Im gonna number your responses 1-6
1. "Sure what the boss dropped was junk for you, but it wasn't always junk to everybody else." thanks for giving me my response. just because it isn't an upgrade for your current character, doesn't mean you can't pass it down, or sell it to someone else in D3.
2. the difference is that however inflated it is right now gold is worth items: gems, crafted items, or AH items, even if you only earn it 60-100k at a time.
3. Do I remember wrong? Or is it typical to, as your only character, raise up a single element sorc to clear hell without badass gear? so, by your definition, tweaked out with items, almost every build is viable in d2. and I would agree. but, in D3, if you have the same tier of badass gear... almost every build is viable.
4. I'm responding to topics like "when is the last time you FOUND an upgrade" when I say this. In D2, once you got to a certain point, you find upgrades very very rarely, or you find a rune to trade for an upgrade you still found really good items, but they were not upgrades for you, so you had to use them to trade for items that were. In D3, the same exact thing is true, sans the runes. "Sure what the boss dropped was junk for you, but it wasn't always junk to everybody else."
5. you can't be argued with here about the builds. the reason this is, is because you can swap skills. It is a mechanic for someone to be able to have the equivilant of a hammerdin and a zealot without having to raise a second character, and it does impact the game. I'm not sure it hurts or helps more. it makes the game a lot more accessible to casual gamers, but takes some depth out at the same time.
But i think you are less concretely correct about the specs. I don't have time to bring them all up for you right now because I have to go to work, but I will later.
-I remember having to carry around a tome of tps and id scrolls(or talk to cain) to identify these crappy items just to find out that they are only valuable as ground decorations or gold... which had only 2 purposes in the game...(repairs and resurrecting mercs)
Give me that back please. At least that was alot faster than what is currently in D3 where you manually have to click EVERY single item -.-
Wait what? You had to click the id scroll an then the item in d2 how is that different? or use a hotkey then choose the item.
I guess unless you used Cain, I could never wait to get back there though.
Using ID scrolls was a lot faster than the id system in D3....
They also took up 10% of your inventory space, and items were a lot bigger back then, and everything needed to be identified, not just rares. you'd also have to run to the merchant that sells them to replenish every so often. but again, the worthlessness of gold was my main point there, but thanks for the feedback.
I remember a lot of viable end game builds and quite abit good end game builds (read every class had alteast 4 good end game specs and even more viable specs).
I remember bosses dropping cool uniques and set items while lvling.
I remember having to carry around 2 books to identify and tp (not a big fucking deal)
And no I'm not saying thats my biggest issue but thinking that your opinnion is better than everyone else is just as much bs as you thinking d3 is better than d2
A. Lets name those 4 builds per class that are end game viable without awesome gear. These are what I can remember that didn't require a bunch of HR's. help me finish please. I'm calling viable "able to solo hell without relying on expensive runeworded gear/ minimally twinked"
Paladin - hammerdin (w/o enigma), avenger
Necromancer - summoner
Sorc - dual tree
Amazon - not sure if it is gear independent
Druid - hurricane, werebear
Assasin - traps
Barbarian - again im not sure if it is dependent on expensive gear to do hell either.
B. Before the game came out, blizzard said something to the effect that they wanted to make the whole act viable for running, not just one or two bosses. They did this. In D2 you might do a few baal runs and find a couple uniques that were worth something. Not always an upgrade. In D3, you do a couple of your act runs, and you find a couple rares that are worth something. Not always an upgrade. I will agree with you, though, that the legendary items are not op in D3.
C. My main point there was the fact that gold was near worthless, but thanks for your feedback
D. I didn't say D3>D2. I said how can people constantly come to the forums to bitch about how it isn't the same. It's been 10 years or so since the last game. Things have progressed. D2 was awesome for its time. that doesn't make it worse.
/sarcasm
It seems like a ton of people wish D3 was a D2 clone, because "it was better".
This brings me to a couple of comments...
-I remember Arctic gear dropping from hell Baal, and 99% of rares in the game being junk..
-I remember having to carry around a tome of tps and id scrolls(or talk to cain) to identify these crappy items just to find out that they are only valuable as ground decorations or gold... which had only 2 purposes in the game...(repairs and resurrecting mercs)
-I remember the only story for D2 (other than the cut-scenes), occurred if you manually listened to each npc, during which you could do NOTHING.
-I remember only a handful of viable end-game builds
-I remember having to farm for HR's which were rare as !@#% just to trade for gear that made your cookie-cutter build efficient.
-I remember much less dynamic combat.
-etc..
How can people say that this game sucks in comparison?
Anyone remember that there were only a handful of viable end-game builds in D2? how about having to farm for HR's that were EXTREMELY rare just to trade for items, or make runewords to make those builds efficient? yet D2 was better for this?
Currently my build is trudging through the Zoltun Kulle in act 2. I want to farm gold, and use Nephalem Valor for my item drops. Would Act1 Inferno, or act 4 Hell be better gold per time? Would the lower amounts be offset by my ability to kill much faster?
..."I think it's an incredible cop-out to say that the the people who don't like D3 are simply too young."
You obviously don't understand my thesis, Thanks, though, for the reply.
