In this thread, different people like different things.
Transmogrification!
Or vanishing dye. I've been rocking the minimalist look for a while now.
Exactly this. I for one LOVE over the top armor, it just adds to the high fantasy of fighting angels / demons with weapons and spells.
Luckily they added xmog for you people who hate it, and vanishing dye =P win win!
That's true, but it kinda sucks that one has to stick with the 'old' (and, therefore, already seen many many times) look because the 'new' look is so over the top.
I prefer a more realistic approach to armour styles.
Then again, the original basic armor tiers are almost never used. Take shoulders fx.. Everyone is either using crafted shoulders or Vile Wards. You could customise your character with tier 3 or 4 armor sets, and it'll look spanking new 'cause it's almost never seen. I plan to!
Not if you play Hardcore.
Really? I only play hardcore and 99.9% of level 60 chars are wearing either crafted Archon shoulders or Vile Wards in the shoulder slot...
typical Self-founder when he joins on public game. - " omg omg omg why did u buy that gear ? there is no way u found it". Ok lets start from the begining shall we?. Most of you SF, are tend to say " AH or RMAH give XY person an UNFAIR advantage" and when I hear it im just blown up with laughter, excuse me WHAT advantage? , does this person play ladder ? , does this player play 1v1 2v2 3v3 team deathmatch ? what exacly have an advantage ? , well I see this just of pure jealosy of other player items. Now listen to me VERY carefully: IF , Self found players ENJOYS finding loot by him self then he would care less if the person next to him bought an item for 1 bil , 10 bil or 1000 euro he just couldnt care LESS so a typical SF player should just accept the fact and play either solo or with trusted friends / guild / clan and THATS IT. Please tell me why are you so furiosly pinned to the option of reducing other players fun aspect ? because yes I have fun looking for new better items on AH and I enjoy looking at some items curret gold value. The real problem is not AH or RMAH its the friking chinise botters / 3rd party sites that sell gold therefore negatyvly impacting D3 economy. Now Blizzard should not put the comunity into fights like this making extreeme decisions from one end to another like " Lets make everything BoA and all our problems dissapear !" NO Blizzard just NO, Fight them , Im sure if Blizzard wanted it could have installed some new filters , more efficient antihacks and more, even sue this pric*ks who run the 3rd party sites as it was in WoW. and guess what ? Blizzard won the round for like 1.2 mil$ in a flash. Again SF players please disable your war Its always better to have more options than be stuck in just 1 option that everyone is forced to do, its not fun at all.
C'mon guys, please stay on topic...it would be a bummer if this thread becomes locked.
ANYWAYS, I hope we hear some kind of announcement during Blizzcon relating to this topic, or at least info regarding the Battle.net improvements they plan to implement. I feel as if the info announced by Blizz at Blizzcon is sort of a 'make it or break it' for some players. Would you guys agree there is an added sense of pressure for Blizz to announce exciting new info for the RoS release and Loot 2.0 compared to years past?
Also, someone mentioned they'd seen threads detailing ideas for a 'Trading Post'; was this from other forums? Can someone define/explain some of the basic details you're referring to (because I haven't read anything regarding this)? I'm simply curious. I approach the whole 'Trading Post' subject cautiously because from simply the name it, well, sounds similar to the AH. However, until I read more about it, I want to keep an open mind. Anyone?
What I'm referring to is the suggestion many have made that there should just be a trading post where people can list items and either negotiate a price or even suggest a price. This is to similar to an AH it just slows down the process but ultimately here is my problem with any type of trading system:
If items are searchable, able to be filtered through, available in mass the AH may as well remain. The problem with the AH is all of these things, it creates the ability for a player to simply choose the items they want without a progressive gearing up process therefore diminishing reward value in finding items and really doing anything in this game.
Ultimately, in my opinion, and I think some other posters in this thread are eluding to this, is that there should be NO alternative.
With trading being a pain in the ass, items will be more valuable because you won't see an Echoing Fury with a socket and CD all the time like you do now. Sure items will be better, but less plentiful because players will be looting less, keeping more, and trading less.
Notes: Bold is just to emphasis, my opinion isn't the end all, just saying hey it's mine! Also using bold on this site huge pain in the ass could we look into fixing it? If you don't know what I'm talking about try it!
