Force was being polite he knows why he quit he just didnt wanna blame blizzard.
The game was made too casual.
No pvp, and they have very little plans too support it.
The quests give no rewards other then xp and gold, xp becomes useless and gold becomes a ah and repair sink. Quest in d2 were optional and gave stat and skill benfits with no forced story down your throat.
We also had custom game names for random events like free's or certain boss runs. We had better communication and chat rooms.
What force doesnt really know too much is boss runs were funner in diablo, trade games is what made diablo fun, along with duel rooms.. people keep arguing against this are just wrong.
Let's analyse your post for a second (I didn't watch the vids, so you can flame me on that if you want)
PVP: They will be bringing this in, so it's not 'no pvp', it's delayed 'pvp'. If you want to make your argument valid, try to actually use the correct words. One point proven wrong.
CASUAL GAMEPLAY: Yes and no. Yes, normal and nightmare is piss easy - I could do it with my eyes closed and completely wasted while playing with only my toes. It's an embarrassment to D2 difficultly as Nightmare on D2 is harder than Hell in D3. Granted, it's casual - but have you even tried inferno? Some of us are die-hard fans who want impossible difficulty with awesome loot. But instead of finding awesome loot, we buy awesome loot, which makes the impossible difficulty even easier.
Buying off the AH is like cheating, it's like when I played Diablo 2 solo and I REALLY wanted that one bloody rune I could never farm easily and was unable to trade due to single player. Instead I would do thorough research of the items value, transmute it to gold value and eventually I'd acquire the 'gold price' for that item. So what I would then do is farm all the gold, toss it on the ground, exit and use a hero editor to add 'said' gem to my inventory. I didn't want to gain something without spending something, but I still felt like I was cheating. You are always going to have a nagging sense of cheating because it's 'too easy'.
Example "Oh...look at that awesome weapon...WHAT, only 10k? MINE!" Prices for good gear has dropped so much that the allure of using the AH/RMAH has become too tempting for most and I admit to using it more excessively that I wanted to and this attributes to the 'easy' feeling. If you had to farm every piece of equipment you have you'll see the true difficulty of Diablo.
QUESTS: The quests in D3 are merely standing points for levelling and the gold is just a bonus - it's nothing more. You don't farm an area to finish the quests and if you do, something is wrong with your picture. Progression through the game is mostly for the xp as you get more gold from the game itself by just playing. Quests are merely there to get a jump in experience if you are low level - after that they just become needless and act as milestones.
The rest of your post I agree with.
I said theres no pvp then I said then they wont have many plans on supporting it, meaning when they finially do add it, its not going to have much with it, you can look at forces pvp video too confirm that. Perhaps if your going to argue you should open your eye balls.
Im talking about casual in that there is NO builds no decissions at all, they could of made a way to build your character out with different options that are viable, but instead everyone is the same with different skills on there hot bar. But theres only 1-1.5 different hot bar builds, that actually work in inferno per class. And theres no way to negate or use timings, champion fights are a hp race... like getting in the intrapment.. only items can help you against effects and abit of skills.
Ull have to forgive any spelling errors and not adressing the rest, I didnt feel like reading it all and I gotta go.
Force was being polite he knows why he quit he just didnt wanna blame blizzard.
The game was made too casual.
No pvp, and they have very little plans too support it.
The quests give no rewards other then xp and gold, xp becomes useless and gold becomes a ah and repair sink. Quest in d2 were optional and gave stat and skill benfits with no forced story down your throat.
We also had custom game names for random events like free's or certain boss runs. We had better communication and chat rooms.
What force doesnt really know too much is boss runs were funner in diablo, trade games is what made diablo fun, along with duel rooms.. people keep arguing against this are just wrong.
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Skill change question topics and feedback topics about it.
I'm going to re-iterate this again: It doesn't mean you have magical knowledge as to the workings of said video game. You do not have a supreme understanding of how these values and number will work out in the end-game difficulty: aka Inferno. We also do not have said knowledge. You're passing it off as a fact - and you're also passing off that there's a need for two topics on the same issue.
Guy A makes topic saying: Skill changes incoming
Guy B makes topic saying: Skill changes are a nerf!
Same thing. Those two topics should really be in the same thread. A nerf to a skill would be a generalization to a change to a skill.
