.Yes, mathematically you can't get more than you give in reference to free energy.
Apologies for not replying to your whole post but this single line is basically an excellent conclusion to the whole discussion.
Mathematics is the most complete and advanced language known to the human race. If this particular experiment cannot be expressed in mathematics, it's null and void and is in the domain of science fiction.
Also regarding the China and Russia part, you do realize the implications of what you are saying? So do tell me why not more countries are following in the same steps? Why their whole societies are not being run on free energy?
Or are they already and i am unaware of it?
Yes, technoligies can be suppressed. Especially when you consider the size of influence that certain benefited structures can impose. You dont have to be a genius to understand that free energy would mean no more fossil fuel, and what comes right after that is, no more oil companies and extractors, conventional car manufacturers, and possibly everything that goes down that line like car tires companies and even simple car technichans around the world. Yes, there is a huge interest to stop free energy.
We had examples of free energy by the 19th century and possibly 10 thousand BC. Sceintists that researched the field were either harrased untill they stopped, or had their work demolished or simply killed, with no investgational conclusions.
We have free energy, right now. Our technology is not limited by what we know and what we do not. We are limited by ourselves and what we as a collective, allow ourselves to have. When this paradigm changes, it will be considred as the new age. When giant corporations that benefit from the status quo will no longer have the grip they use to grab us by the balls, thats when we will enter a new age.
Free energy can be created from thin air, water, THE SEA, magnetics, etc.
Sure, mathematically, you cant produce more energy thatn what you invested in the first place, but you can certainly use a big ammount of energy to start a big wave going, that will count almost as free energy especially if the infusor is some magnetic catalyst that requires activation like once a year. That is atleast a start.
When great scientists wanted to develop (and did) free electricity that reaches the far ends of the globe and basically every point on earth, they were coounteracted and replaced by nets of wires that kept us under control and paying bills.
Free energy can be created from thin air, water, THE SEA, magnetics, etc.
More serious: I've written this earlier in the URT:
Probably the biggest use is for making renewable energy bla bla everybody knows about dams and tubines etc. But one thing that was kinda a turning point was when I was in first year. We had to do a project about renewable energy and I came across one called VIVACE (vortex induced vibration for aquatic clean energy). Not going to go into details but uses slow moving water in rivers or at the sea bottom to generate electricity. It's 100% environmentally friendly and they predict that a group of VIVACE models as big as an athletics field, two stories high can power 100 000 houses.
I am talking about free energy and you are talking of alternative fuel.
Free energy is not just for vehicles. Its grasp is way too wide to be curtailed by one part of society that directly depends on oil for revenue.
That's why I mentioned conspiracy theory.
You are asking the same questions I asked 30 years ago. I hear you and would love to see it. Solar panels and wind energy are probably the closest thing to free energy you will get at present and neither are not cheap to install. I live in the desert where the sun shines 350 days out of the year and there are almost no tree's to stop the wind.
Guess what the Nevada state government nor our one and only power company in southern Nevada, NVEnergy, does not promote? Solar and wind power. You never hear about it in the news or in public service commercials. It would rock NVEnergy's gravy train boat, and the state of Nevada only cares about the corporate interests of NVEnergy, they make their money mostly from gambling profits through the state gaming commission. They don't give a shit and it pisses me off because I wouldn't have a huge electric bill each summer if I had solar panels.
I'm looking at buying a new house built just last year presently (if the damn loan would ever close) and I insisted on it being an energy efficient home. It has the best insulation you can get in a house, sadly no solar panels just regular air conditioning, and the coolest thing is the new "tankless" water heater. Here are two photo's I took during our walk through,
Plain old air conditioning, and when you live in hell you need 2 of them.
A tankless water heater, this I thought was pretty cool. I don't ever have to worry about a pilot light or replacing my rusty water heater tank. I'll save around 40% off my gas bill with it and it exceeds NOx emission standards.
The thing about anything free is it's never really free. Very few people will make or do anything that takes years, and years of effort without an incentive to do it. I would love to see a day when we all rose above the idea of needing money and got on with living StarTrek style but I don't believe there are enough enlightened people in the world to make that happen in our lifetime. I still watch TED videos and hope for that day though.
...and now you know how people become bitter when they get old.
For those about to play, be sure to talk to the drunk in the bar (he has no shirt) when he appears. He's says some funny shit about the Skeleton King. He may also elude to never making a bet against you again if you talk to him more than once.
Yes, technoligies can be suppressed. Especially when you consider the size of influence that certain benefited structures can impose. You dont have to be a genius to understand that free energy would mean no more fossil fuel, and what comes right after that is, no more oil companies and extractors, conventional car manufacturers, and possibly everything that goes down that line like car tires companies and even simple car technichans around the world. Yes, there is a huge interest to stop free energy.
We had examples of free energy by the 19th century and possibly 10 thousand BC. Sceintists that researched the field were either harrased untill they stopped, or had their work demolished or simply killed, with no investgational conclusions.