I completely agree with you in that items should not be searchable, available in mass, like the current Auction House. However, a trading support system doesn't have to be so 'black and white' as so many have attempted to argue in this thread. With one end of the spectrum being the AH (seemingly infinite items at every players finger tips; allows for 'shopping sprees') and the opposite end being bound to 'Diablo 2' style trading where players are forced to use online trading forums, battle.net chat channels, and game descriptions as the only avenues to support trading.
I'm surprised to see so many people FOR 'Diablo 2' style trading. I'm all for the removal of the AH, but going back to 'Diablo 2' style trading, although it would be an easy transition for many of us who became used to that form of trading during the D2 days, would be boring/not-fun for the majority of players. I believe there is middle ground, a system far more inefficient than the AH (which is a good thing), but one that is new, exciting, and brings added flavor(?) to the game. What that system is...I don't know, but it's implementation is very possible for RoS.
C'mon guys, please stay on topic...it would be a bummer if this thread becomes locked.
ANYWAYS, I hope we hear some kind of announcement during Blizzcon relating to this topic, or at least info regarding the Battle.net improvements they plan to implement. I feel as if the info announced by Blizz at Blizzcon is sort of a 'make it or break it' for some players. Would you guys agree there is an added sense of pressure for Blizz to announce exciting new info for the RoS release and Loot 2.0 compared to years past?
Also, someone mentioned they'd seen threads detailing ideas for a 'Trading Post'; was this from other forums? Can someone define/explain some of the basic details you're referring to (because I haven't read anything regarding this)? I'm simply curious. I approach the whole 'Trading Post' subject cautiously because from simply the name it, well, sounds similar to the AH. However, until I read more about it, I want to keep an open mind. Anyone?
Honestly, we had the most convenient trading tool, the AH. Anything they implement after that will just be clumsier. Why artificially restrict the number of people you can trade with to "the people who are in my game rigth now"? Or trade 2-3 items at a time ?
It's a very thin line. If the new system is too comfortable ( think AH ) then they could have left the AH in anyway. If the new system is too clumsy ( let's say for example that it will be easier to trade on forums than ingame ) then everybody will start trading on the forums.
I would not want to have to be the one making these decisions...
I agree here. its fine to bring forth something you guys WANT to see as the new trade environment, but take into account what this guy says. Blizzard will not make a "system" for you. You had it, and it caused issues Blizzard was not happy with.
There will probably be something like general and trade channels, as the only means to trade with strangers. No trading game, no system. And honestly I think we will make it work, although forum trading will probably increase for the "I play a lot" players.
We will not get game lobbies. A list of games that gets filled/closed etc. faster than you can read the title will not work. There are simply too many people playing on each server to have a lobby. That is at least what Blizzard has stated, and I think it makes sense.
I agree with you in that the scenario of simply going back to Diablo 2 style mean of trading is very likely. And like someone else said, Battle.net improvements could result in a vast improvement for player trading experience if the DIablo 2 style direction is taken by Blizz.
Either way, I think we can all agree that no matter what happens after the auction houses are removed, players who put in more time attempting to trade will have a much higher success rate of making a trade for an item they desire with another player. As a result, the same player spending time searching to make a trade in turn will have 'lost' that time in-game slaying monsters; having a chance to get that l33t item drop. Different players will continue to enjoy different aspects of the game and it goes without being said that having options is always better than having none. Some players would use a new system and some would not; choice is key.
Also, Pietrak: Could you possibly detail some features you'd like to see in the Trading Post idea you mentioned? Thx!
With the removal of all auction houses in the not so distant future, I figured I’d create a thread where the community can discuss their thoughts regarding the future of trade supporting systems in Diablo 3 come Reaper of Souls, Loot 2.0, etc.
Do you think Blizzard will implement a new system to support trading from player to player? (I’m unsure if Blizzard has announced any info on this topic; I’ve yet to see anything)
If so,
(1) What would you like to see added to the game to aid and promote trading items from one player to another?
(2) What do you think Blizzard WILL DO? (Solely remove the auctions houses and nothing else, or add a new system to support trading?)
I’m predicting (and hoping) that Blizzard will not solely remove the SC and HC auction houses and call trading in Diablo 3 ‘good to go’. In my opinion, Blizzard will likely implement some kind of new economic system to support/aid trading between players granting players a higher probability of locating another player possessing the item he/she desires and eventually being able to obtain said item. I also believe that players will be able to attach a name and description to their games upon creation similar to Diablo 2. In turn, players looking to join a game with the sole intention to trade items with other players can choose from a list which game containing a description that best matches their search criteria.
