whether or not you agree with the message in a song does not really matter when classifying whether or not something is actually music. to me, if it gets your toes tapping. its music hehe " width="425" height="350">
" height="344">
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I find your lack of faithdisturbing.
Anyway just because you don't like a genre doesn't make it not music.
Some people say Miley Cyrus isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say rap isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say Noise isn't music... maybe they're right.
Also lyrics mean nothing, it doesn't matter if they're really stupid or whether you agree or not the lyrics don't make the music, they just give the singer something to do.
95% of all lyrics are utter crap anyway and have no meaning at all.
To me the music is most important, if the lyrics are clever that's a bonus.
I need a good melody / beat / rhymes / voice / flow / sound if im going to like a song... If none of these elements are in a song / track, then it would probably suck...
whether or not you agree with the message in a song does not really matter when classifying whether or not something is actually music. to me, if it gets your toes tapping. its music hehe " width="425" height="350">
" height="344">
Music consists of composition, harmony, and arrangements. If those aren't found, it's not even a song. It's not about what you think, it's about solid facts. Pornogrind and such shit isn't music. Look at Anal Cunt, they have "songs" less than a second long. That shit isn't music. ANyone who thinks that's music should be shot dead.
Quote from "Devilter" »
I though this thread would be about the Noise genre actually.
The vid you posted is music clearly, but is Noise music?
Anyway just because you don't like a genre doesn't make it not music.
Some people say Miley Cyrus isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say rap isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say Noise isn't music... maybe they're right.
Also lyrics mean nothing, it doesn't matter if they're really stupid or whether you agree or not the lyrics don't make the music, they just give the singer something to do.
95% of all lyrics are utter crap anyway and have no meaning at all.
To me the music is most important, if the lyrics are clever that's a bonus.
Miley Cyrus and rap is music. Terrible music, but music nonetheless. Anyone who says they aren't doesn't know what he's talking about. Noise is..something else.
While I agree that lyrics aren't always important, the latter part of your statement (they give the singer something to do), is really condescending.
It's wrong, really.
95%? Are you serious? 95% of good Metal's lyrics are GREAT. Stop generalizing.
you do realise you sound like an old old man saying that?
and I don't think it's about solid facts. I mean they teach that in school and whatnot, but music is about feelings and emotions of the listener so you can't actually make the distinct line what is music and what isn't.
say what?
You realize that I feel that you're going to rape me because you're using the ":)" smiley?
Old man or baby, it's correct.
It's not about emotions, it's about definition. A "song" that's 1 second long, with "BAA" as lyrics and a strike of a chord as backing noise, isn't music. It isn't a song. I don't care if it makes your eyes tear. It's shit. Simple fact. It's not a matter of opinion.
95% is the number I used to convey a point. It isn't accurate. Don't patronize me. Instead of putting out nonsensical annoying smilies, actually back your argument with something concrete. Basically all Thrash Metal bands have great meaningful lyrics. All Heavy Metal bands have good lyrics. Several Black/Death Metal bands have poetic, good lyrics. Many Power/Progressive Metal bands have great lyrics in their own right.
as for your opinion that the music is a definition I still disagree. yes, 1 second songs are BS for most of us I guess, but what about listeners who like that? are you one of those people who hate people who listen to any other kind of music? you've got to be open to new ideas, we don't live in middle ages any more.
Well, difference here is that Mephisto argues that music is not dedenant on user opinion whether it is music or not, similar to how it doesn't matter if yuo think meatballs are made of meat or not; regardless of what you think, meatballs will always be made out of meat.
I'm inclined to agree with Mephisto to some extent here, as music is about composing different sounds into some form of harmonious beat, rhythm, flow or similar. Just because someone calls random noise music doesn't mean it necessarily is.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
Supporting big shoulderpads and flashy armor since 2004.
Music consists of composition, harmony, and arrangements. If those aren't found, it's not even a song. It's not about what you think, it's about solid facts. Pornogrind and such shit isn't music. Look at Anal Cunt, they have "songs" less than a second long. That shit isn't music. ANyone who thinks that's music should be shot dead.
Miley Cyrus and rap is music. Terrible music, but music nonetheless. Anyone who says they aren't doesn't know what he's talking about. Noise is..something else.
While I agree that lyrics aren't always important, the latter part of your statement (they give the singer something to do), is really condescending.
It's wrong, really.
