develop ANYTHING in this wreck.
I won't be playing this, but I hope some of the more encouraging comments about it prove to be true. I have no interest in mobile games, but if anything brings "them" closer to making a game as entertaining as Diablo 3 has been for me I'm all for it.
I'm not hip enough on the various ins and outs,so back to playing for me.
let me ask you a serious question: how are you playing your games? would you mind to play on a phone / tablet for an extended period of time? would you pull an allnighter if a new diablo has addictive gameplay? do you have mobile hardware for diablo? and, if you play and like it very much and you spend money on it, would you hope that blizzard uses that money to fuel the next pc version of diablo or further their mobile gaming?
sorry man, i spun your metaphor the correct way and how it went down with diablo.
also: IF, and that is a big if, diablo 4 is in production, we won't see it until they are done with immortal as it is the new game and not some sidegame like it was with fallout shelter to fallout 4. if two years seem plausible to you, we have to wait until at least 2021 for a new diablo pc game.
but hey, let's just roll over and not voice our concern for the direction this company is taking. let's just gobble that shit up.
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
I don't understand all the negativity. They told us D4 wouldn't be there...
It's like if you went to a Texas Road House for some steak. You are super hungry. You love rib-eye. Rib-eye is your favorite food. You had to wait 45 minutes for a table, which sucks, but you finally sit down. The waiter comes around and after you tell him you want your rib-eye, he says ok we'll get that started. What kind of dressing do you want on your house salad. THEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE!!! Texas road house offers me a salad? Are they crazy? They have lost touch with their customers. Customers want meat. Why aren't they offering me another steak? Texas road house is nothing more than corporate cash grabbing pigs. They just want to charge me for a side salad. Why do they want to bring me a salad before I eat rib-eye?? I just want rib-eye right now! No rolls, no salad, no drinks, I just want meat! I will make a yelp account just to give a 1 star rating just so the rest of the world knows how much a vegetable loving piece of crap Texas road house has become!
Or like...you could just enjoy some ranch dressing while your precious rib-eye is being made....lol.
Diablo Immortal is nothing more than a house salad. Chill out people, you're acting like a 1 year old at the booth.
yeah, no. totally wrong comparison.
1. they release vanilla d3 in 2012. for many people a shitshow, i liked it and the RMAH to sell stuff for good money.
2. they release RoS in 2014, kill the only revenue stream outside of box sales, implement rifts as endgame content.
3. they release nothing really spectacular which isn't a deviation from the RoS content (rift, grift, crift, forgetting something?).
4. they add the anniversary filter and call it a day.
5. they hype us with a nevalistis video in august 2018.
6. they pull back a few days shy of blizzcon and say that they don't show everything.
7. they show immortal to a bunch of die hard pc diablo fans.
if we were to use your "example": the rib-eye would feature a relatively new recipe than the traditional rib-eye, it would lack some flavor of the former and wouldn't be as satisfying to eat, texas road house would then add something to the dish which would make it a lot more tasty. but after five years you are fed up and can't eat that anymore when all of a sudden texas road house tells you that the rib-con 2018 would be YOUR rib-con since you are such a devout rib-eye-eater. then they would parade her PR specialist rib-eye-listis around with a video where she explains that the ovens are burning hot at texas road house and you would be SO delighted and when the rib-con finally arrives you would go there and be like WHERESMYRIBEYEARRR and they'd be like: "we have this great rib-eye experience and now we are offering you homeopathic rib-eye-pills. ON. THE. GO. you can eat them wherever you want and we promise you: they are exactly like the rib-eye you know, they are the full-fledged flavor!".
would that satisfy you in any meaningful way? would you feel that you've been deceived? was it actively deceiving? should they work on something new, present that and present something mobile somewhere along the way? anyway, they shouldn't do this in front of a crowd of enthusiasts..
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when i see the large inflated numbers and no other issues addressed.. one guy could have developed the upcoming season.
as paradox as it now is, i even would have welcomed some mobile diablo action from netease probably without any afterthought if blizzard would've shown d4 before / after. really strange when you look at it now.
MTX are okay, paid cosmetics give a choice. let the players have set drops, but make them visually different. more bland but still unique for max level softcore under torment X / whatever an equivalent rift level is. really sweet for torment X / rift with added effects, the version one has to strive for. oh, and torment X should be hard and hardcore should have their own version for the higher one. then have a store version of that set like in heroes of the storm but with a completely different theme. not immersion-breaking but enough to have a player fork over 2-4$ for the permanent addition to transmog since there are a lot of possible items to pay for.