Here is a simple example, did you play wow? The market was not made up of ALL end game items they were just a small fraction. The main items will be nightmare and hell items for the "nubs" and possibly crafting materials. There will also be twinking items for PvP... the market as a whole is made up of many items not a small niche. Plus with the way the AH is designed you can always farm money to buy a high end item, granted it will take a while but it still can be done. I think you under estimate the term "veteran Diablo fan" if you reached hell mode and remade a few characters in D2 you are a veteran by comparison of the millions who never got passed normal mode.
what ? what ? what ?
wait, you comming with a wow example when end game items are bound ? really ? its like saying inferno items gonna be bound - then your example could be close to valid.
next thing how you can call hell items for twinks ? they probably gonna be lvl 60 also, probably from the last areas (if they didnt change it with this news).
next - its not WoW - in diablo with ah you will be always chasing best items. whats worst you even admit at the end that people will save money (or made them somehow) for end game items. and you saying that im wrong ? you just said the same.
People still have to level. There will always be an influx of new players. Said new players will want better gear while leveling - that way the experience is enjoyable. That was his point. How can you even ignore something like that?
well since the trigger happy mod locked my topic disgussing if it was a nerf or a buff, to force every single disgussion about it in a flooded topic, Ill just say I hope that the monsters got harder then orginially or its just a nerf... I hope atleast the last act is harder then the orginal.. or this is just a nerf.. and bad news.
Nuvian is far from trigger happy. He locked it because there was another topic discussing the change to Inferno - and it was literally RIGHT BELOW the one you created.
Edit: We don't need that many topics discussing the recent change to Inferno on the forum. There's really only a need for one - thus, his actions.
Like I didnt know that and even state it in my thread? I think a thread dedicated to figuring out if this was a nerf or a buff is a worthy topic concidering the subject of this topic is just a annoucment. Last time I checked, you can still disgusss similar things or else these forums would have alot less topics. Maybe trigger happy isnt correct, but blizzard wouldent lock this just because theres a similar topic.
Why not just post in this thread instead? It's literally the same exact thing. You created a second thread about it - when all you had to do was pop into this thread, give your opinion, and ask for others. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard would lock it because it would lead to trolling and flaming. Just saying.
Edit: Do us a favor and try to keep it on topic though. Kthx
Edit 2: You won't be able to figure out if a change like this is a nerf or buff. You, and we, have not played past the first 33% of Act I in Normal. It's asinine to even assume things as this stage.
You must not follow the diablo forums. Even things that been asked and answered a million times blizzard employes still post in the topic and answer it. 1. This is a question which no one knows the answer of. 2. Its a strong concern. 3. A important thing to disguss seperatley and not have "ty for the announcement" in half the posts.. because thats what this IS. Every time I look at a blizzard annoucment I see topics about the problems of the changes or questions. Really dont argue this lol
I'm pretty sure what you just said was incoherent rambling. I'll state it again. What we think now is pretty stupid considering we haven't even experienced NORMAL difficulty. We can discuss how Inferno is AFTER we play it. Any argument that that statement isn't 100% true is silly.
I do follow the DIII forums - and you know what I see? A bunch of cry-babies who haven't even experienced the game for themselves - yet they think they have the knowledge to cry nerf or buff every fifteen seconds.
Edit: And just for added irony - I like how your first point is that nobody knows the answer. Yet you feel you should ask us? Not too sure if serious.
No. Thats a ramble. What IM saying is if they nerfed it, its stupid. Im sure most people agree with me they didnt want inferno nerfed at all. So I think alot of people agree they wanna know if this means inferno will get any buffs or it just was nerfed. Because Now if its easyer you can get inferno gear easyer thus making ALL inferno easyer.
Glad you think most of the diablo 3 people are cry babbys.
You never heard of asking people for what they think or a opinion? or them finding it out if its confirmed? People still ask questions even if there isnt a answer for one buddy
Did I say that we didn't ask said questions? I said there wasn't a point to you passing off it being NERFED as a FACT. It's an opinion - and none of us will KNOW the TRUTH until we play it. That was my POINT. If you can't see that, then...well...rofl.
Also - I didn't ramble. Me rambling would have meant I strayed from my original point. The only thing I did was place my thoughts down against yours. I was countering your statements.
Its a fact that its nerfed if the monsters didnt scale from the levels they were at orginially. Its simple logic.. that was the point of asking.. to find out.. And you plainly implyed theres no point in asking if theres no answer.