95%? Are you serious? 95% of good Metal's lyrics are GREAT. Stop generalizing.
Let me rephrase, I meant that it doesn't really matter what the vocalist is singing most of the time, it's how he sings what he sings that makes it sound great, and I may have over exaggerated a bit with the 95% but I'd like to see some of these great metal lyrics, please.
Chances are you like them because of the way they sound, not because they are so clever or smart.
Sure some lyrics are great, I won't deny that, they are just very rare.
To me the vocalist of a band is like an instrument, which can sound great and appealing or lame and crappy, depending on the vocalist and your taste.
Anal Cunt is music btw, just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't say otherwise.
Oh wait, I deserve to be shot now...
As said before, music is art and it depends on the artist what he does when he makes music.
And it's up to the listener to like it or not, just like a painting.
Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't mean it's shit or not music.
Well Elyk I listen to torsofuck and i was shocked. FUCKING TERRIBAD!!!!!!!!!!
But seriously if a band is named torsofuck that should immediately send up a red flag.
relax dude, lol. my last sentence was referring to the error in your sentence. you said "95% of good Metal's lyrics are great". what are good Metal's lyrics? good lyrics from a metal band? if something is good why would you after a second say it's great? you understand?
I totally understand what I'm talking about. honestly, I don't like metal music that much. why? because all the lyrics I heard from metal can be summed up in "Life sucks, death is all around". I don't feel that way so I don't listen to it, I'm more for phylosophycal lyrics. and if you can tell me some metal bands with great phylosophycal lyrics, please do, I'd be more than thrilled to listen to those.
as for your opinion that the music is a definition I still disagree. yes, 1 second songs are BS for most of us I guess, but what about listeners who like that? are you one of those people who hate people who listen to any other kind of music? you've got to be open to new ideas, we don't live in middle ages any more.
You made a fuss out of an unintended mistake? Wow. Ok.
Metallica, Megadeth, Testament, Arcturus, Symphony X, tons of other bands..you're telling me they sing shit like "Life sucks" and whatever? I'm at loss for words here, because..it's like you're telling me 1+1=245. You want Philosophical? I don't know what you'd classify as philosophical. Many Death Metal bands like to act all philosophical. Black Metal bands as well. But I doubt you can handle those. Metallica and Megadeth have many great topics. Have you listened to Youtahnasia, Peace Sells....But Who's Buying?, Master of Puppets, ....And Justice For All, For Whom the Bell tolls, Use the Man..and such? No, you haven't. You haven't listened to any good Metal. You probably listened to some radio nonsense.
Dude, you're telling me that people would enjoy listening to one second long noises? Is that truly what you're telling me? I mean..WOW if that's what you're telling me. PhrozenDragon explained it, and I thank God if you actually understood what I'm talking about, because I'm one step away from hanging myself.
Quote from "Devilter" »
Let me rephrase, I meant that it doesn't really matter what the vocalist is singing most of the time, it's how he sings what he sings that makes it sound great, and I may have over exaggerated a bit with the 95% but I'd like to see some of these great metal lyrics, please.
Chances are you like them because of the way they sound, not because they are so clever or smart.
Sure some lyrics are great, I won't deny that, they are just very rare.
To me the vocalist of a band is like an instrument, which can sound great and appealing or lame and crappy, depending on the vocalist and your taste.
Anal Cunt is music btw, just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't say otherwise.
Oh wait, I deserve to be shot now...
As said before, music is art and it depends on the artist what he does when he makes music.
And it's up to the listener to like it or not, just like a painting.
Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't mean it's shit or not music.
You want great lyrics? Expand your music library..I'm not a fucking music doctor. You haven't listened to the Metal you should be listening to. You're probably listening to Bullet For My Valentine, Lamb of God, Atreyu, and Avenged Sevenfold..which isn't Metal in the first place. Go and search to educate yourself, even if it's in stuff you don't like. That's what I do on an everyday basis. No, I'm not lying. I even wiki and read everything on every single movie I watch.
Anal Cunt is music? They had an album comprised of 5600+songs..How long is it? 11 minutes. That's the length of one song played by Leviathan. They have also sent material to publications they actually KNEW would hate it, just to get bad reviews. What good musicianship. What good music. It's shit. Even they're telling you that.
Music is an art? Just like painting? Sure, I'll put up a blank piece of wood and hang it in the Louvre..after all, it's art, right? Your logic is about as straight as a semi circle.
