Why would you need porn when you are like between 12-35?
Most guys have enough libido and energy to masturbate several times a day easy during that time. If you need porn at that age, there is some serious problem somewhere.
Leave it to the old geezers who are in need of some inspiration folks.
And ya, I deeply dislike porn. It makes me think in shit ways unbefitting of my awesomeness.
Uh, I don't think anyone has fully explained to you how porn works, Nekro. People have fantasies, and they want to see them executed. On video. Not in their head. Video stimulation is stronger, way more efficient, and simply better than your imagination. Some people relax when they watch porn and masturbate. For some, it's not about wank wank cum in 5 minutes. They like to enjoy it, they take their time. There are so many complex things in play, you just don't get to simplify it to that extent.
Your awesomeness is average bro, take my word for it.
And guys who are hormonal want to see 2 girls go at it and go down on each other. I find it unnatural if you don't like porn as a man, because that either means that A) your hormones are not working correctly or your hormones are unstable and you need to go on some porn sites immediately. It is good for the brain of a man to have a source where he can take out his sexual fantasies, or guys in high school would be crawled up in a fetal position rocking in circles.
And yes, I know that porn did not exist, but you still had masturbation, prostitutes, and all that fancy stuff. Porn just makes it easier. Sex is good for the human mind, whether it be imaginary or the real thing.
I don't know about you, but 50 year old, and 20 year old and 80 year old and 15 year old males who have watched porn for a LONG time are perfectly normal. Please support your claims with some sort of solid proof, because I can't help but laugh at it. Sorry.
You are not normal.
Obviously our definitions differ...
Uh, I don't think anyone has fully explained to you how porn works, Nekro. People have fantasies, and they want to see them executed. On video. Not in their head. Video stimulation is stronger, way more efficient, and simply better than your imagination. Some people relax when they watch porn and masturbate. For some, it's not about wank wank cum in 5 minutes. They like to enjoy it, they take their time. There are so many complex things in play, you just don't get to simplify it to that extent.
Oohh...so that's what porn was for. And all this time I thought it was for mopping the floor. No doubt I never liked it.
But jokes aside, thanks for the complex details in what porn can do for a person.
Fascinating to what length people will go to justify their vices.
Your awesomeness is average bro, take my word for it.
I understand your feelings. It must suck when all you can say for watching porn is that it is....normal.
Masturbation is normal since it can effectively dissipate sexual tension but even that can lead to obsessive, compulsive behaviour. Now imagine adding porn to the equation.
It's really a sad world where people consider porn normal when it can't be further from the truth.
I don't know about you, but 50 year old, and 20 year old and 80 year old and 15 year old males who have watched porn for a LONG time are perfectly normal. Please support your claims with some sort of solid proof, because I can't help but laugh at it. Sorry.
You are not normal.
Obviously our definitions differ...
I'm not waiting on your psych evaluation of my normality, I'm waiting for you to give me any sort of proof to back up your nonsensical claims. That's all.
Uh, I don't think anyone has fully explained to you how porn works, Nekro. People have fantasies, and they want to see them executed. On video. Not in their head. Video stimulation is stronger, way more efficient, and simply better than your imagination. Some people relax when they watch porn and masturbate. For some, it's not about wank wank cum in 5 minutes. They like to enjoy it, they take their time. There are so many complex things in play, you just don't get to simplify it to that extent.
Oohh...so that's what porn was for. And all this time I thought it was for mopping the floor. No doubt I never liked it.
But jokes aside, thanks for the complex details in what porn can do for a person.
Fascinating to what length people will go to justify their vices.
Your awesomeness is average bro, take my word for it.
I understand your feelings. It must suck when all you can say for watching porn is that it is....normal.
Masturbation is normal since it can effectively dissipate sexual tension but even that can lead to obsessive, compulsive behaviour. Now imagine adding porn to the equation.
It's really a sad world where people consider porn normal when it can't be further from the truth.
What length? I'm explaining to you why people do it. It's completely logical. It's nothing intricate, I'm not going into real deep philosophical concepts. If me saying "video is better than imagination, and people want to enjoy that" means that I'm going to such lengths to explain my vices, that's a pretty unintelligent thing to say, really.
It has nothing to do with porn, you've just been trying too hard lately to fit into this persona that you know you aren't cut out for.
