Look, another person who can't read posts. I already debunked the so called "evidence." If you got your heads out of the depths of your rectums, you'd see that.
Apparently Diablofans is a hater of Freedom of Expression.
No surprise. This place went rapidly down the shitter after it actually got popular.
Hey Dauroth, when Diablo 3 is released, remember this thread and try to act surprised when you find out that I'm right.
The Black Abyss from Diablo Universe is not the abyss you are referring to!
Ok then Chris Metzen, what is it?
We never actually killed Diablo! We just destroyed the body which housed his soul! When the Soulstone was destroyed, his soul returned to the place where it was spawned a long time ago, and there is nothing preventing him from coming back from there!
Ok Mr. Metzen.
The interviewer asked Jay what is the storyline of Diablo III! We are talking about Diablo III, not its expansions! It's pretty obvious, actually!
It's nice to know that you know the context Jay Wilson was speaking in despite not being present at the interview.
Not to mention, the key word that I mentioned in the post being ultimately
I know, I just wanted to show that Diablo IS coming back!
Diablo's coming back? The villain the entire series of games based in Sanctuary has focused on so far is coming back?
You must be psychic.
No, wait. You're not Chris Metzen, you're Jay Wilson! That explains everything.
The fact that Tyrael tells you this moments after you finished the quest for Diablo!
Quoting Tyrael:
Praise be to the Light! You have accomplished the impossible. Diablo and Mephisto have been banished back into the Black Abyss that spawned them, and the corrupted Soulstones are no more.
Do you know what an abyss is? Here, I'll post the dictionary definition so you don't have to look it up; Abyss: A bottomless or unfathomed depth, gulf, or chasm; hence, any deep, immeasurable, and, specifically, hell, or the bottomless pit. So basically by destroying Diablo we sent him back to the place we killed him in.. Awesome.
The keyword here is Black Abyss, aka the place you're at when you're dead. A blank, seemingly infinite nothingness. Derp.
Okay, they did confirm that Azmodan and Belial will appear in this game, but they also confirmed that Diablo is in the game!
Quote from Jay Wilson:
Diablo 3 is an action role-playing game where you play the role of one of five heroes trying to save the world of humanity, we call it Sanctuary, from hideous demon invaders and ultimately Diablo.
He's not dead huh? Ok, what makes you the authority on who and who is not dead in the world of Sanctuary? Are you Chris Metzen in disguise? Oh wait, nope.
Oh, and you know this...how?
Not that I don't believe you, I'm just being curious!
It's really not that hard to pick up on. With the 2 lesser evils having emphasis put on them in this game, you really don't think they'd uncover them early on? It's called logic.
Again...you know this how?
If you bothered reading Bashiok's posts (or anybody's for that matter) you'd see him often saying he has to ask Jay or somebody else to be able to answer a question, or to be corrected on something. Shows how involved he is with the game development, doesn't it? I don't feel like digging through his posts to find the specific posts I speak of, but they exist.
My point is, you have no proof of your claims, while my proof is valid, and it doesn't really matter what do you think about it! You're pulling these things out of your socks and claim that we are all wrong and that you're right about everything! You have a right on your opinion, like everyone else! If you don't believe that's Diablo, then don't! I care not! But don't try to force others to believe what you believe! It's obviously not working with me and Ophion, and I'm sure there are others!
Under what circumstances are your evidences classified as "valid"? They're from official sources sure, but from ones that aren't involved with the game development itself. A quote from a game developer saying it is Diablo, the Lord of Terror would be significantly more credible, believable, and "valid" than the shitsmear that resembles text of which you decided to label as "evidence"
The statue was made showing a Barbarian defeating the demon in the cinematic. This demon is referred to as Diablo by the person that did the caption for the statue, the D3 music composer, and Bashiok. They all refer to the same demon, and they are all mistaken. Sound pretty far-fetched to me.
1. I would understand it if Bashiok did a mistake with a minor demon, but that is Big D, and Bashiok is a Blizzard employee. It is not like that is a minor detail like a peculiar looking tree in Act 3, but Diablo. Do you seriously think that Bashiok doesn't know who Diablo is in D3? Do you really think he would guess? Do you really think he have not been told who it is and allowed to answer that question?
