But I can tell you that her voice-actor seems to be the same actor who does the voice for the Sorceress in Diablo II (Liana Young). But I could be wrong, I'm just going by sound (I listen to the Diablo NPC sound clips often, and when the girl in the cinematic spoke, I felt like I recognised her voice).
But that does not mean she is a Sorceress. Blizzard often use the same voice-actors for multiple characters.
What throne? As far as I know (and I could be wrong, as proven multiple times lol), that a physical throne of Hell is never mentioned. There is not a single ruler of Hell though, there are three rulers: Diablo, Mephisto and Baal. Or at least, they were the rulers, but since the Dark Exile (when they were 'banished' to Sanctuary), Azmodan and Belial have been fighting over rule of Hell. So I suppose you could say that Azmodan and Belial are the next in line for the 'throne', but until one of them is defeated or someone else more powerful comes along (Lilith? or if the Prime Evils return), they will forever fight over it and never actually claim it.
Ah, I was looking for that, but Solomir's site is temporarily down for some reason, and I can't find my game manual. Well, there's the hint you needed to support your theory. But, you could have provided that quote in the first place lol.
Maybe it's not the Hell Forge that matters in destroying the soulstone, but only the fact that you were in Hell, so that you don't release the spirit contain within the mortal world.
They make it seem as if the Hellforge is the only place that the stones can actually be destroyed. But yeah, there's nothing that completely disproves your theory.
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Seeing as the Prime Evils has planned their Dark Exile for along, it seems to me that they intended to use the soulstones to gain the powers of their target and perhaps in time even the power of the Nephalem. I'm pretty sure that the destruction of the Worldstone has been planned from the beginning by them.
Yes, I too have often thought that even the destruction of the Worldstone was part of their plan as well. I guess it was a win/win situation for them: corruption or destruction. But we'll find out the answer soon enough.
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Also, wasn't Lazarus the one possessing Mephisto's Soulstone, I always thought it was the reason why he became mad in the first place.
No, Mephisto's Soulstone was kept safe in the Guardian Tower in the Travincal. Lazarus was from there originally (as part of the Zakarum), but he seemed fine up until arriving at Tristram.
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Sensing that freedom was within his grasp, Diablo entered the nightmares of the Arch Bishop and lured him into the dark, subterranean labyrinth. In his terror, Lazarus raced throughout the abandoned hallways until he at last came to the chamber of the burning Soulstone.
I suppose it is possible that Mephisto already made him susceptible to Diablo's attack when Lazarus was in Kurast, but nothing hints at this. Though, if Diablo needed a body, I really don't know why he didn't just use Lazarus. A powerful mage such as Lazarus would have been perfect. Maybe Diablo was just having one of those days? lol.
Hmm, the soulstones are a tough one. I cannot predict the future - nor is that the purpose of this thread - but I can provide the already-established facts.
Lazarus shattered the soulstone in order to free Diablo. I'm assuming Diablo was just in some smokey or invisible form when he was released, because he was weak and needed to find a body:
Not long after Leoric took possession of Khanduras, a power long asleep awakened within the dark recesses beneath the Monastery. Sensing that freedom was within his grasp, Diablo entered the nightmares of the Arch-Bishop and lured him into the dark, subterranean labyrinth. In his terror, Lazarus raced throughout the abandoned hallways until he at last came to the chamber of the burning Soulstone. No longer in command of his body or spirit, he raised the stone above his head and uttered words long forgotten in the realm of mortals. His will destroyed, Lazarus shattered the Soulstone upon the ground. Diablo once again came into the world of Man. Although he was released from his imprisonment within the Soulstone, the Lord of Terror was still greatly weakened from his long sleep and required an anchor to the world. Once he had found a mortal form to wear, he could begin to reclaim his vastly depleted power. The great demon weighed the souls residing in the town above, and chose to take the strongest of them - that of King Leoric.
It is indeed a type of prison:
The Soulstones affect only beings that are non-corporeal and thus have no power over living, breathing creatures. When invoked, the Soulstones bring into being a strong "spiritual" vacuum. Any non-physical entities caught within this vacuum are drawn into the burning recesses of the Soulstone and are forever trapped within. These spirits are released only when the Soulstone is deactivated or destroyed.
