Really short and simple and to the point. When a weapon rolls + Damage on it, is this factored into the displayed DPS? Is there any way to tell what DPS/Damage you may lose if you re-roll that +Damage into a primary attribute?
I'm getting ready to craft about 50 (I think) items with DE... probably bracers as that's my most "lacking" slot atm. I've gotten a couple decent ones, including a not bad Ammy with like 300+ dex, but after that I've had really poor luck and have used up easily a couple hundred DE. Which I know is like nothing compared to some, but when you have little time to farm.....
I think whether it's good or not is going to depend a lot on your gear and what you're replacing and stuff like that. I see that it says it's a 22k DPS increase for you, which is quite nice, but you need to think about what your CURRENT weapon has that maybe it doesn't and what your goals are.
Like for example, does your current have crit chance? Or Life Steal? Both on higher MPs and in general that's something to think about as you want (at a sort of baseline ideal) 45% Crit Chance with 450% Crit Damage.
Another big thing to think about is the fact it has attack speed and doesn't have a socket. While there really isn't anything wrong with attack speed on a wepaon, you want to look more at the damage range and not DPS numbers. The lack of a socket means you're losing out on the extra (up to 110%) Crit damage from a gem. That, especially with built in crit damage, is a LOT and can maybe give you more of a DPS boost than this fist is. But again, it depends on where you're at gear wise and what you're aiming for.
Personally though... I would pass. 300mil is a LOT for one item, let alone a weapon that isn't "ideal". I'm playing on MP7 right now (could maybe go to 10 tbh but don't want to push just yet) and I'm wishing both my weapons had high Life Steal on them atm. My EHP isn't as high as it could be and that would help offset it a ton.
I guess what im asking is a start on the dual wield build for higher MP. I'm assuming echoing fury in one hand and maybe the whon Kim Lau offhand
EF is VERY situational because of the fear. You need to not only run after mobs, but also need some form of freezing on them preferably. If you're running with that than cool. Otherwise just get a nice high DPS MH with Socket, life steal, and crit chance/damage. Off-hand is right on with WKL. Keep in mind when looking at a WKL though that with around 24% more lightning skill damage and 6% Lightning damage that a 800ish DPS WKL actually be more equivalent to a 1100ish (I think) DPS weapon.
Also of note, try to stay away from attack speed increase on weapons. While nothing is "wrong" per say with that, the numbers you see on the weapon's DPS are a lie (in a sense) and really you more care about the damage range. That's the important thing. So if you can get the higher DPS numbers WITHOUT attack speed... See where I'm going?
Gear wise in general you want as much crit chance/damage as possible. 45%/450% are the two kind of "minimum" numbers to shoot for. You also obviously need either a stacked resist (and One With Everything) or lots of All Resist, like 500+ or so. Keeping your attacks per second around 2.1 will also help a lot.
With the right setup/party an EF is still a great weapon even with the fear.
EX: You have someone (companion or party member) who is able to freeze/bind mobs in place then they can't run away. Can't run, fear doesn't matter. Fear doesn't matter, EF having that fear becomes mute.
After doing a lot of upgrades and searching I think I'm in a lot better place now. However I've hit a brick wall on where to go/what to do now it feels like. Well unless I suddenly get BILLIONS of gold to drop on one or two pieces of gear.
As an example, I've dropped down below that 2.1 attack per second mark, just barely, so want to get some more attack speed. But trying to find it is being harder than I thought. The "obvious" choice is a Mempo, but I'm only at 48% crit chance right now, 6 of that from my helm.
Sure I could find a Mempo with like 3% crit (so I'd be at 45% and I'd still have the 1:10 cc:cd ratio) and boost the attack speed and get some more resists to move away from one with everything. For like 300 Million. I ran the numbers in D3UP simulate thing and I'd only gain 1.2k DPS and 4k EHP, but my HP would drop 2k to 28.1k. Doesn't seem worth 300 MILLION for such small gains. Though I could get around 500 All resist, WITHOUT OWE.
I know I can craft a couple things that may be good and get good rolls, but I have a very limited supply of the essences to make things with. Especially after crafting to get the Amulet I got.
So if anyone could give me some suggestions on specific items/ideas I would really appreciate it. Even if it's just "get crafting" and I have to go out and try to farm the Demonic Essences.