You must not follow the diablo forums. Even things that been asked and answered a million times blizzard employes still post in the topic and answer it. 1. This is a question which no one knows the answer of. 2. Its a strong concern. 3. A important thing to disguss seperatley and not have "ty for the announcement" in half the posts.. because thats what this IS. Every time I look at a blizzard annoucment sticky, I see topics about the concerns of the changes, or questions. Really dont argue this lol
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Skill changes sticky leads to
Skill change question topics and feedback topics about it.
Don't think it helped that your title to "discuss if this means inferno was nerfed" was actually a declaration of it having HAD been nerfed.
Any way, again, I don't see it as a nerf. Its just strcutured in a way that works and makes sense now.
If the first section of inferno is easyer. Its a nerf. Reguardless what you think it is lol. And that would also mean a nerf too the latter difficulty even if the monsters level are the same as the original because you will have inferno gear from the earlyer acts. :Thumbs Up:
Here is a simple example, did you play wow? The market was not made up of ALL end game items they were just a small fraction. The main items will be nightmare and hell items for the "nubs" and possibly crafting materials. There will also be twinking items for PvP... the market as a whole is made up of many items not a small niche. Plus with the way the AH is designed you can always farm money to buy a high end item, granted it will take a while but it still can be done. I think you under estimate the term "veteran Diablo fan" if you reached hell mode and remade a few characters in D2 you are a veteran by comparison of the millions who never got passed normal mode.
what ? what ? what ?
wait, you comming with a wow example when end game items are bound ? really ? its like saying inferno items gonna be bound - then your example could be close to valid.
next thing how you can call hell items for twinks ? they probably gonna be lvl 60 also, probably from the last areas (if they didnt change it with this news).
next - its not WoW - in diablo with ah you will be always chasing best items. whats worst you even admit at the end that people will save money (or made them somehow) for end game items. and you saying that im wrong ? you just said the same.
People still have to level. There will always be an influx of new players. Said new players will want better gear while leveling - that way the experience is enjoyable. That was his point. How can you even ignore something like that?
well since the trigger happy mod locked my topic disgussing if it was a nerf or a buff, to force every single disgussion about it in a flooded topic, Ill just say I hope that the monsters got harder then orginially or its just a nerf... I hope atleast the last act is harder then the orginal.. or this is just a nerf.. and bad news.
Nuvian is far from trigger happy. He locked it because there was another topic discussing the change to Inferno - and it was literally RIGHT BELOW the one you created.
Edit: We don't need that many topics discussing the recent change to Inferno on the forum. There's really only a need for one - thus, his actions.
Like I didnt know that and even state it in my thread? I think a thread dedicated to figuring out if this was a nerf or a buff is a worthy topic concidering the subject of this topic is just a annoucment. Last time I checked, you can still disgusss similar things or else these forums would have alot less topics. Maybe trigger happy isnt correct, but blizzard wouldent lock this just because theres a similar topic.
Why not just post in this thread instead? It's literally the same exact thing. You created a second thread about it - when all you had to do was pop into this thread, give your opinion, and ask for others. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard would lock it because it would lead to trolling and flaming. Just saying.
Edit: Do us a favor and try to keep it on topic though. Kthx
Edit 2: You won't be able to figure out if a change like this is a nerf or buff. You, and we, have not played past the first 33% of Act I in Normal. It's asinine to even assume things as this stage.
You must not follow the diablo forums. Even things that been asked and answered a million times blizzard employes still post in the topic and answer it. 1. This is a question which no one knows the answer of. 2. Its a strong concern. 3. A important thing to disguss seperatley and not have "ty for the announcement" in half the posts.. because thats what this IS. Every time I look at a blizzard annoucment I see topics about the problems of the changes or questions. Really dont argue this lol
I'm pretty sure what you just said was incoherent rambling. I'll state it again. What we think now is pretty stupid considering we haven't even experienced NORMAL difficulty. We can discuss how Inferno is AFTER we play it. Any argument that that statement isn't 100% true is silly.
I do follow the DIII forums - and you know what I see? A bunch of cry-babies who haven't even experienced the game for themselves - yet they think they have the knowledge to cry nerf or buff every fifteen seconds.
Edit: And just for added irony - I like how your first point is that nobody knows the answer. Yet you feel you should ask us? Not too sure if serious.