We have free energy, right now. Our technology is not limited by what we know and what we do not. We are limited by ourselves and what we as a collective, allow ourselves to have. When this paradigm changes, it will be considred as the new age. When giant corporations that benefit from the status quo will no longer have the grip they use to grab us by the balls, thats when we will enter a new age.
Free energy can be created from thin air, water, THE SEA, magnetics, etc.
Sure, mathematically, you cant produce more energy thatn what you invested in the first place, but you can certainly use a big ammount of energy to start a big wave going, that will count almost as free energy especially if the infusor is some magnetic catalyst that requires activation like once a year. That is atleast a start.
When great scientists wanted to develop (and did) free electricity that reaches the far ends of the globe and basically every point on earth, they were coounteracted and replaced by nets of wires that kept us under control and paying bills.
I hate to say it, but wake up people seriously.
Of course we have free energy (technology) but do we have enough resources (or possibly less greed) to allow every human being in the world to have a solar panel house? This leads to your paradigm shift (which I wanted to state earlier but I've been pressed for time). Even if we created self sufficient energy for EVERYONE on the planet, how would we create a ship harnessing the same capabilities to travel through space... solar winds please I'll see the next alien in 999999999999999999999999999999 years. Is it possible for us to not become doomed due to greed... maybe? Traveling beyond our solar system just isn't remotely realistic yet.
As Vegas stated it costs money and resources to implement mass production of any product. Most of these "free" energy's are not cheap or at least are restricted enough so they aren't cheap. The day everyone has free energy in their house is the day no child starves...
Hehehe look what I started.
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@Vegas- I was merely challenging Bleusnaks42's proposition of free energy. His was of energy being created out of nothing(said something of a 500% return which pretty much means just that).
You are talking of harnessing wind and solar energy which is completely different. And you rightly said these are not free. You need the equipment to convert that energy into usable form and there are costs involved in the maintenance of the equipment. One of the reasons why the use of solar panels hasn't taken off despite government advertisement and incentives in many parts of the world is the poor return of the latter.
We do not yet have a (truly) effective system in place to get the maximum out of an investment into such equipment. You need the start-up cash which tends to be substantial for most average middle class family. Then you need to maintain the whole damn thing which can be as equally expensive.
And at the end, you have the weather being a dick on some days. Cloudy weather? No wind? Well can't watch the tv, use the laptop today.
So it is essentially a long term investment into a resource whose availability remains erratic and the cost effectiveness is ambiguous for most.
Now to return to free energy as was described at the start of the whole discussion- it is very much of a science fiction proposition. And i remain utterly unconvinced that countries around the world have seemingly already developed the 'technology' to access such a resource. For one it essentially means there is an infinity of said resource and this would lead to repercussions in world economy/state that will hardly go unnoticed.
I am simply being sensible here.
@Vegas- I was merely challenging Bleusnaks42's proposition of free energy. His was of energy being created out of nothing(said something of a 500% return which pretty much means just that).
You are talking of harnessing wind and solar energy which is completely different. And you rightly said these are not free. You need the equipment to convert that energy into usable form and there are costs involved in the maintenance of the equipment. One of the reasons why the use of solar panels hasn't taken off despite government advertisement and incentives in many parts of the world is the poor return of the latter.
We do not yet have a (truly) effective system in place to get the maximum out of an investment into such equipment. You need the start-up cash which tends to be substantial for most average middle class family. Then you need to maintain the whole damn thing which can be as equally expensive.
And at the end, you have the weather being a dick on some days. Cloudy weather? No wind? Well can't watch the tv, use the laptop today.
So it is essentially a long term investment into a resource whose availability remains erratic and the cost effectiveness is ambiguous for most.
Now to return to free energy as was described at the start of the whole discussion- it is very much of a science fiction proposition. And i remain utterly unconvinced that countries around the world have seemingly already developed the 'technology' to access such a resource. For one it essentially means there is an infinity of said resource and this would lead to repercussions in world economy/state that will hardly go unnoticed.
I am simply being sensible here.
So what you are saying is I came midstream into your conversation with someone else and talked out my ass.
Note to self, quit making assumptions and talking out my ass.
Quick question, how fast was your download speed when you were downloading the beta? Mine's stuck below 120 kb/s, even though my usual speed is like 400, and I'm not downloading anything else. It's been like 7 hours since I started the download.
Also, fuck university and its assignments. I have a huge deadline in a few weeks and I'm already behind schedule. Stupid beta.
Apologies for not replying to your whole post but this single line is basically an excellent conclusion to the whole discussion.
Mathematics is the most complete and advanced language known to the human race. If this particular experiment cannot be expressed in mathematics, it's null and void and is in the domain of science fiction.
Also regarding the China and Russia part, you do realize the implications of what you are saying? So do tell me why not more countries are following in the same steps? Why their whole societies are not being run on free energy?
Or are they already and i am unaware of it?
We had examples of free energy by the 19th century and possibly 10 thousand BC. Sceintists that researched the field were either harrased untill they stopped, or had their work demolished or simply killed, with no investgational conclusions.