6 months ago I changed my display name. I'd like to change it back, but I do not see the option in my "settings" control panel. I read the short paragraph about changing your name in the "help faq", but it does not have any information that is helpful to me. Any help or insights would be appreciated.
This is an edited excerpt from a post of mine from the thread "Im i the only one that thinks d3 is amazing?" on the Diablo III General Discussion board. But I think it's an idea that should be read by as many 'haters' as possible.
I think that a good portion of the people complaining about the game, are just victims of age. Tastes change. When I was little, I used to run around the yard playing imaginary war with my neighbor friend, or play with hot wheels cars on the kitchen floor. But, at age 23, that stuff just isn't fun anymore. And with 11 years between D2:LOD and D3, plenty of time has passed for series veterans to grow up. So, I wouldn't be surprised if a good half of the people who think D3 is trash compared to D2 are teenagers and young adults whose tastes have changed. They just don't know that it has happened.
Do you agree?
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I think what he meant was any toilet can do this. It's called a flushometer.
1. "Sure what the boss dropped was junk for you, but it wasn't always junk to everybody else." thanks for giving me my response. just because it isn't an upgrade for your current character, doesn't mean you can't pass it down, or sell it to someone else in D3.
2. the difference is that however inflated it is right now gold is worth items: gems, crafted items, or AH items, even if you only earn it 60-100k at a time.
3. Do I remember wrong? Or is it typical to, as your only character, raise up a single element sorc to clear hell without badass gear? so, by your definition, tweaked out with items, almost every build is viable in d2. and I would agree. but, in D3, if you have the same tier of badass gear... almost every build is viable.
4. I'm responding to topics like "when is the last time you FOUND an upgrade" when I say this. In D2, once you got to a certain point, you find upgrades very very rarely, or you find a rune to trade for an upgrade you still found really good items, but they were not upgrades for you, so you had to use them to trade for items that were. In D3, the same exact thing is true, sans the runes. "Sure what the boss dropped was junk for you, but it wasn't always junk to everybody else."
5. you can't be argued with here about the builds. the reason this is, is because you can swap skills. It is a mechanic for someone to be able to have the equivilant of a hammerdin and a zealot without having to raise a second character, and it does impact the game. I'm not sure it hurts or helps more. it makes the game a lot more accessible to casual gamers, but takes some depth out at the same time.
But i think you are less concretely correct about the specs. I don't have time to bring them all up for you right now because I have to go to work, but I will later.
They also took up 10% of your inventory space, and items were a lot bigger back then, and everything needed to be identified, not just rares. you'd also have to run to the merchant that sells them to replenish every so often. but again, the worthlessness of gold was my main point there, but thanks for the feedback.
A. Lets name those 4 builds per class that are end game viable without awesome gear. These are what I can remember that didn't require a bunch of HR's. help me finish please. I'm calling viable "able to solo hell without relying on expensive runeworded gear/ minimally twinked"
Paladin - hammerdin (w/o enigma), avenger
Necromancer - summoner
Sorc - dual tree
Amazon - not sure if it is gear independent
Druid - hurricane, werebear
Assasin - traps
Barbarian - again im not sure if it is dependent on expensive gear to do hell either.
B. Before the game came out, blizzard said something to the effect that they wanted to make the whole act viable for running, not just one or two bosses. They did this. In D2 you might do a few baal runs and find a couple uniques that were worth something. Not always an upgrade. In D3, you do a couple of your act runs, and you find a couple rares that are worth something. Not always an upgrade. I will agree with you, though, that the legendary items are not op in D3.
C. My main point there was the fact that gold was near worthless, but thanks for your feedback
D. I didn't say D3>D2. I said how can people constantly come to the forums to bitch about how it isn't the same. It's been 10 years or so since the last game. Things have progressed. D2 was awesome for its time. that doesn't make it worse.
It seems like a ton of people wish D3 was a D2 clone, because "it was better".
This brings me to a couple of comments...
-I remember Arctic gear dropping from hell Baal, and 99% of rares in the game being junk..
-I remember having to carry around a tome of tps and id scrolls(or talk to cain) to identify these crappy items just to find out that they are only valuable as ground decorations or gold... which had only 2 purposes in the game...(repairs and resurrecting mercs)
-I remember the only story for D2 (other than the cut-scenes), occurred if you manually listened to each npc, during which you could do NOTHING.
-I remember only a handful of viable end-game builds
-I remember having to farm for HR's which were rare as !@#% just to trade for gear that made your cookie-cutter build efficient.
-I remember much less dynamic combat.
-etc..
How can people say that this game sucks in comparison?
You obviously don't understand my thesis, Thanks, though, for the reply.
I think that a good portion of the people complaining about the game, are just victims of age. Tastes change. When I was little, I used to run around the yard playing imaginary war with my neighbor friend, or play with hot wheels cars on the kitchen floor. But, at age 23, that stuff just isn't fun anymore. And with 11 years between D2:LOD and D3, plenty of time has passed for series veterans to grow up. So, I wouldn't be surprised if a good half of the people who think D3 is trash compared to D2 are teenagers and young adults whose tastes have changed. They just don't know that it has happened.
Do you agree?