But that's the point I was trying to make, they SHOULD cost the same... but they don't BECAUSE of inflation ^^
No, they should not. Lower supply and high demand ... in HC all want same gear corestat/highvit/allres. In SC players have more freedom in builds some want use taknky, some use glasscanon, some use balanced gear build.
There's no question that social options could use improvement. Hopefully Loot Runs and Nephalem Trials will help bring people together more. But until we get that or some type of lobby system, everyone will just keep rushing through the quests or playing solo.
Loot Run looks for me like no route farming... jump to random location kill all jump to another one ) just a bit automated
We know nothing about Nephalem Trials. I hope it's something cool ...
98% of the inflation on SC is due to bots... blame the botters and Blizzard not doing anything about them. Don't blame the game design.
You want proof, just log into HC AH and check their prices (on stuff that actually sells, not stuff that is listed for crazy amounts that no one buys).
I know about bots ... but w8 what if game will be less about money accumulation and more about party running with friends and doing random stuff ?
Just emagine .... power of this social tool
Random guy in chat : Hey i need to kill 800 skeletons who with me ?
all what we do now is solo grinding for gold. same route over and over ....
Ok. I get it guys... one think that smartdrop save economy, no he would not. Other one think that free legendaries save the day ... 4 legendary items granten for boss kills so it's doest count as found loot.
P.s. i'm not stuck ... i just dont like dead economy.
You obviously don't know what self found is... You find items by killing monsters. Loot 2.0 should make this a reasonable process if the console version has been any indication. If you can find your own items in a realistic pace then there will be no need to use the AH. Isn't that what your trying to say?
How much TOP grade items you found ? =| or at least MidTier (300-500kk) ? My score 0. So why you think it'll change in 2.0 ? Still AH best way to get Best items ... it seems nothing will change.
Since the main focus of the post is loot, all I'm going to say is loot 2.0 or console version. Self found appears to be possible, you just need to wait many months for it.
I'm fine with gold sinks and what you suggested would be nice. Honestly unless I buy gold I will never have the money to go beyond the gem gold sink so I could careless what rich people need to do for shit and giggles.
It's not just about loot... it's also about play style and ways of achiving main goal BEST gear.
After loot 2.0 you will buy best items only from you class) but i dont want to buy... i want earn it by playing game. Not just one route all day GOLD hunt. It's boring.
Before i start talking about MY ideas and thoughts I must apologize for my English. This is not my native language.
My post will be about my own ideas and mrmonstrosity and his post .
To begin, I will say that this is my personal opinion and I am always ready to discuss it.
MAIN IDEA
We are gamers - not brokers.
I want to play to be better, but i dont want trade all day long.
Make game less money oriented. Money need for fun - but they are not the main goal.
THOUGHTS.
Now the game is more like a simulation of Wall Street. All you need now - it's more money. Item hunt ? pfff NO. You dont want to play the game ... аnd it's sad.
Now I will explain...
The main problem is inflation ... What if I told you that main problem not inflation. THE MAIN PROBLE is that you no longer want to play... People who stare endlessly in AH not playing any more... MORE MONEY => BETTER GEAR => MORE MONEY => BETTER GEAR. Boring ... Why you need gear if you dont use it ?
New players cant effort anything usefull till they get some "Lucky drop" (i still w8 for this)
What can you do with it? Nothing at this point...
There are many ways to make the game less money oriented. (but who will listen to a random guy ? rly... )
All shout about inflation. Because it is now nearly impossible to buy GOOD items (i mean realy good) To do this, you need to sell 2-3 GOOD by yourself (i'm monk 53 paragon, still have about 50-60kk... cant effort any good item 300-500kk) Fair enough you say... NO... you need AH 24/7 to get the best equipment... it's wrong.
You can say : WHINER. May be ... but i'm bored of gold hunt.
PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME !!!
that what you need to shout ...
How ? Easy = more rewards for thouse who actualy playing.
1) Loot 2.0 Greay idea, but not as good as it could be ....
2) Mystic .... Yeah reroll (I think Blizzard is trying to make another gold withdrawal... why ? JUST MAKE GAME LESS MONEY ORIENTED)
2.1) More random, acceptable gold price (not 20kk again... that was terrible idea) = cant reroll 1 stat (2-3 stats) Do you think you're lucky - try it.