I believe the "official" definition of music is melody, harmony and rhythm - and so it actually is true that rap isn't (always) music. Same goes for trance, free jazz and grindcore, to name a few.
Not to sound like a robot or one of those theory fags who read notation instead of listening to the song, "metal" that makes it mainstream isn't music. Nor trance/techno/electronic crap. I'd rather listen to the crappiest country singer in the world than the best trance artist ever. Also whimpering homos with autistic movements like 311, The White Stripes and every single singer-songwriter out there - EUCH, disgusting.
Today's vocalists turn almost any band completely intolerable, the standards really have gone down.
Oh yeah, and Anal Cunt definitely is music. So is Sadistik Exekution.
You want great lyrics? Expand your music library..I'm not a fucking music doctor. You haven't listened to the Metal you should be listening to. You're probably listening to Bullet For My Valentine, Lamb of God, Atreyu, and Avenged Sevenfold..which isn't Metal in the first place. Go and search to educate yourself, even if it's in stuff you don't like. That's what I do on an everyday basis. No, I'm not lying. I even wiki and read everything on every single movie I watch.
Anal Cunt is music? They had an album comprised of 5600+songs..How long is it? 11 minutes. That's the length of one song played by Leviathan. They have also sent material to publications they actually KNEW would hate it, just to get bad reviews. What good musicianship. What good music. It's shit. Even they're telling you that.
Music is an art? Just like painting? Sure, I'll put up a blank piece of wood and hang it in the Louvre..after all, it's art, right? Your logic is about as straight as a semi circle.
Haha, yeah you don't know what I listen to at all, I bet you don't even know 1/5 of the bands I listen to so please stop acting like you know me.
My music library is more varied than yours I'm sure.
Secondly, the fact that you said all rap was terrible music shows you are very close minded.
To me it seems you only like metal, because that's all you talk about.
And I didn't say I didn't know of any great lyrics, I wanted an example of these great metal lyrics of yours.
As for the Anal Cunt thing, I'm not fan but again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not music, seriously why does a song have to be at least 4 minutes? is there a standard length artists should stick to? that's ridiculous man.
Length has nothing to do with quality and using that as an argument to say something is shit is just wrong.
And sure if you think a blank piece of wood is art that's your right, it doesn't mean it will be displayed in the Louvre because it probably doesn't live up to their standards.
Haha, yeah you don't know what I listen to at all, I bet you don't even know 1/5 of the bands I listen to so please stop acting like you know me.
My music library is more varied than yours I'm sure.
Secondly, the fact that you said all rap was terrible music shows you are very close minded.
To me it seems you only like metal, because that's all you talk about.
And I didn't say I didn't know of any great lyrics, I wanted an example of these great metal lyrics of yours.
As for the Anal Cunt thing, I'm not fan but again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not music, seriously why does a song have to be at least 4 minutes? is there a standard length artists should stick to? that's ridiculous man.
Length has nothing to do with quality and using that as an argument to say something is shit is just wrong.
And sure if you think a blank piece of wood is art that's your right, it doesn't mean it will be displayed in the Louvre because it probably doesn't live up to their standards.
I know what you DON'T listen to, how about that?
I can say Rap is nonsensical because I've listened to it time nd time again, without finding anything good in it. I have tried, educated myself, and came up with squat with regard to the given genre. It's still however, an opinion.
You want an example? I gave milanv plenty of examples. Want more examples? Go for Opeth..I hardly find teir lyrics to be crappy.
So you're telling me a 1 second song is music? No, it's not. Whatever you say, whatever you think, it's wrong. It needs lyrics, composition, harmony, all the components that actual form a song. That's fact. That isn't opinion, stop saying it is.
Standards? Finally, I caught you contradicting yourself. Who is to say that a blank piece of wood isn't the best goddamn piece of art to millions of people? Who are they to judge "ART" as you so vigorously defend it? Some art is good, some art is shit..people decide that. 1 second long songs are shit. Get over it.
I can say Rap is nonsensical because I've listened to it time nd time again, without finding anything good in it. I have tried, educated myself, and came up with squat with regard to the given genre. It's still however, an opinion.
Listen to some good rap then, not the stuff you hear on the radio.
But sure fair enough I guess, you're free to not like it.
