All great posts, I love the fact that all of us differ so greatly on this topic and sadly this is an admission that I maybe to close to the production of Diablo 3. It is true that, if one chose to, step outside the information barrage and obtain information only in dribs and drabs. My point I feel still remains. Diablo 3 was announced too early and has become a bastard son of it's community. People have hacked and slashed their way into deciding it's production outcome more than any game I care to remember and I worry that the most vociferous of these voices get chosen to decide critical factors in it's ripening phase.
This leads to delays and an immense amount of angst. I feel that if I were to choose between knowing and being part of it's shaping and not knowing and not, then I would certainly choose the latter. Blizzard has ball's to have given the information it has and has been cowardly in it's attempt to adhere to all the clamors for change. I want Blizzard to bullock through it's development, take hard lines and release what it feels is a good game. . . . It may not be perfect but, by Crom I'll still love it
Again, I mean to flame no one with these comments, they are but the ramblings of a Diablo fan.
This is no rant just a straight observation. Diablo 3 was announced almost 4 years ago now. The community was ecstatic and people openly embraced Blizzard for it's re-admission of a landmark title. Fast forward 4 or so years and this ecstasy has turned in many sectors to bile and contempt for the long time it has taken for Diablo 3 to ripen.
Now, if it were me, and thank Crom it's not. I would have said nothing, but hindsight is a super hero and a man (according to South Park).What I am trying to say is this, the world has changed since Diablo 2 and the original. Millions more people have access to high speed internet and gaming news is now commonplace. I remember getting all my info from magazines and only recently, last 7-9 years, have I really been using the internet for this content (I lived in South Africa where dial-up was the norm for years.)
Blizzard has done a fantastic and frustrating job of creating a plethora of in depth information for all the world to peruse. The problem I find with this turns to the old adage, too many cooks spoil the broth. We have wiki's and fan sites and conversations with employee's, we hear the gossip, listen to calls, read blogs and delve into the game in the most intricate and critical ways possible. We have become our own worst enemy.
Back in the day they didn't have the massive resources they have now and by and large we still gobbled up whatever they produced.This fanaticism for getting everything perfect was not evident, but, in house I am sure it existed. We have been fattened on this information, and become conceited and compelled to share our frustration with the company. Now, because we matter we have longer delays, more tweaking and fine tuning. Blizzard hears us, all to well I fear and we have become culpable for the delays that have ensued since announcement.
I feel that Blizzard should learn from this and announce releases much closer to launch, say 6 months to a year. Sure we will get delays but non as long winded as this. Also, I think the company should trust it's judgement better and produce a game that has the hallmarks of what we have come to expect but add to it through more ingenious methods of gathering information. Do what they do best and be damned the consequences. I would prefer this instead of the wholesale description of systems and deep community immersion. In other words, I would prefer to be kept in the dark.
The dark cannot become jaded as it has no reference point to become jaded from. So, there are my 10 cents. I believe many will disagree with them and that's A OK. I didn't come here to convince I came here to write my opinion, which in case you're fuming means nothing.
This is no rant just a straight observation. Diablo 3 was announced almost 4 years ago now. The community was ecstatic and people openly embraced Blizzard for it's re-admission of a landmark title. Fast forward 4 or so years and this ecstasy has turned in many sectors to bile and contempt for the long time it has taken for Diablo 3 to ripen.
Now, if it were me, and thank Crom it's not. I would have said nothing, but hindsight is a super hero and a man (according to South Park).What I am trying to say is this, the world has changed since Diablo 2 and the original. Millions more people have access to high speed internet and gaming news is now commonplace. I remember getting all my info from magazines and only recently, last 7-9 years, have I really been using the internet for this content (I lived in South Africa where dial-up was the norm for years.)
Blizzard has done a fantastic and frustrating job of creating a plethora of in depth information for all the world to peruse. The problem I find with this turns to the old adage, too many cooks spoil the broth. We have wiki's and fan sites and conversations with employee's, we hear the gossip, listen to calls, read blogs and delve into the game in the most intricate and critical ways possible. We have become our own worst enemy.
Back in the day they didn't have the massive resources they have now and by and large we still gobbled up whatever they produced.This fanaticism for getting everything perfect was not evident, but, in house I am sure it existed. We have been fattened on this information, and become conceited and compelled to share our frustration with the company. Now, because we matter we have longer delays, more tweaking and fine tuning. Blizzard hears us, all to well I fear and we have become culpable for the delays that have ensued since announcement.
I feel that Blizzard should learn from this and announce releases much closer to launch, say 6 months to a year. Sure we will get delays but non as long winded as this. Also, I think the company should trust it's judgement better and produce a game that has the hallmarks of what we have come to expect but add to it through more ingenious methods of gathering information. Do what they do best and be damned the consequences. I would prefer this instead of the wholesale description of systems and deep community immersion. In other words, I would prefer to be kept in the dark.