Three Brothers found that they were immune to the effects of the Stones while occupying human souls.
When a Soulstone is shattered, it is not enough to contain a Prime Evil, and so needs a human body to help contain it (though we know that never works, as both the Warrior and Tal-Rasha lost the spiritual battle.
The capture of their brother Baal, however, became complicated when the Soulstone that was to be his eternal prison was shattered and fragmented. We found that while the shards still held the power to lure the demon to them, they could not properly contain it.
Apparently, shattering a soulstone can easily be done (as with Lazarus and in the battle with Baal and the Horadrim). But shattering it doesn't destroy it, it just splits it. To actually destroy a Soulstone, one needs to use the Hellforge.
Cain: The time has come for you to destroy Mephisto's Soulstone! Take the Stone to the Hellforge. Place it upon the forge and strike it soundly with the Hammer. Only by doing this can you prevent Mephisto from manifesting in this world ever again.
So, shattering makes it harder to contain the Prime Evils, but destroying it (once the Prime Evil's essence has been capture) sends them back to the Black Abyss that spawned them.\
And yes, the Soulstones are useless. Tyrael was tricked into using them against the Three. They actually ended up making the Three stronger, lol. Well, right up until the Soulstones were actually destroyed and sent them back to the black abyss. In the end, we seem to have won, but we don't know that for sure.
Izual: Tyrael was a fool to have trusted me! You see, it was I who told Diablo and his Brothers about the Soulstones and how to corrupt them. It was I who helped the Prime Evils mastermind their own exile to your world. The plan we set in motion so long ago cannot be stopped by any mortal agency. Hell, itself, is poised to spill forth into your world like a tidal wave of blood and nightmares. You and all your kind... are doomed.
Tyrael: Thank you, hero, for putting Izual's tortured spirit to rest. May the Light protect you and the powers of Heaven shine upon your path. But, if what you tell me is true, then I fear that we have been played for fools all along. Izual helped Diablo and his Brothers trick me into using the Soulstones against them... Now the Stones' powers are corrupted. With the combined powers of the Soulstones under their control, the Prime Evils will be able to turn the mortal world into a permanent outpost of Hell!
Yeah, he's talking about the Fallen Ones. They are the ones that are on the surface of the Labyrinth, so they can easily go into town to terrorise them. And it is also said that Wirt was taken by the "Butcher's little friends", and since the Butcher is on level 2, his only friends can be Fallen, Skeletons, Zombies or Scavengers, I'm pretty sure. Fallen are the only ones with spears.
Yeah, nah, you're right. I was getting Farnham and Wirt confused.
The story of Wirt is a frightening and tragic one. He was taken from the arms of his mother and dragged into the labyrinth by the small, foul demons that wield wicked spears. There were many other children taken that day, including the son of King Leoric. The Knights of the palace went below, but never returned. The Blacksmith found the boy, but only after the foul beasts had begun to torture him for their sadistic pleasures.
Ah, I see. That is strange. Well, I guess, somewhere in legend there must be a story that tells of a boy who gets taken by hideous creatures; his leg gets chopped off and replaced with a wooden leg; he gets forever tainted by the evil that captured him; his mother dies; he falls in love with someone that isn't suited to him; he gets hold of powerful items and sells them for ridiculous prices in the hopes of running away with the woman he loves; and in the end he is fated to die at the hands of Terror and his wooden leg becomes a key to a portal that leads to crazed demonic cows.
Makes sense. lol. So Cain knew all along about the cow portal then? Heh.
I really have no idea. A lot of these subplots aren't fully explained. Like where Adria came from.
Edit: Wirt lost his leg to the Butcher. He was taken down there, and Griswold saved him.
Edit 2: Actually, it wasn't the Butcher, see my post below.
And we don't know whether Cain was telling those stories to Wirt before or after he lost his leg. If it was after, I don't know what else there could be to tell, other than the cows. But as Genesis said, the cows weren't planned from the beginning.
Dark riders? I don't know who they are exactly. Perhaps they are just corrupted humans? I searched the text (on Solomir's website) for anything, and nothing of their origin is spoken.
But I can't find the quote that references to Wirt's story being foretold in legend. Could you try and find it?