Quote from name="-Mephisto"s Lament-" »
So you're telling me a 1 second song is music? No, it's not. Whatever you say, whatever you think, it's wrong. It needs lyrics, composition, harmony, all the components that actual form a song. That's fact. That isn't opinion, stop saying it is.
Way to over exaggerate with a one second song.
So your saying instrumental music isn't music either? because it needs lyrics? that's not a fact, and it's wrong. Very wrong.
Quote from name="-Mephisto"s Lament-" »
Standards? Finally, I caught you contradicting yourself. Who is to say that a blank piece of wood isn't the best goddamn piece of art to millions of people? Who are they to judge "ART" as you so vigorously defend it? Some art is good, some art is shit..people decide that. 1 second long songs are shit. Get over it.
People have standards to what they consider art, I never said otherwise, I just said that different people have different standards as to what they consider art.
Like you said, some art is good, and some art is shit, people decide that, and therefore it's all a matter of opinion.
Now stop fucking attacking me like you know what you're talking about, because you can't give an unbiased and reasonable response.
How about looking at things with an objective view next time.
I'm done with you, don't expect another reply after this one, I'll be the better man and leave it at this.
- Extracting Dinner out of my Anus with a Spoon
- An Alien Anally Fucked me and I Liked it
And other SERIOUSLY hilarious names which have escaped my mind.
They're terrible.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
just because something doesn't fit your definition of music doesn't mean it is not
" height="344">
The vid you posted is music clearly, but is Noise music?
Noise:
[vid]
[vid]
Anyway just because you don't like a genre doesn't make it not music.
Some people say Miley Cyrus isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say rap isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say Noise isn't music... maybe they're right.
Also lyrics mean nothing, it doesn't matter if they're really stupid or whether you agree or not the lyrics don't make the music, they just give the singer something to do.
95% of all lyrics are utter crap anyway and have no meaning at all.
To me the music is most important, if the lyrics are clever that's a bonus.
Its more complicated than that, but yeah...
Music consists of composition, harmony, and arrangements. If those aren't found, it's not even a song. It's not about what you think, it's about solid facts. Pornogrind and such shit isn't music. Look at Anal Cunt, they have "songs" less than a second long. That shit isn't music. ANyone who thinks that's music should be shot dead.
Miley Cyrus and rap is music. Terrible music, but music nonetheless. Anyone who says they aren't doesn't know what he's talking about. Noise is..something else.
While I agree that lyrics aren't always important, the latter part of your statement (they give the singer something to do), is really condescending.
It's wrong, really.
95%? Are you serious? 95% of good Metal's lyrics are GREAT. Stop generalizing.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
You realize that I feel that you're going to rape me because you're using the ":)" smiley?
Old man or baby, it's correct.
It's not about emotions, it's about definition. A "song" that's 1 second long, with "BAA" as lyrics and a strike of a chord as backing noise, isn't music. It isn't a song. I don't care if it makes your eyes tear. It's shit. Simple fact. It's not a matter of opinion.
95% is the number I used to convey a point. It isn't accurate. Don't patronize me. Instead of putting out nonsensical annoying smilies, actually back your argument with something concrete. Basically all Thrash Metal bands have great meaningful lyrics. All Heavy Metal bands have good lyrics. Several Black/Death Metal bands have poetic, good lyrics. Many Power/Progressive Metal bands have great lyrics in their own right.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
I'm inclined to agree with Mephisto to some extent here, as music is about composing different sounds into some form of harmonious beat, rhythm, flow or similar. Just because someone calls random noise music doesn't mean it necessarily is.
Let me rephrase, I meant that it doesn't really matter what the vocalist is singing most of the time, it's how he sings what he sings that makes it sound great, and I may have over exaggerated a bit with the 95% but I'd like to see some of these great metal lyrics, please.
Chances are you like them because of the way they sound, not because they are so clever or smart.
Sure some lyrics are great, I won't deny that, they are just very rare.
To me the vocalist of a band is like an instrument, which can sound great and appealing or lame and crappy, depending on the vocalist and your taste.
Anal Cunt is music btw, just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't say otherwise.
Oh wait, I deserve to be shot now...
As said before, music is art and it depends on the artist what he does when he makes music.
And it's up to the listener to like it or not, just like a painting.
Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't mean it's shit or not music.
But seriously if a band is named torsofuck that should immediately send up a red flag.