2. The name of the demon defeated in the Overthrown statue, Diablo, is wrong. Even if it is featured on the Diablo 3 official website it has not been corrected. You believe that the description and statue have not been seen by several Blizzard employees and corrected. I assume that you therefore think that Jay or Leonard have not seen or been notified of this mistake. Correct me if I'm wrong.
3. Blizzard employees make guesses about important things that they then announce to the public, even if they are only allowed to talk about certain things. They are not allowed to reveal the final class, but they are allowed to say who the demon in the end of the cinematic is. They are allowed to say who it is as a fact, even if they are only guessing.
Every evidence, how full with holes it might be, points towards the fact that this is Diablo. There is no proof whatsoever of the opposite. Seek weaknesses and you will always find something that can be a reason for doubt.
From a scientific point of view, with the support of evidence, that is Diablo until the opposite has been proved.
Scientific view?
Hahahaha :wallbash:
Oh jesus, that's funny and idiotic simultaneously, like a Judd Apatow film. Hey buddy, ever heard of Burden of Proof? Logical fallacy? You know? No, you clearly don't.
Do you honestly think the game developers give a shit about what goes on the website?
And what the hells are you going on with this blizzard employee and guessing shit? Is English your second language? Because that's the only excuse for such poor sentence structure.
You really think that they'd tell Bashiok who the big demon is at the end of the cinematic and tell him it's ok to reveal who it is even though if Diablo was returning it'd be a huge component of the plot?
Here, I'll tell you who it is. It's Belial. One of the designers decided as an in joke, they'd design Belial's body to be structured in a feminine way. To poke fun at how women are deceptive.
Happy? Don't believe me? Don't care.
Yeah, he's barely involved with game development too. He mostly just parrots what he's told from the actual game developers.
He was on the team long before the game was even announced! He probably isn't much involved with game development, but he must know these things, otherwise, how could he reply on Battle.net Forums! In short, he knows more than you know!
Jesus, you guys just love jumping to conclusions based on paper thin "evidence"
Bashiok only knows what he's told. Like I said, if you had bothered to actually read.
If you guys want to be so scientific then the only thing you can claim to know is that Diablo is dead, and his soulstone destroyed. That is all you know for a fact. Everything else is sheer speculation, and to conclude otherwise is, as I mentioned previously, arrogant.
aaand who confirmed, that the demon in the cinematics is diablo? i think Septar is right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUphab6C0mQ&feature=related pay attention to this video at 2:36 - 2:54. u can clearly see that the creature there is the same from the trailer, aaand...hmm... i just dont think, that diablo has 4 arms, and is that skinny. and it looks like it is female...so...it isn't Diablo. (in my opinion)
From Diablo3.com:
Commemorating the exciting announcement of Diablo III, Blizzard Entertainment and Sideshow Collectibles are proud to introduce the Diablo III Premium Statue series with its epic first release. Unveiled at San Diego Comic-Con 2008, "Overthrown" depicts a mighty barbarian atop the conquered Diablo, shouting towards the High Heavens in vicious triumph.
Here's the Statue:
It's obviously the same demon! Now read this! This is Bashiok's quote from BlizzCast Episode 5 [1:12]:
Bashiok: It was standing room only obviously and yeah, it was a really cool way to intro. Having the guitarist come out and play those first few chords and then launch pretty much straight into the cinematic and yeah I don't think people were, they knew what was going on I think, but it seemed like they reserved their massive applause for really like the end of the cinematic when the Diablo head came out and they were like 'Okay it's Diablo' and then that logo shows up with the three and they're like ‘Okay, here it is' and just everybody went completely off the wall.
Look at this video at 0:48! This is Russell Brower (for those who don't know), the Music Composer for Diablo III!
He said "so by the time we played the video and saw Diablo roar"!
Everything points to the same Demon!
That's enough for me to conclude that it IS Diablo!
Do you have any idea how game development goes down? I'm going to assume no since you've drawn these conclusions from the sources you chose.