Yeah, thats right, there are a few definitions of maiden. It can also mean 'unmarried girl', or a horse which has never won a race. It seems to be associated with 'has never done something'.
But I think it was really just chosen because it sounds cool, because I Andariel is also described as a Matron by Blood Raven (note my sig). And I don't really think Andariel is the head of a group of nurses lol. Although, you could kind of consider Rogues to be nurses in that they are all female.
If the definition of 'Maiden' is 'virgin', does that mean Andariel, the Maiden of Anguish, is a virgin? lol. Or is she a 'virgin of anguish', that she has never before experienced anguish but inflicts it upon others? I know, there's no real answer lol. Its just a cool-sounding title.
Btw, I was planning on answering the 'Who is Trag'Oul?' question properly, but I guess its not necessary to go all the way with a huge list of quotes lol. Unless someone still wants me to.
No, he was in the Void. I'm pretty sure Inarius sent him there, so Mendeln had to get him out.
This is mostly all we know about the Worldstone. It doesn't explain what would happen if it didn't exist though. The Worldstone is tricky, because it can be used to dampen the Nephalem's powers, but it can also be used to amplify their powers. Inarius altered the Worldstone so it would dampen the Nephalem's powers because they were too powerful.
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“Inarius thought the nephalem a disease, a disgrace to what he was. To him, we should have never been. He only agreed to consider our fate as opposed to erasing us from existence because of the protests of the others. I feel that he would have yet chosen to follow through with his original intention if not for my mother murdering the other refugees. That act altered everything. Had Inarius exterminated us afterward, then he would have been all alone, something which even he could not stand. Yet, the notion of the nephalem disgusted him and that is why he took the Worldstone—which had been created in great part as a manner by which to hide Sanctuary from the eyes of the High Heavens and the Burning Hells—and altered its resonance.”
“What it means is thus; in addition to secreting this realm, the Worldstone also began a steady and
subtle dampening process. Each succeeding generation of nephalem became far less powerful than
the previous, until, in very short order, those next born were bereft of any ability. Soon, only a few
from the first generation—myself and Bul-Kathos, to name the obvious—survived. The gifts—or
curse—of our forebears was forgotten. Inarius began reshaping Sanctuary to his satisfaction…and to
his iron rule.”
Uldyssian could feel the Worldstone’s radiance and did not doubt that it had the ability to utterly
smother his powers. Yet, why was it not doing so now?
“This is the work of Lilith,” Rathma quietly declared.
“Clearly, my mother altered the resonance of the Worldstone again, so that now its effect is minimal
and limited more or less to Mount Arreat, if that. Even in its presence, you were able to overcome it.
With the Worldstone no longer a hindrance, the natural process enabling the nephalem powers could
now flourish. You are the result of that…the first, anyway.”
The more he stood near it, the more Uldyssian sensed the Worldstone’s emanations. He imagined
them a thousand times greater…no, a thousand thousand times. What Rathma had said made more
sense. With such mighty forces sweeping over Sanctuary, his kind would surely never have come into
existence. Only Lilith’s interference had changed that.
“Can the Worldstone really be altered to make us more powerful?”
“No, not directly, but it can be altered to encourage the gifts’ growth. That would, in essence, result
in much the same of what you desire.”
Ohh, I missed that inclination in his post. Yeah, nah, the troubles began before Adria showed up. Remember the whole King Leoric thing? She wasn't there when he was corrupted, she only came recently when everyone else fled town.
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The witch, Adria, is an anomaly here in Tristram. She arrived shortly after the Cathedral was desecrated while most everyone else was fleeing. She had a small hut constructed at the edge of town, seemingly overnight, and has access to many strange and arcane artifacts and tomes of knowledge that even I have never seen before.
lol, and note the word 'seemingly' overnight. She could have been constructing the hut for years in secrecy, and whenever anyone asked if she was building a hut nearby, she could have replied with "I definitely appreciate that the town has a lot of interest in seeing a hut built, but I'm afraid I don't have any plans to build at this time."
@ LarryNC: We don't know what happened to her. I would like to find out too, she was an interesting character. We don't know that she definitely escaped either, but it is likely because she is such a tricky character lol.