The biggest thing you need to take into account about EF is the fear on hit thing. Not a lot of people like that, and some monks have said they were "never happier" than when they got rid of that. Also if you're using the Speed Palm (or variation there of) build then the fear can really hurt that.
My EF is only used when I do uberbosses or farm with a CM wizard (they freeze mobs 100% of the time, so the fear is not a problem). I use a WKL when I'm farming solo. http://www.diablopro...m/item/25756070 <-- that one It gives me the same DPS as my EF, although I notice my spirit regen is somewhat lackluster.
Ahh that makes sense. Just bad timing to look at your char as it were lol. I actually grabbed a pretty similar (little less DPS/Damage and not as much crit) WKL to that one. Nice to know I'm almost there in that regard.
I also picked up a few other things and am now sitting at 45% crit with 527% damage, so I'm slightly under (over? whatever) that 1:10 ratio thing. But I lost some attack speed because of rolling a nice high crit/crit damage/dex crafted Amulet. Also doesn't have my stacked resist on it though so I kind of took a double whammy. But I'm at 470 Resist and 1.9/2.0 attack speed (mh/oh) so I know I'm narrowing in on a butter zone. Probably going to get a Mempo (*shudders at cost especially after the duping*) to bring up that resist and attack speed. Then it should just be a matter of looking at some pieces of gear that don't fit my stacked resist while trying to balance out some more crit/attack speed and not lose too much crit damage.
On the plus side though, before any of that D3UP shows me at 152,843 DPS and 284,737 EHP. Not bad from where I was (though I think I had more EHP) and I've been comfortably farming keys/xp/gold on MP5 without taking 20m to kill an elite! So big yay there.
While that makes sense on the + att. speed "lieing" about DPS, it almost seems like it's needed to have to get above that 2.1 attack rating. Well, at least with my gear and "budget". Trying to find pieces of gear with everything I need is hard without dropping a ton of gold on things. Granted I could drop my Inna's head for a Mempo, I like the 4-pc Inna's but once SW is up I don't recast it that often unless I run a lot of space between fights. Which means spirit regen will happen anyways. Plus I know Speed Palm builds use 2 generators anyways lol
As for Mantras... I actually have gone to Conviction: Overawe again. It's nice to things just DROP with it running, and I can often times spam it to keep the initial 3 sec thing going... especially single target. I'm also using Exploding Palm atm (though I think I'm on MP 4? 5? So I know not as effective) and loving the sheer melt it gives to groups with that and Cyclone. I'm kind of combining the Speed Palm and "Cookie Cutter" builds as I just don't like Seven Sided Strike much due to the CD, and it seems like the Bell Drop (forget the name) is better with a big beefy slow 2h (in my TR I could almost 1-shot most elites on MP0 with it).
Speaking of Speed Palm builds though... I notice you're using an Echoing Fury. How often do you find that the fear kicks in and does it cause you any problems with exploding palm? I've been sorely tempted by them, but in the Speed Palm sticky it mentions that it's not the greatest to use with Exploding Palm....
Thanks for the response. Nice to know I'm on the right track and have some numbers to shoot for as it were. Like maybe I could lose some attack speed for the crit damage. Not much obviously, but I imagine removing attack speed from the weapon would greatly reduce the cost for a higher DPS weapon. Of course if I kept that then I could remove it from somewhere with a lower gain for maybe more crit damage too. Love balancing acts.
As for Mantra. That's more something I'm playing around with and thinking about changing back to Conviction - Overawe. There isn't any doubt that Conviction adds a nice chunk of DPS, but with how packed the mobs are more dodge and that explosion can help thin them out quickly too. Maybe once I get up there in gear it'll make more a difference though
Edit: Repeat of my lower post below as I don't want to make a new topic and the original post isn't as vaible now....
After doing a lot of upgrades and searching I think I'm in a lot better place now. However I've hit a brick wall on where to go/what to do now it feels like. Well unless I suddenly get BILLIONS of gold to drop on one or two pieces of gear.
As an example, I've dropped down below that 2.1 attack per second mark, just barely, so want to get some more attack speed. But trying to find it is being harder than I thought. The "obvious" choice is a Mempo, but I'm only at 48% crit chance right now, 6 of that from my helm.