No. Thats a ramble. What IM saying is if they nerfed it, its stupid. Im sure most people agree with me they didnt want inferno nerfed at all. So I think alot of people agree they wanna know if this means inferno will get any buffs or it just was nerfed. Because Now if its easyer you can get inferno gear easyer thus making ALL inferno easyer.
Glad you think most of the diablo 3 people are cry babbys.
You never heard of asking people for what they think or a opinion? or them finding it out if its confirmed? People still ask questions even if there isnt a answer for one buddy
Here is a simple example, did you play wow? The market was not made up of ALL end game items they were just a small fraction. The main items will be nightmare and hell items for the "nubs" and possibly crafting materials. There will also be twinking items for PvP... the market as a whole is made up of many items not a small niche. Plus with the way the AH is designed you can always farm money to buy a high end item, granted it will take a while but it still can be done. I think you under estimate the term "veteran Diablo fan" if you reached hell mode and remade a few characters in D2 you are a veteran by comparison of the millions who never got passed normal mode.
what ? what ? what ?
wait, you comming with a wow example when end game items are bound ? really ? its like saying inferno items gonna be bound - then your example could be close to valid.
next thing how you can call hell items for twinks ? they probably gonna be lvl 60 also, probably from the last areas (if they didnt change it with this news).
next - its not WoW - in diablo with ah you will be always chasing best items. whats worst you even admit at the end that people will save money (or made them somehow) for end game items. and you saying that im wrong ? you just said the same.
People still have to level. There will always be an influx of new players. Said new players will want better gear while leveling - that way the experience is enjoyable. That was his point. How can you even ignore something like that?
well since the trigger happy mod locked my topic disgussing if it was a nerf or a buff, to force every single disgussion about it in a flooded topic, Ill just say I hope that the monsters got harder then orginially or its just a nerf... I hope atleast the last act is harder then the orginal.. or this is just a nerf.. and bad news.
Nuvian is far from trigger happy. He locked it because there was another topic discussing the change to Inferno - and it was literally RIGHT BELOW the one you created.
Edit: We don't need that many topics discussing the recent change to Inferno on the forum. There's really only a need for one - thus, his actions.
Like I didnt know that and even state it in my thread? I think a thread dedicated to figuring out if this was a nerf or a buff is a worthy topic concidering the subject of this topic is just a annoucment. Last time I checked, you can still disgusss similar things or else these forums would have alot less topics. Maybe trigger happy isnt correct, but blizzard wouldent lock this just because theres a similar topic.
Why not just post in this thread instead? It's literally the same exact thing. You created a second thread about it - when all you had to do was pop into this thread, give your opinion, and ask for others. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard would lock it because it would lead to trolling and flaming. Just saying.
Edit: Do us a favor and try to keep it on topic though. Kthx
Edit 2: You won't be able to figure out if a change like this is a nerf or buff. You, and we, have not played past the first 33% of Act I in Normal. It's asinine to even assume things as this stage.
You must not follow the diablo forums. Even things that been asked and answered a million times blizzard employes still post in the topic and answer it. 1. This is a question which no one knows the answer of. 2. Its a strong concern. 3. A important thing to disguss seperatley and not have "ty for the announcement" in half the posts.. because thats what this IS. Every time I look at a blizzard annoucment sticky, I see topics about the concerns of the changes, or questions. Really dont argue this lol
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Skill changes sticky leads to
Skill change question topics and feedback topics about it.
As you may seen on these forums or diablo.com forums, its no longer flat but does this thread asks: does this just mean that most of inferno got nerfed and became less farm material?
If the last 2 acts didnt get higher level monsters then how it was orignally going to be, this just means the first 3 acts became easyer (more casual) correct? That would be the only change
I ask anyone with acess to the diablo forums to ask if the acts are harder then they were going to be orginally (higher level monsters) because if not ALL this is, is a nerf of the first section of inferno
No mutual hostil is the only thing im going to keep complaining about once I get acess to diablo 3 forums.
Id prefer no rmah since you can only have 1 account and selling items would be far more dangerous and they wouldent need to simply give you a account with items on it. But blizzard makes a profit and this game is casual and real money can buy you anything so if blizzard makes a profit, maybe just maybe they will care about diablo enough to support it.
And the 4 player cap would be better off at 6, not everyone stays together and 3 other people is too little to be social and guild grinding. But I can live with it.
Chatrooms could use a ignore option,size scale, and mini player display.