- you would have something visually appealing insted of a higher number on your portrait.
- you would have a goal to uniquely customize your character.
- you would have the ability to add themes. for example: season 16 - 18 wouldn't have ANOTHER rerun of conqueror but instead offer a unique look for these three seasons and the reward for helm/shoulder etc. transmogs plus you can monetize the game with another round of store cosmetics for that season. at this point, one should forego the season formula and maybe put Season 16 - Chapter 1 to 3 for a duration of nine months and for each chapter there will be the reward. you could theme around a specific enemy type or a faction. it would go with season specific buffs or mutators which alter the experience in that time period.
sorry, i got carried away for the moment. but when even a small guy like me just incorporates two features from WoW (tier sets have different color / effects depending on the difficulty they drop in) and HotS (each hero has a standard skin, unlocks a master skin and you can buy a plethora of cosmetics in the store) as one possible feature for diablo 3 while waiting for the breakfast break, blizzard should think about something like that too. i want to stress that i don't think that high of me, it just came into my head as something which could really be some non-invasive stuff for the most players and which could monetize the game for further development. surely you would need some HD textures on those dated models / sets. models looked crappy since before the release.
OKAY. enough now from me.
with a bigger staff they could do this cosmetic MTX thing a lot better than doing a mobile version where netease probably will do stuff like blizzard does in WoW/HotS. just sayin'.
exactly. i enjoy a few mobile games regularly in intervals of about four hours for a few minutes. but nothing beats climbing on the gaming throne and firing up the gaming rig.
if the whole market was mobile and blizzard would defiantly stand against it with diablo - okay. time to adapt. right now it isn't a good decision without a major pc game backing the whole thing up.
the problem is, that she is indeed posting here and there about some switch bugs and subsequently gets attacked due to unresolved DI/D3/D4/BlizzCon issues which are still present. if she were truly silent whilst taking feedback, this whole pit of clowns would eat themselves and hate the franchise forever. blizzard, doing the math, accepts a few hundredthousands as a casualty but has millions upon millions of MAUs in the future.
they couldn't care less.
and i think this will dawn on a lot of people in the coming weeks. despite all the ruckus, we will be abandoned. we won't be heard anymore. DI forums will be full of angry d1-d3 players whom will be heavily moderated out of this world, that will die down. metacritic will see a massive spike of negativity on the first listing of DI, that will die down. then there will be silence up until the first glimpse of some majestic d4 footage and many will come back. blizzard will be best boy.
a bit terrifying, to say the least. no community should be treated this way and this is also one of the concerns of the CM. but, like you said, how would anyone get this child out of the well? what can nev post to soothe this? i wouldn't even know by now.
you are totally right and i would count the lazy pun as more of a friendly jab. but the rest i've said isn't against the devs. it isn't against nevalistis. it IS against the community manager job. that job is done poorly, very poorly. the CM is the liaison between the playerbase and whatever is on blizzards side.
- we have five posts on May 1.
- two posts on May 2.
+ 28 days +
- one post on May 30.
+ 70 days +
- two posts on Aug 8, the day of the hype video.
+ 54 days +
- one post on Oct 1.
+ 37 days +
- two posts. one generic about forum stuff, one is the quick word from blizzard
when i look at blues from WoW.. yeah, we have a very inactive CM position. again, it is the CM and not the person. if the CM isn't given anything to work with, the CM cannot post it. should the CM engage more, especially after this blizzcon? what do you think? should the CM try to fan the flames somehow, anyhow? at least SOMEHOW give us the feeling that this isn't the light at the end of the tunnel? or worse, the light from a brighter, more mobile future as it is..
i don't have anything against her. but reading about one MVP from 2013 who broke into tears and who knows as much as we do is really gruesome. not standing by the community isn't very nice in these trying times. i think we all would like to hear something. taking our feedback over the last years did nothing, maybe we could be provided with any info about multiple projects? at this point, even the smallest morsels seem to be nice..