Some forum joke post: L: Lucky guy who rolled nice mace for barb(but he is monk) B: Barb WHO WANT DAT MACE
L: Hallo buddys : Have nice mace with average str/vit/crtdmg WTT on same grade mace agi/vit/crtdmg
B: Hallo buddy I WANT DAT MACE !! i dont hav mace but i hav zis nice agi/vit/crtdmg axe\spear\sword trade PLZ
Why you need this ? oh now i'll tell you why ...
2.2) ITEM UPGRADE ( mrmonstrosity idea, slightly revised ) He offers Gold hunt again 80kk ... 160kk ... it's wrong. We are gamers - not brokers. I have a better solution RANDOMSIDE QUESTS (w00t is this guy talking about, he is CRAZY) its RPG afterall.
Time for some joke dialog: M: Mystic P: Poor monk who dont want waste his time at AH
M:Wanna upgrade ? Easy ... What is your item lvl and what stat do you want to upgrade ?
P: ilvl 60 and its crit dmg 40% i want MORE DMG! Madam could you do something ?
M: Sure i can upgrade crit dmg to 45% you've got to do something on your own... i mean some rpg things... go kill 300 skeletons or clear 10 random dungeons with full party(This is just an example, dont rage... bot guard? ok kill 150 skeletons from act 1 kill 30 succubs and 100 worms from act 2) and i need some gold 300k i think it's fine ... but next one will be more costly ( depends on how far from cap). Plus i need some crafting reagents ( again some mrmonstrosity idea, closer to cap more\rare reagents )
P: WHAT ? You say i can stop stare AH ? And do some rgp runs ? not just same path ... its boring you know. Yap i ready for this mam.
M: Good boy. Go get some fun.
3) Crafting. WE NEED MORE CRAFTING (more reagents, rare, legendary) and plz dont make another gold withdrawal.
4) Achivements with bonuses ( mrmonstrosity this is a great idea )
ABOUT GOLD.
Now you begin to ask me : "Why do i need gold then?"
SIMPLE, GOLD FOR FUN. Plus you can still buy some items from AH if you need it.
1) Dropable RARE, LEGENDARY Dyes you can sell it and buy it and do what ever you want with it.
2) Transmogrification. want look like a boss - you need to pay for it. More ideas here: transmogrif pages, even transmogrif legendary items - very expensive.
3) Actualy not just for fun. More punishment for risky playing. Costly repair + more item dmg on death.
4) If you are rich you need more comfort then other ? Yep i'm right.
4.1) Don't like Side quest => reroll it!
4.2) You want instant revive HERE AND NOW i know it ... this pesky gold goblin running away. Sure buy some totems/runes expendable and expensive of course ( this things will not work in some zones probably )
4.3) Some buff potions. All want run faster, easy 15k(random number) and you get +20% speed buff for 300 sec (again random number)
Here you can add alot of potions .... but main problem will be balance right ? Easy max 2 potion buffs.
It's not just about speed, armor, stats and other things. It's about gold spending. You want withdraw you got it.
4.4) Rich guys love to do less and get same profit. Let them buy keys and even complete portals ... VERY EXPENSIVE. ( i'm not sure about it ... but you WANT DAT GOLD WITHDRAW )
4.5) Bigger stash ... obv all want it.
4.6) BIGGER INVENTORY .... ALL WANT IT HERE AND RIGHT NOW. But it will cost ALOT of gold. (how about 100kk for first 2 rows ?)
4.7) More crafting ? Ok you can buy reagents ...
4.8) More and more and more ways to make rich players feel comfortable, look nice, feel better then other.
Discussion.
In the end i'll discuss some mrmonstrosity ideas.
YES HE HAVE GOOD IDEAS, but not all ...
Rewarding the Hunt
Yes, yes, yes ... and one more yes. Great idea, achievements with bonuses... why not ? i'll wont stop this is a great reward for playing.
Magic find
Stop right there criminal... you know what i mean(even if this from another game). This idea is terrible ... what about ppl who play 1hour max. Just NO. i dont like it ....
Crafting and Mystic
Already said alot about it. Many great ideas.