Sure I could find a Mempo with like 3% crit (so I'd be at 45% and I'd still have the 1:10 cc:cd ratio) and boost the attack speed and get some more resists to move away from one with everything. For like 300 Million. I ran the numbers in D3UP simulate thing and I'd only gain 1.2k DPS and 4k EHP, but my HP would drop 2k to 28.1k. Doesn't seem worth 300 MILLION for such small gains. Though I could get around 500 All resist, WITHOUT OWE.
I know I can craft a couple things that may be good and get good rolls, but I have a very limited supply of the essences to make things with. Especially after crafting to get the Amulet I got.
So if anyone could give me some suggestions on specific items/ideas I would really appreciate it. Even if it's just "get crafting" and I have to go out and try to farm the Demonic Essences.
Ok so first the big one... what in the worlds happened to the prices of things on the AH since like before 1.04 or something (pre-inferno nerf... been gone awhile lol).
Second, while I get the whole paragon levels and MP stuff... How "important" is it really towards things? Like if everything is equal, no gear changes etc, how big a difference is it at level 1 vs 10?
On that note, what are some of the "good" farm routes/places to level up paragon anyways? I've looked around and it seems like a popular one is the spiders in Crater level 2?
Edit: Also, I've been reading a little about the Infernal Machine thingy and key runs... But one thing I can't find out easily is places to get 5 stacks of vapor in each act. Of course obviously it's probably way too early for me to be running any MP yet, but still be interested in knowing.
Thanks
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Like for example, does your current have crit chance? Or Life Steal? Both on higher MPs and in general that's something to think about as you want (at a sort of baseline ideal) 45% Crit Chance with 450% Crit Damage.
Another big thing to think about is the fact it has attack speed and doesn't have a socket. While there really isn't anything wrong with attack speed on a wepaon, you want to look more at the damage range and not DPS numbers. The lack of a socket means you're losing out on the extra (up to 110%) Crit damage from a gem. That, especially with built in crit damage, is a LOT and can maybe give you more of a DPS boost than this fist is. But again, it depends on where you're at gear wise and what you're aiming for.
Personally though... I would pass. 300mil is a LOT for one item, let alone a weapon that isn't "ideal". I'm playing on MP7 right now (could maybe go to 10 tbh but don't want to push just yet) and I'm wishing both my weapons had high Life Steal on them atm. My EHP isn't as high as it could be and that would help offset it a ton.
EF is VERY situational because of the fear. You need to not only run after mobs, but also need some form of freezing on them preferably. If you're running with that than cool. Otherwise just get a nice high DPS MH with Socket, life steal, and crit chance/damage. Off-hand is right on with WKL. Keep in mind when looking at a WKL though that with around 24% more lightning skill damage and 6% Lightning damage that a 800ish DPS WKL actually be more equivalent to a 1100ish (I think) DPS weapon.
Also of note, try to stay away from attack speed increase on weapons. While nothing is "wrong" per say with that, the numbers you see on the weapon's DPS are a lie (in a sense) and really you more care about the damage range. That's the important thing. So if you can get the higher DPS numbers WITHOUT attack speed... See where I'm going?
Gear wise in general you want as much crit chance/damage as possible. 45%/450% are the two kind of "minimum" numbers to shoot for. You also obviously need either a stacked resist (and One With Everything) or lots of All Resist, like 500+ or so. Keeping your attacks per second around 2.1 will also help a lot.
EX: You have someone (companion or party member) who is able to freeze/bind mobs in place then they can't run away. Can't run, fear doesn't matter. Fear doesn't matter, EF having that fear becomes mute.
As an example, I've dropped down below that 2.1 attack per second mark, just barely, so want to get some more attack speed. But trying to find it is being harder than I thought. The "obvious" choice is a Mempo, but I'm only at 48% crit chance right now, 6 of that from my helm.
Sure I could find a Mempo with like 3% crit (so I'd be at 45% and I'd still have the 1:10 cc:cd ratio) and boost the attack speed and get some more resists to move away from one with everything. For like 300 Million. I ran the numbers in D3UP simulate thing and I'd only gain 1.2k DPS and 4k EHP, but my HP would drop 2k to 28.1k. Doesn't seem worth 300 MILLION for such small gains. Though I could get around 500 All resist, WITHOUT OWE.
I know I can craft a couple things that may be good and get good rolls, but I have a very limited supply of the essences to make things with. Especially after crafting to get the Amulet I got.