Betrayal - Immortal Syndicate.
damn guy, diablo really got turned into a meme and everyone is having his way with it. nice one.
speaking of witch (pun, you know): is this how it is going to be? they absolutely alienate their playerbase "PC" at blizzcon to merge "PC" with "MOBILE" on the day of the release for more "CONSOLE" (funny thing is, that DI won't run on a mobile platform like the switch), only to find themselves get shat on, have their stocks crash and thousands of diablo players only want answers or at the very least some communication.
instead of going into full damage recovery, they let aforementioned CM brood over an answer to the community for three full days and let her release a weak "we hear you". they still want feedback on top of the past three years of feedback after RoS went stale and *poof* she vanishes. her post history as a blue CM is strange indeed, after may 2018 you barely get one page worthy of replies to any matters (including someone asking where the blues are):
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/search?a=Nevalistis
so, the backlash came and went. it is still burning, no one is talking and blizzards conference call sends more mobile signs. if everybody would stop being angry with blizzard at this point, nothing would happen until DI release. they would just be happy that all the anger died down. is this really the way you want to solve this situation? is this everything we get TWELVE DAYS after blizzcon?
oh and let us not forget this great picture floating around where netease tells blizzard how they should monetize DI:
if it is the same as with every other game with stacking item upgrades, you would then buy your upgrades with a chance of failure which can be lowered with store-bought items. it is not set in stone that this will come to pass in the western markets, but it speaks volumes.
where are we at now, don't we deserve anything anymore?
phew, such a post coming from bagstone surely is gut-wrenching.
i don't know why nobody inside blizzard can leak the status of the diablo dev team. "team for number 4 exists and has 140 people currently."
shouldn't be too hard.
we don't know and it isn't confirmed that there is a "real" diablo game in the works. we know of a d4 rumour, we know of the rumour two game directors they already went through and with that the two alleged reboots. therefore we can assume that a new, "real" diablo game won't hit us until at least 2022. 2024 would be more realistic if we extend the timeline of D3 announcement and release by two plausible years.
that is six years from now on, IF they can re-staff enough and IF they manage to attach some new good names for a rather hated-upon franchise at the moment. who wants to be the successor of 'fuck that loser' wilson and 'we LOVE diablo' cheng?
also, these "projects" they talk about? comics got cancelled, book delayed (cancelled too?), netflix series maybe in the works. what if all this stuff postpones d4 announcement to the 25th anniversary and release to the 30th? hopefully they return to d3 for a change and develop ANYTHING in this wreck.
let me ask you a serious question: how are you playing your games? would you mind to play on a phone / tablet for an extended period of time? would you pull an allnighter if a new diablo has addictive gameplay? do you have mobile hardware for diablo? and, if you play and like it very much and you spend money on it, would you hope that blizzard uses that money to fuel the next pc version of diablo or further their mobile gaming?
sorry man, i spun your metaphor the correct way and how it went down with diablo.
also: IF, and that is a big if, diablo 4 is in production, we won't see it until they are done with immortal as it is the new game and not some sidegame like it was with fallout shelter to fallout 4. if two years seem plausible to you, we have to wait until at least 2021 for a new diablo pc game.
but hey, let's just roll over and not voice our concern for the direction this company is taking. let's just gobble that shit up.
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
yeah, no. totally wrong comparison.
1. they release vanilla d3 in 2012. for many people a shitshow, i liked it and the RMAH to sell stuff for good money.
2. they release RoS in 2014, kill the only revenue stream outside of box sales, implement rifts as endgame content.
3. they release nothing really spectacular which isn't a deviation from the RoS content (rift, grift, crift, forgetting something?).
4. they add the anniversary filter and call it a day.
5. they hype us with a nevalistis video in august 2018.
6. they pull back a few days shy of blizzcon and say that they don't show everything.
7. they show immortal to a bunch of die hard pc diablo fans.
if we were to use your "example": the rib-eye would feature a relatively new recipe than the traditional rib-eye, it would lack some flavor of the former and wouldn't be as satisfying to eat, texas road house would then add something to the dish which would make it a lot more tasty. but after five years you are fed up and can't eat that anymore when all of a sudden texas road house tells you that the rib-con 2018 would be YOUR rib-con since you are such a devout rib-eye-eater. then they would parade her PR specialist rib-eye-listis around with a video where she explains that the ovens are burning hot at texas road house and you would be SO delighted and when the rib-con finally arrives you would go there and be like WHERESMYRIBEYEARRR and they'd be like: "we have this great rib-eye experience and now we are offering you homeopathic rib-eye-pills. ON. THE. GO. you can eat them wherever you want and we promise you: they are exactly like the rib-eye you know, they are the full-fledged flavor!".
would that satisfy you in any meaningful way? would you feel that you've been deceived? was it actively deceiving? should they work on something new, present that and present something mobile somewhere along the way? anyway, they shouldn't do this in front of a crowd of enthusiasts..