The dark cannot become jaded as it has no reference point to become jaded from. So, there are my 10 cents. I believe many will disagree with them and that's A OK. I didn't come here to convince I came here to write my opinion, which in case you're fuming means nothing.
I got my Book of Cain through the other week but wasn't sure whether to read it before release or not, and before or after reading any of the novels. Got my Sin War Trilogy through the post this morning and tempted to read those before the Book of Cain, but not sure where the books stand in terms of lore accuracy now and how they conflict/match with the lore in the Book of Cain.
Either way, I can't wait to get my head stuck in the books tomorrow on my day off!
From what I have gathered it is the latest and most thorough account of what the timeline and history should be, through Cain's eyes of course. I can heartily recommend it. Be warned though, it's addictive.
But yeah, that's another one of the reasons why I'm looking forward to D3 - prior to D3, the lore was all over the place, you had lots of different writers. I really like that with D3, they've had a long, hard look at the lore and decided what should be canon, creating a new, definitive lore for the Diablo universe, including that whole creation myth.
I don't doubt that the lore will be pretty thick in D3, but the question is whether or not it's rich ENOUGH to be sustained in the long term. I'd be a sad panda if Blizzard did something like SC2 further down the line where there are practically near-retcons in order to accommodate new lore.
The whole creation myth is quite elegantly dealt with in TBoC. Reminds me a touch of the Silmarillion. I have not read to far into the book but, it has already given me a clarity about the Diablo universe which is far greater than many RPG's have played.
I agree entirely z00t. This is why I have recently taken the time to delve into the lore that abounds about Diablo. I just wrote a post about "The Book of Cain" which, I feel, is a great read for anyone wishing to add that touch of lore to an already bloodied Diablo fans axe.
I just received my copy of "The Book of Cain," and I must say its lucid reading. I have never really posted on forums with regards to Diablo 3 or any other games for that matter. I tend to read the forum posts and generally absorb the experiences of other members with regards to Diablo 3, it's delays, the ongoing production, changes and lack of blue feedback.
With regards to this It has become apparent to me that many people are very dissatisfied with the before mentioned delays and the lack of feedback that many wish to have received from the council of blue. Now, don't get me wrong I am a rabid Diablo 3 fan. And my contempt for the word delay and SOON are up there with buying a hot-dog and finding a cockroach literally embedded in the sausage. (This has happened, unfortunately.) So, what do I do to pass the time, for one, I try to distance myself from the forums and the general vitriol that accompanies any forum posts that begin with, feedback, delay or beta.
Instead, I have taken to reading more of the lore of Diablo. There is tons of the stuff and generally speaking it's fairly well written and feels like it has depth and breadth. Now, I am no Diablo historian and my knowledge is flimsy at best but it helps to eat the time away and it gives me a satisfaction in knowing that when the game is released I should have all the information I need to continue the story.
This brings me to my real point. Buy "The Book of Cain." I live in China and getting a copy was....difficult but, well worth it. I have been slowly chipping through the text, absorbing the content and looking at the excellent sketches and pictures.(The Diablo artists are pretty good, where pretty means damn and good means amazing) Also, it's actually quite informative which is all I need right now. I haven't played Diablo and Diablo 2 for years but, I reckon that by the end of this book I'll have a nice continuing timeline in my mind to follow.
I mean, whats a story without a good beginning. I like to think of the "Book of Cain" as a lengthy opening cinematic. I have the characters in my mind.......now all I have to do is stretch it out. Which, in the case of this book shouldn't be hard. Let the plot thicken.
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This leads to delays and an immense amount of angst. I feel that if I were to choose between knowing and being part of it's shaping and not knowing and not, then I would certainly choose the latter. Blizzard has ball's to have given the information it has and has been cowardly in it's attempt to adhere to all the clamors for change. I want Blizzard to bullock through it's development, take hard lines and release what it feels is a good game. . . . It may not be perfect but, by Crom I'll still love it
Again, I mean to flame no one with these comments, they are but the ramblings of a Diablo fan.
Oh and thanks for the +1 Internets....awesome.
Now, if it were me, and thank Crom it's not. I would have said nothing, but hindsight is a super hero and a man (according to South Park).What I am trying to say is this, the world has changed since Diablo 2 and the original. Millions more people have access to high speed internet and gaming news is now commonplace. I remember getting all my info from magazines and only recently, last 7-9 years, have I really been using the internet for this content (I lived in South Africa where dial-up was the norm for years.)
Blizzard has done a fantastic and frustrating job of creating a plethora of in depth information for all the world to peruse. The problem I find with this turns to the old adage, too many cooks spoil the broth. We have wiki's and fan sites and conversations with employee's, we hear the gossip, listen to calls, read blogs and delve into the game in the most intricate and critical ways possible. We have become our own worst enemy.