So if anyone could give me some suggestions on specific items/ideas I would really appreciate it. Even if it's just "get crafting" and I have to go out and try to farm the Demonic Essences.
Here is my char on D3UP
http://d3up.com/b/588382
Ahh that makes sense. Just bad timing to look at your char as it were lol. I actually grabbed a pretty similar (little less DPS/Damage and not as much crit) WKL to that one. Nice to know I'm almost there in that regard.
I also picked up a few other things and am now sitting at 45% crit with 527% damage, so I'm slightly under (over? whatever) that 1:10 ratio thing. But I lost some attack speed because of rolling a nice high crit/crit damage/dex crafted Amulet. Also doesn't have my stacked resist on it though so I kind of took a double whammy. But I'm at 470 Resist and 1.9/2.0 attack speed (mh/oh) so I know I'm narrowing in on a butter zone. Probably going to get a Mempo (*shudders at cost especially after the duping*) to bring up that resist and attack speed. Then it should just be a matter of looking at some pieces of gear that don't fit my stacked resist while trying to balance out some more crit/attack speed and not lose too much crit damage.
On the plus side though, before any of that D3UP shows me at 152,843 DPS and 284,737 EHP. Not bad from where I was (though I think I had more EHP) and I've been comfortably farming keys/xp/gold on MP5 without taking 20m to kill an elite! So big yay there.
As for Mantras... I actually have gone to Conviction: Overawe again. It's nice to things just DROP with it running, and I can often times spam it to keep the initial 3 sec thing going... especially single target. I'm also using Exploding Palm atm (though I think I'm on MP 4? 5? So I know not as effective) and loving the sheer melt it gives to groups with that and Cyclone. I'm kind of combining the Speed Palm and "Cookie Cutter" builds as I just don't like Seven Sided Strike much due to the CD, and it seems like the Bell Drop (forget the name) is better with a big beefy slow 2h (in my TR I could almost 1-shot most elites on MP0 with it).
Speaking of Speed Palm builds though... I notice you're using an Echoing Fury. How often do you find that the fear kicks in and does it cause you any problems with exploding palm? I've been sorely tempted by them, but in the Speed Palm sticky it mentions that it's not the greatest to use with Exploding Palm....
As for Mantra. That's more something I'm playing around with and thinking about changing back to Conviction - Overawe. There isn't any doubt that Conviction adds a nice chunk of DPS, but with how packed the mobs are more dodge and that explosion can help thin them out quickly too. Maybe once I get up there in gear it'll make more a difference though
After doing a lot of upgrades and searching I think I'm in a lot better place now. However I've hit a brick wall on where to go/what to do now it feels like. Well unless I suddenly get BILLIONS of gold to drop on one or two pieces of gear.
As an example, I've dropped down below that 2.1 attack per second mark, just barely, so want to get some more attack speed. But trying to find it is being harder than I thought. The "obvious" choice is a Mempo, but I'm only at 48% crit chance right now, 6 of that from my helm.
Sure I could find a Mempo with like 3% crit (so I'd be at 45% and I'd still have the 1:10 cc:cd ratio) and boost the attack speed and get some more resists to move away from one with everything. For like 300 Million. I ran the numbers in D3UP simulate thing and I'd only gain 1.2k DPS and 4k EHP, but my HP would drop 2k to 28.1k. Doesn't seem worth 300 MILLION for such small gains. Though I could get around 500 All resist, WITHOUT OWE.
I know I can craft a couple things that may be good and get good rolls, but I have a very limited supply of the essences to make things with. Especially after crafting to get the Amulet I got.
So if anyone could give me some suggestions on specific items/ideas I would really appreciate it. Even if it's just "get crafting" and I have to go out and try to farm the Demonic Essences.
Here is my char on D3UP
http://d3up.com/b/588382
Second, while I get the whole paragon levels and MP stuff... How "important" is it really towards things? Like if everything is equal, no gear changes etc, how big a difference is it at level 1 vs 10?
On that note, what are some of the "good" farm routes/places to level up paragon anyways? I've looked around and it seems like a popular one is the spiders in Crater level 2?
Edit: Also, I've been reading a little about the Infernal Machine thingy and key runs... But one thing I can't find out easily is places to get 5 stacks of vapor in each act. Of course obviously it's probably way too early for me to be running any MP yet, but still be interested in knowing.
Thanks