You made a fuss out of an unintended mistake? Wow. Ok.
Metallica, Megadeth, Testament, Arcturus, Symphony X, tons of other bands..you're telling me they sing shit like "Life sucks" and whatever? I'm at loss for words here, because..it's like you're telling me 1+1=245. You want Philosophical? I don't know what you'd classify as philosophical. Many Death Metal bands like to act all philosophical. Black Metal bands as well. But I doubt you can handle those. Metallica and Megadeth have many great topics. Have you listened to Youtahnasia, Peace Sells....But Who's Buying?, Master of Puppets, ....And Justice For All, For Whom the Bell tolls, Use the Man..and such? No, you haven't. You haven't listened to any good Metal. You probably listened to some radio nonsense.
Dude, you're telling me that people would enjoy listening to one second long noises? Is that truly what you're telling me? I mean..WOW if that's what you're telling me. PhrozenDragon explained it, and I thank God if you actually understood what I'm talking about, because I'm one step away from hanging myself.
You want great lyrics? Expand your music library..I'm not a fucking music doctor. You haven't listened to the Metal you should be listening to. You're probably listening to Bullet For My Valentine, Lamb of God, Atreyu, and Avenged Sevenfold..which isn't Metal in the first place. Go and search to educate yourself, even if it's in stuff you don't like. That's what I do on an everyday basis. No, I'm not lying. I even wiki and read everything on every single movie I watch.
Anal Cunt is music? They had an album comprised of 5600+songs..How long is it? 11 minutes. That's the length of one song played by Leviathan. They have also sent material to publications they actually KNEW would hate it, just to get bad reviews. What good musicianship. What good music. It's shit. Even they're telling you that.
Music is an art? Just like painting? Sure, I'll put up a blank piece of wood and hang it in the Louvre..after all, it's art, right? Your logic is about as straight as a semi circle.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
You have some serious issues, dude. :confused:
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Stay awhile, and listen.
Haha, yeah you don't know what I listen to at all, I bet you don't even know 1/5 of the bands I listen to so please stop acting like you know me.
My music library is more varied than yours I'm sure.
Secondly, the fact that you said all rap was terrible music shows you are very close minded.
To me it seems you only like metal, because that's all you talk about.
And I didn't say I didn't know of any great lyrics, I wanted an example of these great metal lyrics of yours.
As for the Anal Cunt thing, I'm not fan but again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not music, seriously why does a song have to be at least 4 minutes? is there a standard length artists should stick to? that's ridiculous man.
Length has nothing to do with quality and using that as an argument to say something is shit is just wrong.
And sure if you think a blank piece of wood is art that's your right, it doesn't mean it will be displayed in the Louvre because it probably doesn't live up to their standards.
The most god-awful band in existence is BrokenCyde
Title hasn't changed yet btw.
Also, Green Day.
I know what you DON'T listen to, how about that?
I can say Rap is nonsensical because I've listened to it time nd time again, without finding anything good in it. I have tried, educated myself, and came up with squat with regard to the given genre. It's still however, an opinion.
You want an example? I gave milanv plenty of examples. Want more examples? Go for Opeth..I hardly find teir lyrics to be crappy.
So you're telling me a 1 second song is music? No, it's not. Whatever you say, whatever you think, it's wrong. It needs lyrics, composition, harmony, all the components that actual form a song. That's fact. That isn't opinion, stop saying it is.
Standards? Finally, I caught you contradicting yourself. Who is to say that a blank piece of wood isn't the best goddamn piece of art to millions of people? Who are they to judge "ART" as you so vigorously defend it? Some art is good, some art is shit..people decide that. 1 second long songs are shit. Get over it.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
No, I'm pretty certain you don't.
Listen to some good rap then, not the stuff you hear on the radio.
But sure fair enough I guess, you're free to not like it.
Way to over exaggerate with a one second song.
So your saying instrumental music isn't music either? because it needs lyrics? that's not a fact, and it's wrong. Very wrong.
People have standards to what they consider art, I never said otherwise, I just said that different people have different standards as to what they consider art.
Like you said, some art is good, and some art is shit, people decide that, and therefore it's all a matter of opinion.
Now stop fucking attacking me like you know what you're talking about, because you can't give an unbiased and reasonable response.
How about looking at things with an objective view next time.
I'm done with you, don't expect another reply after this one, I'll be the better man and leave it at this.