I watch porn. I know a LOT of people who watch porn. None have obsessive compulsive behavior. None have sociopathic, psychopathic, or self destructive tendencies. Where the fuck are you and Equinox getting this idea from? Do you have some sort of medical journal or study to support what you're saying? You're just making claims and not supporting them in ANY way. Show proof, or stop discussing this with me. I'm too smart for this anyway.
What length? I'm explaining to you why people do it. It's completely logical. It's nothing intricate, I'm not going into real deep philosophical concepts. If me saying "video is better than imagination, and people want to enjoy that" means that I'm going to such lengths to explain my vices, that's a pretty unintelligent thing to say, really.
It has nothing to do with porn, you've just been trying too hard lately to fit into this persona that you know you aren't cut out for.
I watch porn. I know a LOT of people who watch porn. None have obsessive compulsive behavior. None have sociopathic, psychopathic, or self destructive tendencies. Where the fuck are you and Equinox getting this idea from? Do you have some sort of medical journal or study to support what you're saying? You're just making claims and not supporting them in ANY way. Show proof, or stop discussing this with me. I'm too smart for this anyway.
I only came into this discussion when you and Irrational were going about how porn is so normal and even necessary.
I came to say it was not. You haven't given a crap of evidence to support your claims. It's all personal opinions here, so get over it.
And what was that about the persona? You are getting ridiculously desperate. Try to act more intelligent other than just saying you are because it's getting downright pathetic.
He's completely correct about the persona.
You've been trying to come off as some kind of badass lately, I don't even know what to peg it as, but it doesn't fit you at all.
Stop doing it, I used to really enjoy reading your posts, but they've become pretty lame lately.
BUT ANYHOW.
As for the whole porn thing (I love how far this thread has drifted, we should seriously just rename it to the generalized discussion thread, and see where things flow), I agree that there's really nothing wrong with it. As long as all parties are consenting and are paid for their work (if you can call it that), then fuck, let them videotape and sell it.
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No, it's not personal opinion. I'm presenting myself and pretty much everyone I know as evidence. Millions of teens who watch porn are completely normal. That's why I want you to show me proof of how porn can "infest the mind". Basically, I have the entire world as proof, when you don't have anything to show.
Desperate? Since when do you say "I'm too awesome" or whatever? You were a modest user. Now it's like..wow.
No, it's not personal opinion. I'm presenting myself and pretty much everyone I know as evidence. Millions of teens who watch porn are completely normal. That's why I want you to show me proof of how porn can "infest the mind". Basically, I have the entire world as proof, when you don't have anything to show.
Sorry that's not evidence. It is personal opinion.
Just like me saying millions of teenagers act like shit because they watch porn. It is just that- opinion. It was only an example to illustrate by the way.
Desperate? Since when do you say "I'm too awesome" or whatever? You were a modest user. Now it's like..wow.
Pretty much always done it and it is always done in jest. I think my friends on the site could tell you that.
Now stop acting like I'm stopping you and your millions of teenagers from watching porn. I simply disagree that it is normal or necessary and I think I am way better off without it.
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Almost as lame as my post lol.
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
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No, it's not personal opinion. I'm presenting myself and pretty much everyone I know as evidence. Millions of teens who watch porn are completely normal. That's why I want you to show me proof of how porn can "infest the mind". Basically, I have the entire world as proof, when you don't have anything to show.
I cannot change your view on normality. As I just said, I do not consider you normal. I cannot go beyond that word because it will break forum rules.
The millions of teens appear normal to you, and abberations to me. Actually that's a very soft word to use. Let's not go into what I really think they are.
This matter is opinion and opinion only, there are no facts, here, there is nothing to prove here, because the population being addressed IS the porn infested population that considers everything it does and believes normal. We will get into an argument of wrong and right and nothing more. It's a dead end battle.
I know it infests the mind when people cannot form lasting relationships, ever; and when they consider such shaky, false, fake, non-lasting relation as the NORM, I can't prove anything to them or to you, I just can't, it's like trying to prove to a person who thinks they're dead that they're alive.
Do people have problems with forming lasting relationships (I wouldn't say "cannot")? Yes.
Is it caused by porn? Doubtfully.
Changes in society, increased life expectancy, women having more say in things, all the "mr right" crap and so forth are much more to "blame". (EDIT: by "blame" I mean that it is the cause, I remain neutral to the reasons and I also consider the reasons good and inevitable.)