Back in the day they didn't have the massive resources they have now and by and large we still gobbled up whatever they produced.This fanaticism for getting everything perfect was not evident, but, in house I am sure it existed. We have been fattened on this information, and become conceited and compelled to share our frustration with the company. Now, because we matter we have longer delays, more tweaking and fine tuning. Blizzard hears us, all to well I fear and we have become culpable for the delays that have ensued since announcement.
I feel that Blizzard should learn from this and announce releases much closer to launch, say 6 months to a year. Sure we will get delays but non as long winded as this. Also, I think the company should trust it's judgement better and produce a game that has the hallmarks of what we have come to expect but add to it through more ingenious methods of gathering information. Do what they do best and be damned the consequences. I would prefer this instead of the wholesale description of systems and deep community immersion. In other words, I would prefer to be kept in the dark.
The dark cannot become jaded as it has no reference point to become jaded from. So, there are my 10 cents. I believe many will disagree with them and that's A OK. I didn't come here to convince I came here to write my opinion, which in case you're fuming means nothing.
Thanks for the read.
Now, if it were me, and thank Crom it's not. I would have said nothing, but hindsight is a super hero and a man (according to South Park).What I am trying to say is this, the world has changed since Diablo 2 and the original. Millions more people have access to high speed internet and gaming news is now commonplace. I remember getting all my info from magazines and only recently, last 7-9 years, have I really been using the internet for this content (I lived in South Africa where dial-up was the norm for years.)
Blizzard has done a fantastic and frustrating job of creating a plethora of in depth information for all the world to peruse. The problem I find with this turns to the old adage, too many cooks spoil the broth. We have wiki's and fan sites and conversations with employee's, we hear the gossip, listen to calls, read blogs and delve into the game in the most intricate and critical ways possible. We have become our own worst enemy.
Back in the day they didn't have the massive resources they have now and by and large we still gobbled up whatever they produced.This fanaticism for getting everything perfect was not evident, but, in house I am sure it existed. We have been fattened on this information, and become conceited and compelled to share our frustration with the company. Now, because we matter we have longer delays, more tweaking and fine tuning. Blizzard hears us, all to well I fear and we have become culpable for the delays that have ensued since announcement.
I feel that Blizzard should learn from this and announce releases much closer to launch, say 6 months to a year. Sure we will get delays but non as long winded as this. Also, I think the company should trust it's judgement better and produce a game that has the hallmarks of what we have come to expect but add to it through more ingenious methods of gathering information. Do what they do best and be damned the consequences. I would prefer this instead of the wholesale description of systems and deep community immersion. In other words, I would prefer to be kept in the dark.
The dark cannot become jaded as it has no reference point to become jaded from. So, there are my 10 cents. I believe many will disagree with them and that's A OK. I didn't come here to convince I came here to write my opinion, which in case you're fuming means nothing.
Thanks for the read.
From what I have gathered it is the latest and most thorough account of what the timeline and history should be, through Cain's eyes of course. I can heartily recommend it. Be warned though, it's addictive.
The whole creation myth is quite elegantly dealt with in TBoC. Reminds me a touch of the Silmarillion. I have not read to far into the book but, it has already given me a clarity about the Diablo universe which is far greater than many RPG's have played.
With regards to this It has become apparent to me that many people are very dissatisfied with the before mentioned delays and the lack of feedback that many wish to have received from the council of blue. Now, don't get me wrong I am a rabid Diablo 3 fan. And my contempt for the word delay and SOON are up there with buying a hot-dog and finding a cockroach literally embedded in the sausage. (This has happened, unfortunately.) So, what do I do to pass the time, for one, I try to distance myself from the forums and the general vitriol that accompanies any forum posts that begin with, feedback, delay or beta.
Instead, I have taken to reading more of the lore of Diablo. There is tons of the stuff and generally speaking it's fairly well written and feels like it has depth and breadth. Now, I am no Diablo historian and my knowledge is flimsy at best but it helps to eat the time away and it gives me a satisfaction in knowing that when the game is released I should have all the information I need to continue the story.
This brings me to my real point. Buy "The Book of Cain." I live in China and getting a copy was....difficult but, well worth it. I have been slowly chipping through the text, absorbing the content and looking at the excellent sketches and pictures.(The Diablo artists are pretty good, where pretty means damn and good means amazing) Also, it's actually quite informative which is all I need right now. I haven't played Diablo and Diablo 2 for years but, I reckon that by the end of this book I'll have a nice continuing timeline in my mind to follow.
I mean, whats a story without a good beginning. I like to think of the "Book of Cain" as a lengthy opening cinematic. I have the characters in my mind.......now all I have to do is stretch it out. Which, in the case of this book shouldn't be hard. Let the plot thicken.
Adieu