For one, the description of the statue wasn't even written by an employee involved with the Diablo 3 development. He was probably just shown the statue and was told to write up something about it.
And the music composer?
Really? Do you honestly think he is involved with the game development in depth enough to know whether or not that creature is actually Diablo? Guess what, he's not. In most cases music composers are told of what kind of music to compose and they do it, and the actual game developers listen to it and see if it's a fit. He might be shown clips(as is this case, for the D3 cinematic trailer music) and some concept art to get an idea of what to compose, otherwise he knows as much about the game and story as you do. So naturally, he thinks that the big mean monster at the end of the trailer is the big mean monster the game is named after. A foolish conclusion, but he's just composing music for it and not picking apart every follicle of the damn demon.
Give me a quote from Jay Wilson or Leonard Boyarsky confirming that the monster is Diablo, and you'll have a case.
I forgot about Bashiok.
Yeah, he's barely involved with game development too. He mostly just parrots what he's told from the actual game developers.
aaand who confirmed, that the demon in the cinematics is diablo? i think Septar is right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUphab6C0mQ&feature=related pay attention to this video at 2:36 - 2:54. u can clearly see that the creature there is the same from the trailer, aaand...hmm... i just dont think, that diablo has 4 arms, and is that skinny. and it looks like it is female...so...it isn't Diablo. (in my opinion)
not definitive evidence and arrogant conclusion based on said "evidence"
You guys don't have a facepalm emoticon so just imagine one in place of all this text.
Did you honestly need to post just to let people know that you're too lazy to read a couple of paragraphs?
Waiting for Diablo 3 in particular is a good thing. Adding a lot of content(unique items, loot and the like.) can take awhile, and the longer the game is in development, the more content you get out of the box.
Titan Quest was in development for 6 years. I have played through it on each difficulty about 5 times(15 complete playthroughs) and I was still finding epic and legendary weapons I didn't find before.
If just a week goes by after Diablo 3 releases and there's a database listing all the items in Diablo 3, then that would just be a disappointment.
If one feels compelled to cheat in a game, there's something wrong with the game... I'll go back to my original argument that maphack should simply not be advantageous and running through maps should not let anyone MF faster or w/e.
You know people create hacks to gain an advantage. Even if map hacks don't give any advantage, they'll make something that does.
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I'll look at his point and simply say: Finding your way sucked.
Exploring sucked. There was nothing worth your time unless you really enjoy so much killing every single monsters around (which I really did not).
I can say using a map hack -does- make the game -funnier-. It removes an annoyance out of the game.
You play Diablo 3 to pass the time don't you?
Nothing in Diablo 3 is really "worth your time" since you're probably playing Diablo 3 just to kill time.
Unless you're one of the people who does nothing but game.
I had a chance to play this AND diablo 3 at PAX, and well, to all of you saying "looks like a cheap rip off of diablo" these are the people who created diablo, so stop bad mouthing them please, they are a good and hard working team, and if the diablo 3 team worked half as hard as these guys instead of shooting eachother with toy guns (see the insider tours which were shown at blizzcon) we might be seeing d3 sooner.
Oh. My. God.
You're not serious?
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Apparently Diablofans is a hater of Freedom of Expression.
No surprise. This place went rapidly down the shitter after it actually got popular.
Hey Dauroth, when Diablo 3 is released, remember this thread and try to act surprised when you find out that I'm right.
Ok Mr. Metzen.
It's nice to know that you know the context Jay Wilson was speaking in despite not being present at the interview.
Not to mention, the key word that I mentioned in the post being ultimately
Diablo's coming back? The villain the entire series of games based in Sanctuary has focused on so far is coming back?
You must be psychic.
No, wait. You're not Chris Metzen, you're Jay Wilson! That explains everything.
The keyword here is Black Abyss, aka the place you're at when you're dead. A blank, seemingly infinite nothingness. Derp.
Further proof that you never read anybody's posts.
Keyword here is ultimately. That doesn't mean that Diablo is in the initial release of Diablo 3.
Plus that quote doesn't even prove that the demon you think is Diablo is actually him, which is the entire point of my posting in this thread.