Yeah I think I'm going to stop here because this is going to go into a useless debate and I said all I had to say.
And oh yeah, humans aren't really fit for monogamy anyways.
Actually they are.
For better survival of their progeny, a strong relationship between two partners offers the optimal environment so that genes have a greater chance of success in being passed on to more than just the next immediate generation.
There has been quite a bit of debate on this issue but monogamy is much more than just a fancy moral ideal.
Porn completely disregards human dignity and it will probably affect relationships but so do many other things.
No, it's not personal opinion. I'm presenting myself and pretty much everyone I know as evidence. Millions of teens who watch porn are completely normal. That's why I want you to show me proof of how porn can "infest the mind". Basically, I have the entire world as proof, when you don't have anything to show.
I cannot change your view on normality. As I just said, I do not consider you normal. I cannot go beyond that word because it will break forum rules.
The millions of teens appear normal to you, and abberations to me. Actually that's a very soft word to use. Let's not go into what I really think they are.
This matter is opinion and opinion only, there are no facts, here, there is nothing to prove here, because the population being addressed IS the porn infested population that considers everything it does and believes normal. We will get into an argument of wrong and right and nothing more. It's a dead end battle.
I know it infests the mind when people cannot form lasting relationships, ever; and when they consider such shaky, false, fake, non-lasting relation as the NORM, I can't prove anything to them or to you, I just can't, it's like trying to prove to a person who thinks they're dead that they're alive.
Why are you being so anti-establishment and all that? Teens are fucked up, certainly. They're fucked up in the head. How did you deduce that porn caused that? That's what I don't get. It's like you saying that Gatorade is causing them to be so fucked up, because before Gatorade, life was normal and teens were all fine and dandy.
I like how you tried to insult me when you said I wasn't normal, and that you would leave it at that. I myself won't start going into saying how damaged you are, and I'll just leave it at that.
You aren't making any sense. You're just saying teens are fucked up (which I believe stems from your teenage angst directed towards the more popular clique in your school because no one would give you the time of day, and because you're just weird. No offense intended, but that's actually how I analyzed it.) yet you offer no proof as to WHY you think porn is behind them being fucked up.
Teens are fucked up, certainly. They're fucked up in the head. How did you deduce that porn caused that?
Because the manner in which they are fucked up does not have its roots in biology, that's why.
Donkey punches are not biological.
Nor is bukake.
Where did those things come from? Sure, some people are just fucked in the head to begin with but they're a minority. They transfer it to the population at large via hardcore porn. Eventually, these things get normalized. Guys are expected to like them. Girls are expected to accept them.
I do not really like the idea that ~70% of males in my class (made up statistic) think donkey punches are cool. And I really hope I don't also have to explain to you why I don't like that idea. o.O
Well, why are you still talking to me if I'm not making any sense? I'm not really going to waste too much of my time here trying to prove something to you that you don't care about anyway.
You still didn't answer my question. Some producer invented bukkake, what does that even have to with porn fucking up teen minds?
Clearly, if someone thinks his girlfriend should do a bukkake, then he's messed up in the head, and I doubt it has anything to do with hardcore porn, but rather with fucked up upbringing, and a disturbed emotional circuit.
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Why would you need porn when you are like between 12-35?
Most guys have enough libido and energy to masturbate several times a day easy during that time. If you need porn at that age, there is some serious problem somewhere.
Leave it to the old geezers who are in need of some inspiration folks.
And ya, I deeply dislike porn. It makes me think in shit ways unbefitting of my awesomeness.
Your awesomeness is average bro, take my word for it.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
And yes, I know that porn did not exist, but you still had masturbation, prostitutes, and all that fancy stuff. Porn just makes it easier. Sex is good for the human mind, whether it be imaginary or the real thing.
Obviously our definitions differ...
But jokes aside, thanks for the complex details in what porn can do for a person.
Fascinating to what length people will go to justify their vices.
I understand your feelings. It must suck when all you can say for watching porn is that it is....normal.
Masturbation is normal since it can effectively dissipate sexual tension but even that can lead to obsessive, compulsive behaviour. Now imagine adding porn to the equation.
It's really a sad world where people consider porn normal when it can't be further from the truth.
I'm not waiting on your psych evaluation of my normality, I'm waiting for you to give me any sort of proof to back up your nonsensical claims. That's all.