Ahh, thank you Solomir. That is a very interesting find indeed.
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But I can tell you that her voice-actor seems to be the same actor who does the voice for the Sorceress in Diablo II (Liana Young). But I could be wrong, I'm just going by sound (I listen to the Diablo NPC sound clips often, and when the girl in the cinematic spoke, I felt like I recognised her voice).
But that does not mean she is a Sorceress. Blizzard often use the same voice-actors for multiple characters.
They make it seem as if the Hellforge is the only place that the stones can actually be destroyed. But yeah, there's nothing that completely disproves your theory.
Yes, I too have often thought that even the destruction of the Worldstone was part of their plan as well. I guess it was a win/win situation for them: corruption or destruction. But we'll find out the answer soon enough.
No, Mephisto's Soulstone was kept safe in the Guardian Tower in the Travincal. Lazarus was from there originally (as part of the Zakarum), but he seemed fine up until arriving at Tristram.
I suppose it is possible that Mephisto already made him susceptible to Diablo's attack when Lazarus was in Kurast, but nothing hints at this. Though, if Diablo needed a body, I really don't know why he didn't just use Lazarus. A powerful mage such as Lazarus would have been perfect. Maybe Diablo was just having one of those days? lol.
Lazarus shattered the soulstone in order to free Diablo. I'm assuming Diablo was just in some smokey or invisible form when he was released, because he was weak and needed to find a body:
It is indeed a type of prison:
When a Soulstone is shattered, it is not enough to contain a Prime Evil, and so needs a human body to help contain it (though we know that never works, as both the Warrior and Tal-Rasha lost the spiritual battle.
Apparently, shattering a soulstone can easily be done (as with Lazarus and in the battle with Baal and the Horadrim). But shattering it doesn't destroy it, it just splits it. To actually destroy a Soulstone, one needs to use the Hellforge.
So, shattering makes it harder to contain the Prime Evils, but destroying it (once the Prime Evil's essence has been capture) sends them back to the Black Abyss that spawned them.\
And yes, the Soulstones are useless. Tyrael was tricked into using them against the Three. They actually ended up making the Three stronger, lol. Well, right up until the Soulstones were actually destroyed and sent them back to the black abyss. In the end, we seem to have won, but we don't know that for sure.
Makes sense. lol. So Cain knew all along about the cow portal then? Heh.
I really have no idea. A lot of these subplots aren't fully explained. Like where Adria came from.
Edit: Wirt lost his leg to the Butcher. He was taken down there, and Griswold saved him.
Edit 2: Actually, it wasn't the Butcher, see my post below.
And we don't know whether Cain was telling those stories to Wirt before or after he lost his leg. If it was after, I don't know what else there could be to tell, other than the cows. But as Genesis said, the cows weren't planned from the beginning.
But I can't find the quote that references to Wirt's story being foretold in legend. Could you try and find it?
But I think it was really just chosen because it sounds cool, because I Andariel is also described as a Matron by Blood Raven (note my sig). And I don't really think Andariel is the head of a group of nurses lol. Although, you could kind of consider Rogues to be nurses in that they are all female.
If the definition of 'Maiden' is 'virgin', does that mean Andariel, the Maiden of Anguish, is a virgin? lol. Or is she a 'virgin of anguish', that she has never before experienced anguish but inflicts it upon others? I know, there's no real answer lol. Its just a cool-sounding title.
Btw, I was planning on answering the 'Who is Trag'Oul?' question properly, but I guess its not necessary to go all the way with a huge list of quotes lol. Unless someone still wants me to.
This is mostly all we know about the Worldstone. It doesn't explain what would happen if it didn't exist though. The Worldstone is tricky, because it can be used to dampen the Nephalem's powers, but it can also be used to amplify their powers. Inarius altered the Worldstone so it would dampen the Nephalem's powers because they were too powerful.
lol, and note the word 'seemingly' overnight. She could have been constructing the hut for years in secrecy, and whenever anyone asked if she was building a hut nearby, she could have replied with "I definitely appreciate that the town has a lot of interest in seeing a hut built, but I'm afraid I don't have any plans to build at this time."
Ahh, thank you Solomir. That is a very interesting find indeed.