Legendary Items
Yep we need some realy Legendary items ... Legendary Runes ? Why not. Items that affect my abilities and passives ? Great. Allow barb to one hand twohanded items ? NO NO NO ... i know you want double skorn. But it will ruin all game balance ... like manticore 2 sockets + quiver (totaly imbalanced )
In Conclusion
If you made it this far in my badly designed post I salute you and thank you very much for taking the time to look over my ideas( yeah i know... but my eng terrible i must copy paste some nice sentence). I realy love ITEM HUNT... but i dont want hunt items on AH. I think lots of you too, at least i hope so.
I think by working together, the Diablo community and Blizzard, we'll finally get to the point where we can call Diablo III the greatest ARPG every created.
Collaboration and discussion the key to success.
Thank you.
P.s.
You want discuss, i know it... dont be shy we all have something to say.
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No, they should not. Lower supply and high demand ... in HC all want same gear corestat/highvit/allres. In SC players have more freedom in builds some want use taknky, some use glasscanon, some use balanced gear build.
Loot Run looks for me like no route farming... jump to random location kill all jump to another one ) just a bit automated
We know nothing about Nephalem Trials. I hope it's something cool ...
I know about bots ... but w8 what if game will be less about money accumulation and more about party running with friends and doing random stuff ?
Just emagine .... power of this social tool
Random guy in chat : Hey i need to kill 800 skeletons who with me ?
all what we do now is solo grinding for gold. same route over and over ....
Sure nothing ... allow players to craft any item they realy need (time,patience and resources) sure it wouldn't help .... but its my opinion.
BTW..
There is no BOTS on console )
P.s. i'm not stuck ... i just dont like dead economy.
How much TOP grade items you found ? =| or at least MidTier (300-500kk) ? My score 0. So why you think it'll change in 2.0 ? Still AH best way to get Best items ... it seems nothing will change.
It's not just about loot... it's also about play style and ways of achiving main goal BEST gear.
After loot 2.0 you will buy best items only from you class) but i dont want to buy... i want earn it by playing game. Not just one route all day GOLD hunt. It's boring.
My post will be about my own ideas and mrmonstrosity and his post .
To begin, I will say that this is my personal opinion and I am always ready to discuss it.
Now the game is more like a simulation of Wall Street. All you need now - it's more money. Item hunt ? pfff NO. You dont want to play the game ... аnd it's sad.
Now I will explain...
The main problem is inflation ... What if I told you that main problem not inflation. THE MAIN PROBLE is that you no longer want to play... People who stare endlessly in AH not playing any more... MORE MONEY => BETTER GEAR => MORE MONEY => BETTER GEAR. Boring ...
Why you need gear if you dont use it ?
New players cant effort anything usefull till they get some "Lucky drop" (i still w8 for this)
What can you do with it? Nothing at this point...
There are many ways to make the game less money oriented. (but who will listen to a random guy ? rly... )
All shout about inflation. Because it is now nearly impossible to buy GOOD items (i mean realy good) To do this, you need to sell 2-3 GOOD by yourself (i'm monk 53 paragon, still have about 50-60kk... cant effort any good item 300-500kk) Fair enough you say... NO... you need AH 24/7 to get the best equipment... it's wrong.
You can say : WHINER. May be ... but i'm bored of gold hunt.
How ? Easy = more rewards for thouse who actualy playing.
1) Loot 2.0 Greay idea, but not as good as it could be ....
2) Mystic .... Yeah reroll (I think Blizzard is trying to make another gold withdrawal... why ? JUST MAKE GAME LESS MONEY ORIENTED)
2.1) More random, acceptable gold price (not 20kk again... that was terrible idea) = cant reroll 1 stat (2-3 stats) Do you think you're lucky - try it.
Some forum joke post: L: Lucky guy who rolled nice mace for barb(but he is monk) B: Barb WHO WANT DAT MACE
L: Hallo buddys : Have nice mace with average str/vit/crtdmg WTT on same grade mace agi/vit/crtdmg
B: Hallo buddy I WANT DAT MACE !! i dont hav mace but i hav zis nice agi/vit/crtdmg axe\spear\sword trade PLZ
Why you need this ? oh now i'll tell you why ...
2.2) ITEM UPGRADE ( mrmonstrosity idea, slightly revised ) He offers Gold hunt again 80kk ... 160kk ... it's wrong. We are gamers - not brokers. I have a better solution RANDOM SIDE QUESTS (w00t is this guy talking about, he is CRAZY) its RPG afterall.