What length? I'm explaining to you why people do it. It's completely logical. It's nothing intricate, I'm not going into real deep philosophical concepts. If me saying "video is better than imagination, and people want to enjoy that" means that I'm going to such lengths to explain my vices, that's a pretty unintelligent thing to say, really.
It has nothing to do with porn, you've just been trying too hard lately to fit into this persona that you know you aren't cut out for.
I watch porn. I know a LOT of people who watch porn. None have obsessive compulsive behavior. None have sociopathic, psychopathic, or self destructive tendencies. Where the fuck are you and Equinox getting this idea from? Do you have some sort of medical journal or study to support what you're saying? You're just making claims and not supporting them in ANY way. Show proof, or stop discussing this with me. I'm too smart for this anyway.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
I only came into this discussion when you and Irrational were going about how porn is so normal and even necessary.
I came to say it was not. You haven't given a crap of evidence to support your claims. It's all personal opinions here, so get over it.
And what was that about the persona? You are getting ridiculously desperate. Try to act more intelligent other than just saying you are because it's getting downright pathetic.
You've been trying to come off as some kind of badass lately, I don't even know what to peg it as, but it doesn't fit you at all.
Stop doing it, I used to really enjoy reading your posts, but they've become pretty lame lately.
BUT ANYHOW.
As for the whole porn thing (I love how far this thread has drifted, we should seriously just rename it to the generalized discussion thread, and see where things flow), I agree that there's really nothing wrong with it. As long as all parties are consenting and are paid for their work (if you can call it that), then fuck, let them videotape and sell it.
Desperate? Since when do you say "I'm too awesome" or whatever? You were a modest user. Now it's like..wow.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
Just like me saying millions of teenagers act like shit because they watch porn. It is just that- opinion. It was only an example to illustrate by the way.
Pretty much always done it and it is always done in jest. I think my friends on the site could tell you that.
Now stop acting like I'm stopping you and your millions of teenagers from watching porn. I simply disagree that it is normal or necessary and I think I am way better off without it.
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-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Almost as lame as my post lol.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
The millions of teens appear normal to you, and abberations to me. Actually that's a very soft word to use. Let's not go into what I really think they are.
This matter is opinion and opinion only, there are no facts, here, there is nothing to prove here, because the population being addressed IS the porn infested population that considers everything it does and believes normal. We will get into an argument of wrong and right and nothing more. It's a dead end battle.
I know it infests the mind when people cannot form lasting relationships, ever; and when they consider such shaky, false, fake, non-lasting relation as the NORM, I can't prove anything to them or to you, I just can't, it's like trying to prove to a person who thinks they're dead that they're alive.
Actually they are.
For better survival of their progeny, a strong relationship between two partners offers the optimal environment so that genes have a greater chance of success in being passed on to more than just the next immediate generation.
There has been quite a bit of debate on this issue but monogamy is much more than just a fancy moral ideal.
Porn completely disregards human dignity and it will probably affect relationships but so do many other things.
Why are you being so anti-establishment and all that? Teens are fucked up, certainly. They're fucked up in the head. How did you deduce that porn caused that? That's what I don't get. It's like you saying that Gatorade is causing them to be so fucked up, because before Gatorade, life was normal and teens were all fine and dandy.
I like how you tried to insult me when you said I wasn't normal, and that you would leave it at that. I myself won't start going into saying how damaged you are, and I'll just leave it at that.
You aren't making any sense. You're just saying teens are fucked up (which I believe stems from your teenage angst directed towards the more popular clique in your school because no one would give you the time of day, and because you're just weird. No offense intended, but that's actually how I analyzed it.) yet you offer no proof as to WHY you think porn is behind them being fucked up.
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"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Donkey punches are not biological.
Nor is bukake.
Where did those things come from? Sure, some people are just fucked in the head to begin with but they're a minority. They transfer it to the population at large via hardcore porn. Eventually, these things get normalized. Guys are expected to like them. Girls are expected to accept them.
I do not really like the idea that ~70% of males in my class (made up statistic) think donkey punches are cool. And I really hope I don't also have to explain to you why I don't like that idea. o.O
Well, why are you still talking to me if I'm not making any sense? I'm not really going to waste too much of my time here trying to prove something to you that you don't care about anyway.
Clearly, if someone thinks his girlfriend should do a bukkake, then he's messed up in the head, and I doubt it has anything to do with hardcore porn, but rather with fucked up upbringing, and a disturbed emotional circuit.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions