I wanted the original game to be great, and I had the same hopes for RoS.
For people like me who spend way too much time gaming, I just feel that there isn't enough draw to keep going after a few weeks of heavy play. It's a bit of a disappointment for me and probably many others like me, as a lot of us had high hopes.
I asked this question the way I did because the way in which it's answered shows a point where someone may not be willing to invest the time anymore. It ties the math to the actual human experience of playing the game. If you reach a point with your character where you haven't seen a reasonable upgrade in 100 hours would you be ok with that? How about 200 hours? At what point does it become more of a chore than fun? At what point do you just stop playing?
Drop tinkering will sadly never solve this problem. That's what ladder seasons are for.
In my opinion, tinkering won't fix any of the loot problems. The system needs a full overhaul from A to Z.
Quote from WD Jesus I asked the simple question: How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades?
So far the only answer I've seen is that months between upgrades is an acceptable timeframe. I disagree.
You seem to be acting dense on purpose.
This is a perfect fit with my first impressions of this forum. Are insults really helpful to a meaningful dialogue?
I asked this question the way I did because the way in which it's answered shows a point where someone may not be willing to invest the time anymore. It ties the math to the actual human experience of playing the game. If you reach a point with your character where you haven't seen a reasonable upgrade in 100 hours would you be ok with that? How about 200 hours? At what point does it become more of a chore than fun? At what point do you just stop playing?
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Good. Posting whining threads about RNG drops has been discussed quite a bit and the consensus among the community is "F#@# that."
I'm part of the community, and I disagree with you. You don't speak for the community any more than the OP does.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
So you suggest that even after getting several substantial upgrades, that the upgrades should keep coming? Please explain to me mathematically how such a universe could exist. You do realize that the nature of upgrading your character necessarily reduces the chance for upgrades in the future, right?
It sounds like you're saying "You should get a lot of upgrades even when you have great gear". Sorry but that's quite impossible from a design standpoint.
Well.. there is a WAY to give you what you're asking for, that would be to eliminate the chance for BiS items from anyone not already in T6. Make it so the best item you can get in T1 will only help you get to T4 or so at best. And have items scale up from there. So you get plenty of upgrades at T1, T2, T3, etc..That's not really my idea of a good plan. Also, once you reached T6 you'd be in the exact same place you're saying it's legitimate to complain about now, where you have good gear but complain about not getting "even better" gear.
It's not unreasonable to expect a progression of loot over the entire course of the game. The developers have said countless times: Diablo is about the promise of loot. When loot stops showing up, what's left to pursue?
Let me just add that the absolutely disgusting attitudes of some of the people posting in this thread are why the majority of people will never post a word. This thread is about Diablo 3 discussion, not about tearing people down for discussing the game.
I don't understand this forum... A few fans dictating how everyone feels, and if someone disagrees with you, you tell them to shut the F up?
Are you blind? Do you not see the distraught? The disappointment? The lack of fun? The community outcry?
Have you seen the official forums lately?
If you guys are satisfied with the way the game is now, it will never change.
There are many things that need to be fixed and changed in d3 for it to be on the same level as D2.
While you pacifists continue to sit back and say the game is fine the way it is, there will be hundreds more voicing their opinions trying to push this game to its full potential.
I don't go on the official forums because 99% of the threads are people like you complaining about not getting instant gratification with items.
If you're distraught, disappointed, not having fun, and crying.. here's a solution. quit the damn game. Short of someone holding a gun to your head telling you to play, what gives?
I'm not satisfied with the way the game is, but I make constructive posts that actually spur debate, I don't just bitch about how much shit sucks without giving any sort of solutions or ideas to make the game better. You've given 1 solution and a half ass solution. PVP, sadly they won't be doing much with this as skills and damage output is totally off the walls and will make PVP really retarded.
End game? I dunno if you've played diablo before..but you are playing the ''end game". The game has been out a little over a month...A MONTH!
If you want to voice your opinion, do it in a manner that doesn't scream "I WANT INSTANT GRATIFICATION" all over it.
Edit: I'm totally dead serious to bro!
Let's be realistic. How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades? 10 Hours? 20 Hours? 30 hours? Let's call a reasonable upgrade +1% of one of the three basic stats (Damage, Toughness, Healing). That 1% must be gained without losing any value on the other two stats, because otherwise it becomes a sidegrade at best. Example: +1.1% damage, +/-0.0% toughness, +/-0.0% healing.
I've run rifts for 3-4-5 days between upgrades this small! Overall my personal loot experience has basically been abysmal.
Overall the loot curve just sucks. When you're wearing garbage for the first 30-40 hours, the loot pace is actually really nice. You're getting significant upgrades every few hours and the feeling is great. You imagine every Leg drop you see could be exactly what you're after, so you think to yourself that you just have to put more work in and reach out and grab it.
Then you hit the wall. Your chances of getting a significant upgrade disspate before your eyes. You begin to hope only for reasonable upgrades (as I laid out above). Over time you go 10s of hours at a time or more without seeing anything even remotely usable.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
For people like me who spend way too much time gaming, I just feel that there isn't enough draw to keep going after a few weeks of heavy play. It's a bit of a disappointment for me and probably many others like me, as a lot of us had high hopes.
I asked this question the way I did because the way in which it's answered shows a point where someone may not be willing to invest the time anymore. It ties the math to the actual human experience of playing the game. If you reach a point with your character where you haven't seen a reasonable upgrade in 100 hours would you be ok with that? How about 200 hours? At what point does it become more of a chore than fun? At what point do you just stop playing?
I asked the simple question: How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades?
So far the only answer I've seen is that months between upgrades is an acceptable timeframe. I disagree.
I've run rifts for 3-4-5 days between upgrades this small! Overall my personal loot experience has basically been abysmal.
Overall the loot curve just sucks. When you're wearing garbage for the first 30-40 hours, the loot pace is actually really nice. You're getting significant upgrades every few hours and the feeling is great. You imagine every Leg drop you see could be exactly what you're after, so you think to yourself that you just have to put more work in and reach out and grab it.
Then you hit the wall. Your chances of getting a significant upgrade disspate before your eyes. You begin to hope only for reasonable upgrades (as I laid out above). Over time you go 10s of hours at a time or more without seeing anything even remotely usable.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.