NOTE: Below is just speculation, or rather, something that might work well in Diablo 3…but who knows…
I think it would be cool if players could create ‘Trade Games’, ones where players can gather to just trade/sell/buy items. ‘Trade Games’ can have a maximum of 12 players. Players are bound to staying inside town, and also cannot cast any skills (this is why 12 players is possible). Each player now has a new container, much like the Horadric Cube from Diablo 2, which players keep in their inventory to hold their most valuable/desirable items that they wish to trade/sell. Players in the game can right click + click Inspect Trade Cube (or something?) and inspect other players’ items stored in this container. From there, if a player sees something they like, they can initiate a chat with the other player to try and trade/buy the item, etc. Possibly promoting socialization and the online multiplayer experience.
Keep in mind this is just an idea of mine; I’m unsure if it would work well in Diablo 3, but what do you guys think?
Please no. This would make it required for you to idle in Town for hours at a time till someone joins. What made D2 Game trading bearable was the fact that you could MF/ do quests/ do whatever while waiting. With your proposed system you could just... stand in town. This would be even worse than AH imho as no one would want to waste time that way.
I respect your opinion and understand your perspective, and yes, I agree standing in town might be unbearable for you and many others. However, I think there is a large number of players who would take part in creating/joining these 'Trade Games' I detailed in my original post and might also enjoy the the socialization of the 12-player game experience as well as possibly trading for an item they desire. In my opinion, as far as player enjoyment, the time a player would spend in a 'Trade Game' could very well be comparable to time spent, in the current version of Diablo 3, browsing the Auction House.
Yes, it would be less efficient, but the proposed system might achieve Blizzards goals with the removal of the auction houses, but who knows...On the other hand, you could very well be correct in that it would be worse for Diablo 3. Don't get me wrong, I would still love playing Diablo 3 even if no new system be added to the game to support trading once the auction houses are removed.
I suppose my intentions for creating this thread were with hopes that people would brainstorm ideas for systems they WOULD LIKE to see implemented as opposed to simply saying 'NO' (which I have no problems with; I respect all opinions) to my idea. But would those people opposed to my idea, please add a description of a system you might find interesting or desirable? Or what about some changes to Battle.net you'd like to see?
I know there are many better, awesome ideas out there...c'mon guys!
I'm not quite sure how a trading post differs from an auction house honestly. I've thought about it really just concluded that Blizzard may as well keep the AH if a trading post is the alternative. I guess it depends on how one would define a trading post however most of the idea's I've seen about a trading post simply mimic the functionality of the Auction House without instant transaction. Same with other suggestions such as battle.net functionality. I think what is needed is either nothing at all or trading games. Trading games could be a big pain in the ass though because of 4 player party limits.
I think the objective of Loot 2.0 in combination of removing the AH is the end goal of having less items floating around. First off loot 2.0 will decrease the drop rate of legendary items and increase the quality. I think this will result in more gear staying on accounts. Then removing the AH limits the ability for a player to just go "shopping" I guess I will call it.
I think if Legendary items are more desirable forum trading/chat trading while may increase in volume will increase in variety and quality. Right now you see plenty of threads/posts in chat however most of time the item is considered average. This is an effect the AH has. Without the ability to filter gear to your liking that average piece may become the best item your character ever equips. So while volume increases it won't exactly be "spam" because players will be linking quality items that will intrigue people.
Also now you see players gather 5-10 items then try to sell them in bulk in chat which takes up a lot of space in chat. I think players will be trading items quickly and alone. This is because drops won't be as common and all will be valuable. So if I get a Wizard Chest I know I can trade it quickly for a Barb item (or whatever scenario you want to think of). Also to reduce volume they could break up the trade channels into even smaller regions.
Blizzard has said they have improved chat features coming so I think this will play a big part in the future of trading in Diablo III.
In response to your first paragraph, in my original post I suggested that players have the ability upon game creation to select type 'Trade Game'. In doing so the player creates a game where up to 12 players may join, but would be bound inside the town and not be allowed to cast/perform any skills. Something like this also might be beneficial to a clan/guild system where clan members can join together and chat, make plans, or whatever. I think that'd be cool simply as a social feature; interacting with many clan members in a game as opposed to being restrained to a chat channel; a rectangle with words. Being able to see your their actualy characters does add some additional socialization.