We have free energy, right now. Our technology is not limited by what we know and what we do not. We are limited by ourselves and what we as a collective, allow ourselves to have. When this paradigm changes, it will be considred as the new age. When giant corporations that benefit from the status quo will no longer have the grip they use to grab us by the balls, thats when we will enter a new age.
Free energy can be created from thin air, water, THE SEA, magnetics, etc.
Sure, mathematically, you cant produce more energy thatn what you invested in the first place, but you can certainly use a big ammount of energy to start a big wave going, that will count almost as free energy especially if the infusor is some magnetic catalyst that requires activation like once a year. That is atleast a start.
When great scientists wanted to develop (and did) free electricity that reaches the far ends of the globe and basically every point on earth, they were coounteracted and replaced by nets of wires that kept us under control and paying bills.
I hate to say it, but wake up people seriously.
Will get back to you peeps tonight.
More serious: I've written this earlier in the URT:
Probably the biggest use is for making renewable energy bla bla everybody knows about dams and tubines etc. But one thing that was kinda a turning point was when I was in first year. We had to do a project about renewable energy and I came across one called VIVACE (vortex induced vibration for aquatic clean energy). Not going to go into details but uses slow moving water in rivers or at the sea bottom to generate electricity. It's 100% environmentally friendly and they predict that a group of VIVACE models as big as an athletics field, two stories high can power 100 000 houses.
You are asking the same questions I asked 30 years ago. I hear you and would love to see it. Solar panels and wind energy are probably the closest thing to free energy you will get at present and neither are not cheap to install. I live in the desert where the sun shines 350 days out of the year and there are almost no tree's to stop the wind.
Guess what the Nevada state government nor our one and only power company in southern Nevada, NVEnergy, does not promote? Solar and wind power. You never hear about it in the news or in public service commercials. It would rock NVEnergy's gravy train boat, and the state of Nevada only cares about the corporate interests of NVEnergy, they make their money mostly from gambling profits through the state gaming commission. They don't give a shit and it pisses me off because I wouldn't have a huge electric bill each summer if I had solar panels.
I'm looking at buying a new house built just last year presently (if the damn loan would ever close) and I insisted on it being an energy efficient home. It has the best insulation you can get in a house, sadly no solar panels just regular air conditioning, and the coolest thing is the new "tankless" water heater. Here are two photo's I took during our walk through,
Plain old air conditioning, and when you live in hell you need 2 of them.
A tankless water heater, this I thought was pretty cool. I don't ever have to worry about a pilot light or replacing my rusty water heater tank. I'll save around 40% off my gas bill with it and it exceeds NOx emission standards.
The thing about anything free is it's never really free. Very few people will make or do anything that takes years, and years of effort without an incentive to do it. I would love to see a day when we all rose above the idea of needing money and got on with living StarTrek style but I don't believe there are enough enlightened people in the world to make that happen in our lifetime. I still watch TED videos and hope for that day though.
...and now you know how people become bitter when they get old.
Me.
Of course we have free energy (technology) but do we have enough resources (or possibly less greed) to allow every human being in the world to have a solar panel house? This leads to your paradigm shift (which I wanted to state earlier but I've been pressed for time). Even if we created self sufficient energy for EVERYONE on the planet, how would we create a ship harnessing the same capabilities to travel through space... solar winds please I'll see the next alien in 999999999999999999999999999999 years. Is it possible for us to not become doomed due to greed... maybe? Traveling beyond our solar system just isn't remotely realistic yet.
As Vegas stated it costs money and resources to implement mass production of any product. Most of these "free" energy's are not cheap or at least are restricted enough so they aren't cheap. The day everyone has free energy in their house is the day no child starves...
Hehehe look what I started.
You are talking of harnessing wind and solar energy which is completely different. And you rightly said these are not free. You need the equipment to convert that energy into usable form and there are costs involved in the maintenance of the equipment. One of the reasons why the use of solar panels hasn't taken off despite government advertisement and incentives in many parts of the world is the poor return of the latter.
We do not yet have a (truly) effective system in place to get the maximum out of an investment into such equipment. You need the start-up cash which tends to be substantial for most average middle class family. Then you need to maintain the whole damn thing which can be as equally expensive.
And at the end, you have the weather being a dick on some days. Cloudy weather? No wind? Well can't watch the tv, use the laptop today.
So it is essentially a long term investment into a resource whose availability remains erratic and the cost effectiveness is ambiguous for most.
Now to return to free energy as was described at the start of the whole discussion- it is very much of a science fiction proposition. And i remain utterly unconvinced that countries around the world have seemingly already developed the 'technology' to access such a resource. For one it essentially means there is an infinity of said resource and this would lead to repercussions in world economy/state that will hardly go unnoticed.
I am simply being sensible here.
Meh keep gettting that error 37. First time today I'm trying though, played BF3 before now!
So what you are saying is I came midstream into your conversation with someone else and talked out my ass.
Note to self, quit making assumptions and talking out my ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3tYyDS_Dv8
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
deleo
Also, fuck university and its assignments. I have a huge deadline in a few weeks and I'm already behind schedule. Stupid beta.
Now its at 12............
I was getting 300-400 before
The weekends going to be over before I can even download the playable portion