But positives
The graphics are good, www.darkd3.com if you want the diablo 2 feel, but alot of diablo 3 is darker then act 1.
Great cinimatics
Alot of loot
Rune skills
Inferno mode
Cool item sets. Some are goofy, but some are great.
I baught a turtle beach earforce x11. Its cheap and comfortable and a good brand. But im sure the steelseries is good too I got a diablo mouse from them. Anything razer,turtle beach or steel series in your price range would be good. Theres also a d3 headset, probably one of the best for diablo 3, but its over priced due to the brand and flash
ah ya thought there was invisable dye too, remember a blue confirming it, but also thought they might of removed it. and ya I remember that photo but didnt think it'd have that last tier monk helmet on, pretty strange how thats the only picture of it. Thanks
By invisable helmet I meant like the circuit in d2.
Ok thanks was just woundering.
Its kinda of stupid if you dont got room for somthing and 1 of your characters needs it cant cant fit in the stash (most of it you need to unlock) theres no way to keep the item drops unless you give it to a friend to hold
Can anyone answer these? Ive been woundering these 3 questions for a long time. I know pretty much all details on diablo 3 but these not really talked about at all
So does monk not have a tier 16 helm, or is it just invisable?
Do you get item drops near dead createres that you werent near? Like a frind in a different warp killed things, will I not get drops for not being close?
If I leave game to switch a character, do all my personal loot drops on the ground from playing with my last character disapear? Since its bound or your own character, or is it by account and it save the drops when I rejoin
Im talking about casual in that there is NO builds no decissions at all, they could of made a way to build your character out with different options that are viable, but instead everyone is the same with different skills on there hot bar. But theres only 1-1.5 different hot bar builds, that actually work in inferno per class. And theres no way to negate or use timings, champion fights are a hp race... like getting in the intrapment.. only items can help you against effects and abit of skills.
Ull have to forgive any spelling errors and not adressing the rest, I didnt feel like reading it all and I gotta go.
The game was made too casual.
No pvp, and they have very little plans too support it.
The quests give no rewards other then xp and gold, xp becomes useless and gold becomes a ah and repair sink. Quest in d2 were optional and gave stat and skill benfits with no forced story down your throat.
We also had custom game names for random events like free's or certain boss runs. We had better communication and chat rooms.
What force doesnt really know too much is boss runs were funner in diablo, trade games is what made diablo fun, along with duel rooms.. people keep arguing against this are just wrong.
Glad you think most of the diablo 3 people are cry babbys.
You never heard of asking people for what they think or a opinion? or them finding it out if its confirmed? People still ask questions even if there isnt a answer for one buddy
Ex
Skill changes sticky leads to
Skill change question topics and feedback topics about it.
http://us.battle.net...132?page=24#467
If the last 2 acts didnt get higher level monsters then how it was orignally going to be, this just means the first 3 acts became easyer (more casual) correct? That would be the only change
I ask anyone with acess to the diablo forums to ask if the acts are harder then they were going to be orginally (higher level monsters) because if not ALL this is, is a nerf of the first section of inferno
Id prefer no rmah since you can only have 1 account and selling items would be far more dangerous and they wouldent need to simply give you a account with items on it. But blizzard makes a profit and this game is casual and real money can buy you anything so if blizzard makes a profit, maybe just maybe they will care about diablo enough to support it.
And the 4 player cap would be better off at 6, not everyone stays together and 3 other people is too little to be social and guild grinding. But I can live with it.
Chatrooms could use a ignore option,size scale, and mini player display.
But positives
The graphics are good, www.darkd3.com if you want the diablo 2 feel, but alot of diablo 3 is darker then act 1.
Great cinimatics
Alot of loot
Rune skills
Inferno mode
Cool item sets. Some are goofy, but some are great.
Arena pvp when they finially add it
Much more.
Ok thanks was just woundering.
Its kinda of stupid if you dont got room for somthing and 1 of your characters needs it cant cant fit in the stash (most of it you need to unlock) theres no way to keep the item drops unless you give it to a friend to hold
So does monk not have a tier 16 helm, or is it just invisable?
Do you get item drops near dead createres that you werent near? Like a frind in a different warp killed things, will I not get drops for not being close?
If I leave game to switch a character, do all my personal loot drops on the ground from playing with my last character disapear? Since its bound or your own character, or is it by account and it save the drops when I rejoin