My actual prediction however is different; Blizzard removes the AH's, RoS launches and a new game tag is introduced, trading. There might be further changes down the road, but I'm guessing that'l be it at launch.
I hope it will be more than that. Because how on earth would we be supposed to find the item we are looking for by joining random trade games?
I don't think Blizz would want players just hopping in and out of 'Trade Games' looking for a particular item. I believe that would cause an undesirable online experience for players.
Bleu42: I like what you said about having the ability to link 'Trade Cubes'. That would definitely cause less clutter.
With the removal of all auction houses in the not so distant future, I figured I’d create a thread where the community can discuss their thoughts regarding the future of trade supporting systems in Diablo 3 come Reaper of Souls, Loot 2.0, etc.
Do you think Blizzard will implement a new system to support trading from player to player? (I’m unsure if Blizzard has announced any info on this topic; I’ve yet to see anything)
If so,
(1) What would you like to see added to the game to aid and promote trading items from one player to another?
(2) What do you think Blizzard WILL DO? (Solely remove the auctions houses and nothing else, or add a new system to support trading?)
I’m predicting (and hoping) that Blizzard will not solely remove the SC and HC auction houses and call trading in Diablo 3 ‘good to go’. In my opinion, Blizzard will likely implement some kind of new economic system to support/aid trading between players granting players a higher probability of locating another player possessing the item he/she desires and eventually being able to obtain said item. I also believe that players will be able to attach a name and description to their games upon creation similar to Diablo 2. In turn, players looking to join a game with the sole intention to trade items with other players can choose from a list which game containing a description that best matches their search criteria.
NOTE: Below is just speculation, or rather, something that might work well in Diablo 3…but who knows…
I think it would be cool if players could create ‘Trade Games’, ones where players can gather to just trade/sell/buy items. ‘Trade Games’ can have a maximum of 12 players. Players are bound to staying inside town, and also cannot cast any skills (this is why 12 players is possible). Each player now has a new container, much like the Horadric Cube from Diablo 2, which players keep in their inventory to hold their most valuable/desirable items that they wish to trade/sell. Players in the game can right click + click Inspect Trade Cube (or something?) and inspect other players’ items stored in this container. From there, if a player sees something they like, they can initiate a chat with the other player to try and trade/buy the item, etc. Possibly promoting socialization and the online multiplayer experience.
Keep in mind this is just an idea of mine; I’m unsure if it would work well in Diablo 3, but what do you guys think?
Really? I only play hardcore and 99.9% of level 60 chars are wearing either crafted Archon shoulders or Vile Wards in the shoulder slot...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar
He may also want to take a look at the link I've provided.
I completely agree with you in that items should not be searchable, available in mass, like the current Auction House. However, a trading support system doesn't have to be so 'black and white' as so many have attempted to argue in this thread. With one end of the spectrum being the AH (seemingly infinite items at every players finger tips; allows for 'shopping sprees') and the opposite end being bound to 'Diablo 2' style trading where players are forced to use online trading forums, battle.net chat channels, and game descriptions as the only avenues to support trading.
I'm surprised to see so many people FOR 'Diablo 2' style trading. I'm all for the removal of the AH, but going back to 'Diablo 2' style trading, although it would be an easy transition for many of us who became used to that form of trading during the D2 days, would be boring/not-fun for the majority of players. I believe there is middle ground, a system far more inefficient than the AH (which is a good thing), but one that is new, exciting, and brings added flavor(?) to the game. What that system is...I don't know, but it's implementation is very possible for RoS.
ANYWAYS, I hope we hear some kind of announcement during Blizzcon relating to this topic, or at least info regarding the Battle.net improvements they plan to implement. I feel as if the info announced by Blizz at Blizzcon is sort of a 'make it or break it' for some players. Would you guys agree there is an added sense of pressure for Blizz to announce exciting new info for the RoS release and Loot 2.0 compared to years past?
Also, someone mentioned they'd seen threads detailing ideas for a 'Trading Post'; was this from other forums? Can someone define/explain some of the basic details you're referring to (because I haven't read anything regarding this)? I'm simply curious. I approach the whole 'Trading Post' subject cautiously because from simply the name it, well, sounds similar to the AH. However, until I read more about it, I want to keep an open mind. Anyone?
I agree with you in that the scenario of simply going back to Diablo 2 style mean of trading is very likely. And like someone else said, Battle.net improvements could result in a vast improvement for player trading experience if the DIablo 2 style direction is taken by Blizz.