It's really not that hard to pick up on. With the 2 lesser evils having emphasis put on them in this game, you really don't think they'd uncover them early on? It's called logic.
If you bothered reading Bashiok's posts (or anybody's for that matter) you'd see him often saying he has to ask Jay or somebody else to be able to answer a question, or to be corrected on something. Shows how involved he is with the game development, doesn't it? I don't feel like digging through his posts to find the specific posts I speak of, but they exist.
Under what circumstances are your evidences classified as "valid"? They're from official sources sure, but from ones that aren't involved with the game development itself. A quote from a game developer saying it is Diablo, the Lord of Terror would be significantly more credible, believable, and "valid" than the shitsmear that resembles text of which you decided to label as "evidence"
I'm not the one picking lame sources and calling it irrefutable evidence.
Scientific view?
Hahahaha :wallbash:
Oh jesus, that's funny and idiotic simultaneously, like a Judd Apatow film. Hey buddy, ever heard of Burden of Proof? Logical fallacy? You know? No, you clearly don't.
Do you honestly think the game developers give a shit about what goes on the website?
And what the hells are you going on with this blizzard employee and guessing shit? Is English your second language? Because that's the only excuse for such poor sentence structure.
You really think that they'd tell Bashiok who the big demon is at the end of the cinematic and tell him it's ok to reveal who it is even though if Diablo was returning it'd be a huge component of the plot?
Here, I'll tell you who it is. It's Belial. One of the designers decided as an in joke, they'd design Belial's body to be structured in a feminine way. To poke fun at how women are deceptive.
Happy? Don't believe me? Don't care.
Jesus, you guys just love jumping to conclusions based on paper thin "evidence"
Bashiok only knows what he's told. Like I said, if you had bothered to actually read.
If you guys want to be so scientific then the only thing you can claim to know is that Diablo is dead, and his soulstone destroyed. That is all you know for a fact. Everything else is sheer speculation, and to conclude otherwise is, as I mentioned previously, arrogant.
Do you have any idea how game development goes down? I'm going to assume no since you've drawn these conclusions from the sources you chose.
For one, the description of the statue wasn't even written by an employee involved with the Diablo 3 development. He was probably just shown the statue and was told to write up something about it.
And the music composer?
Really? Do you honestly think he is involved with the game development in depth enough to know whether or not that creature is actually Diablo? Guess what, he's not. In most cases music composers are told of what kind of music to compose and they do it, and the actual game developers listen to it and see if it's a fit. He might be shown clips(as is this case, for the D3 cinematic trailer music) and some concept art to get an idea of what to compose, otherwise he knows as much about the game and story as you do. So naturally, he thinks that the big mean monster at the end of the trailer is the big mean monster the game is named after. A foolish conclusion, but he's just composing music for it and not picking apart every follicle of the damn demon.
Give me a quote from Jay Wilson or Leonard Boyarsky confirming that the monster is Diablo, and you'll have a case.
I forgot about Bashiok.
Yeah, he's barely involved with game development too. He mostly just parrots what he's told from the actual game developers.
You can call the "main" boss of the game Diablo if you want but lore wise that's not the lord of terror.
You might find some other games set in Sanctuary, but they're not necessarily going to be primarily about stopping the invasion of hell.
Well, at least, not in the ARPG genre.
Get out.
The idiocy you just displayed in your post is astronomical.
Waiting for Diablo 3 in particular is a good thing. Adding a lot of content(unique items, loot and the like.) can take awhile, and the longer the game is in development, the more content you get out of the box.
Titan Quest was in development for 6 years. I have played through it on each difficulty about 5 times(15 complete playthroughs) and I was still finding epic and legendary weapons I didn't find before.
If just a week goes by after Diablo 3 releases and there's a database listing all the items in Diablo 3, then that would just be a disappointment.
You play Diablo 3 to pass the time don't you?
Nothing in Diablo 3 is really "worth your time" since you're probably playing Diablo 3 just to kill time.
Unless you're one of the people who does nothing but game.
Unless he has been honing his skills for 20 years(which he hasn't) he's clearly not going to be the best of fighters.
Not to mention he's 20 years older, and the demons have changed.
You're not serious?