Time for some joke dialog: M: Mystic P: Poor monk who dont want waste his time at AH
M:Wanna upgrade ? Easy ... What is your item lvl and what stat do you want to upgrade ?
P: ilvl 60 and its crit dmg 40% i want MORE DMG! Madam could you do something ?
M: Sure i can upgrade crit dmg to 45% you've got to do something on your own... i mean some rpg things... go kill 300 skeletons or clear 10 random dungeons with full party(This is just an example, dont rage... bot guard? ok kill 150 skeletons from act 1 kill 30 succubs and 100 worms from act 2) and i need some gold 300k i think it's fine ... but next one will be more costly ( depends on how far from cap). Plus i need some crafting reagents ( again some mrmonstrosity idea, closer to cap more\rare reagents )
P: WHAT ? You say i can stop stare AH ? And do some rgp runs ? not just same path ... its boring you know. Yap i ready for this mam.
M: Good boy. Go get some fun.
3) Crafting. WE NEED MORE CRAFTING (more reagents, rare, legendary) and plz dont make another gold withdrawal.
4) Achivements with bonuses ( mrmonstrosity this is a great idea )
Now you begin to ask me : "Why do i need gold then?"
SIMPLE, GOLD FOR FUN. Plus you can still buy some items from AH if you need it.
1) Dropable RARE, LEGENDARY Dyes you can sell it and buy it and do what ever you want with it.
2) Transmogrification. want look like a boss - you need to pay for it. More ideas here: transmogrif pages, even transmogrif legendary items - very expensive.
3) Actualy not just for fun. More punishment for risky playing. Costly repair + more item dmg on death.
4) If you are rich you need more comfort then other ? Yep i'm right.
4.1) Don't like Side quest => reroll it!
4.2) You want instant revive HERE AND NOW i know it ... this pesky gold goblin running away. Sure buy some totems/runes expendable and expensive of course ( this things will not work in some zones probably )
4.3) Some buff potions. All want run faster, easy 15k(random number) and you get +20% speed buff for 300 sec (again random number)
Here you can add alot of potions .... but main problem will be balance right ? Easy max 2 potion buffs.
It's not just about speed, armor, stats and other things. It's about gold spending. You want withdraw you got it.
4.4) Rich guys love to do less and get same profit. Let them buy keys and even complete portals ... VERY EXPENSIVE. ( i'm not sure about it ... but you WANT DAT GOLD WITHDRAW )
4.5) Bigger stash ... obv all want it.
4.6) BIGGER INVENTORY .... ALL WANT IT HERE AND RIGHT NOW. But it will cost ALOT of gold. (how about 100kk for first 2 rows ?)
4.7) More crafting ? Ok you can buy reagents ...
4.8) More and more and more ways to make rich players feel comfortable, look nice, feel better then other.
In the end i'll discuss some mrmonstrosity ideas.
YES HE HAVE GOOD IDEAS, but not all ...
Rewarding the Hunt
Yes, yes, yes ... and one more yes. Great idea, achievements with bonuses... why not ? i'll wont stop this is a great reward for playing.
Magic find
Stop right there criminal... you know what i mean(even if this from another game). This idea is terrible ... what about ppl who play 1hour max. Just NO. i dont like it ....
Crafting and Mystic
Already said alot about it. Many great ideas.
Legendary Items
Yep we need some realy Legendary items ... Legendary Runes ? Why not. Items that affect my abilities and passives ? Great. Allow barb to one hand twohanded items ? NO NO NO ... i know you want double skorn. But it will ruin all game balance ... like manticore 2 sockets + quiver (totaly imbalanced
In Conclusion
If you made it this far in my badly designed post I salute you and thank you very much for taking the time to look over my ideas( yeah i know... but my eng terrible i must copy paste some nice sentence). I realy love ITEM HUNT... but i dont want hunt items on AH. I think lots of you too, at least i hope so.
I think by working together, the Diablo community and Blizzard, we'll finally get to the point where we can call Diablo III the greatest ARPG every created.
Collaboration and discussion the key to success.
Thank you.
P.s.
You want discuss, i know it... dont be shy we all have something to say.