Either way, I think we can all agree that no matter what happens after the auction houses are removed, players who put in more time attempting to trade will have a much higher success rate of making a trade for an item they desire with another player. As a result, the same player spending time searching to make a trade in turn will have 'lost' that time in-game slaying monsters; having a chance to get that l33t item drop. Different players will continue to enjoy different aspects of the game and it goes without being said that having options is always better than having none. Some players would use a new system and some would not; choice is key.
Also, Pietrak: Could you possibly detail some features you'd like to see in the Trading Post idea you mentioned? Thx!
I respect your opinion and understand your perspective, and yes, I agree standing in town might be unbearable for you and many others. However, I think there is a large number of players who would take part in creating/joining these 'Trade Games' I detailed in my original post and might also enjoy the the socialization of the 12-player game experience as well as possibly trading for an item they desire. In my opinion, as far as player enjoyment, the time a player would spend in a 'Trade Game' could very well be comparable to time spent, in the current version of Diablo 3, browsing the Auction House.
Yes, it would be less efficient, but the proposed system might achieve Blizzards goals with the removal of the auction houses, but who knows...On the other hand, you could very well be correct in that it would be worse for Diablo 3. Don't get me wrong, I would still love playing Diablo 3 even if no new system be added to the game to support trading once the auction houses are removed.
I suppose my intentions for creating this thread were with hopes that people would brainstorm ideas for systems they WOULD LIKE to see implemented as opposed to simply saying 'NO' (which I have no problems with; I respect all opinions) to my idea. But would those people opposed to my idea, please add a description of a system you might find interesting or desirable? Or what about some changes to Battle.net you'd like to see?
I know there are many better, awesome ideas out there...c'mon guys!
In response to your first paragraph, in my original post I suggested that players have the ability upon game creation to select type 'Trade Game'. In doing so the player creates a game where up to 12 players may join, but would be bound inside the town and not be allowed to cast/perform any skills. Something like this also might be beneficial to a clan/guild system where clan members can join together and chat, make plans, or whatever. I think that'd be cool simply as a social feature; interacting with many clan members in a game as opposed to being restrained to a chat channel; a rectangle with words. Being able to see your their actualy characters does add some additional socialization.
I don't think Blizz would want players just hopping in and out of 'Trade Games' looking for a particular item. I believe that would cause an undesirable online experience for players.
Bleu42: I like what you said about having the ability to link 'Trade Cubes'. That would definitely cause less clutter.
Do you think Blizzard will implement a new system to support trading from player to player? (I’m unsure if Blizzard has announced any info on this topic; I’ve yet to see anything)
If so,
(1) What would you like to see added to the game to aid and promote trading items from one player to another?
(2) What do you think Blizzard WILL DO? (Solely remove the auctions houses and nothing else, or add a new system to support trading?)
I’m predicting (and hoping) that Blizzard will not solely remove the SC and HC auction houses and call trading in Diablo 3 ‘good to go’. In my opinion, Blizzard will likely implement some kind of new economic system to support/aid trading between players granting players a higher probability of locating another player possessing the item he/she desires and eventually being able to obtain said item. I also believe that players will be able to attach a name and description to their games upon creation similar to Diablo 2. In turn, players looking to join a game with the sole intention to trade items with other players can choose from a list which game containing a description that best matches their search criteria.
NOTE: Below is just speculation, or rather, something that might work well in Diablo 3…but who knows…
I think it would be cool if players could create ‘Trade Games’, ones where players can gather to just trade/sell/buy items. ‘Trade Games’ can have a maximum of 12 players. Players are bound to staying inside town, and also cannot cast any skills (this is why 12 players is possible). Each player now has a new container, much like the Horadric Cube from Diablo 2, which players keep in their inventory to hold their most valuable/desirable items that they wish to trade/sell. Players in the game can right click + click Inspect Trade Cube (or something?) and inspect other players’ items stored in this container. From there, if a player sees something they like, they can initiate a chat with the other player to try and trade/buy the item, etc. Possibly promoting socialization and the online multiplayer experience.
Keep in mind this is just an idea of mine; I’m unsure if it would work well in Diablo 3, but what do you guys think?
I'm sure my IRL friend would love Citadel Braid for his noob WD. Also, Silver Cleats if possible. Thanks.
I won't be online for awhile though since I just got to work. Saving it for me/him would be siiiick!
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I think we can work something out. I will message you when I get online in a couple hours.