What do you think is the ultimate purpose of this new rhetoric the media are spewing out about Iran and those protests about alleged rigged elections? In my book, deliberate exaggeration = lying. Wasn't this the same rhetoric they were saying about Iraq and Iraqi's? That Iraqis acutally wanted a new leader and that they were sick of being oppressed
It just sounded familiar to me... You know, that whole "democracy isn't working in their country" thing
Looking at past examples, the next step is usually "Lets poke our noses in where they don't belong" right?
P.S - I might be wrong, I wasn't alive around the time of the Vietnam war. Isn't that the same type of rhetoric they used before that war? If I were to quote one of my favorite movies ever
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"We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out."
Basically the purpose of it is to gather support for pushing western beleifs into places where they don't belong.
I'm Canadian btw, do I didn't mean that to sound like I'm being all "WESTERN INFIDELS !!!"
Yep... then the next logical step once people are aware of a place where democracy isn't working, is to push your troops into said country, and force out people who don't support your beleifs.
Didn't mean this as flaming/trolling in any way just so you know, just realized how much potential it has :S. Just saying what I think the recent trend has been.
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Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (a.k.a. The Shah) came to power during WWII but he was largely seen as the US's puppet because we stuck our finger into screwing up their government 1953, for Israel of course. His popularity fell over the years for being a brutal dictator giving rise to anti-American sentiment. Our government always seems to find new ways for the world to not like us. Then in 1979 the Ayatollah Khomeini found new popularity during the 444 day hostage crisis which ultimately gave Jimmy Carter a bad image here as being a big weenie.
The US has long been in Iran's business, so anything that comes out in the news against current Iranian government will be seen as US backed. What is true is for the last decade Iranians have had a more pro-west movement internally. I say pro-west because much of the population want modernize and have new freedoms. When I lived in the SF bay area from 1986 to 1992 I had breakfast often at a little neighborhood restaurant that was run by man from Iran who I became friends with. Along with much sage wisdom I got from him, he would tell me of some of the pro-west changes within Iran. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the current Ayatollah's puppet was put in power to squish that movement but it would appear it hasn't worked out quite as well as they had hoped. Who knows where this will go now.
Those that were hostages in 1979 claim Ahmadinejad was a part of that, of course he denies, but the picture taken then they claim is him is pretty convincing, it looks like him to me.
How do I see it? I trust what I hear less and less these days from the news. When I was young I use to think the facts got reported. It was definitely more factual then without the jaded views thrown in, but anymore I need to see corroboration from international news before I start to believe hot topic stories. I think in this case Iran's current government is playing with fire trying to hold onto power eventually it will backfire on them without any meddling from the US. What is for certain, the US doesn't have the resources to go ground troop marching into any country right now, Bush made sure of that. If our government gets involved in another war it will be via big gun strikes and that's about it. I don't see Obama getting us into that kind of mess though unless we get hit first.
WOW, I got an email on this YouTube video by a Russian poster vorojtsov (name Serguei) explaining how to survive a severe economic crisis. He's a bit ruff to listen to and his presentation is not polished at all. I did watch it though simply because he had lived through the collapse of the USSR and the Ruble. He basically is telling viewers how he survived it himself 1991 to 1998, if we see anything like that here it is going to really, really suck.
Right you are, not much fiscal change we can believe in. Bush drove us to the edge and then Obama hit the gas saying hey if we just go fast enough we will punch through our troubles. We're in some serious juju now, it may take a couple years or more but they have fixed nothing.
Right you are, not much fiscal change we can believe in. Bush drove us to the edge and then Obama hit the gas saying hey if we just go fast enough we will punch through our troubles. We're in some serious juju now, it may take a couple years or more but they have fixed nothing.
I study economics and downturns are completely normal and should not be mitigated by spending. The best way to minimize harm during downtimes is to allow maximal freedom of how people spend their money, not take on useless debt.
I don't mind governments spending money on capital projects, but only states should do capital projects, not the feds. The feds should be limited to national objectives, not intrusion on state responsibilities.
I study economics and downturns are completely normal and should not be mitigated by spending. The best way to minimize harm during downtimes is to allow maximal freedom of how people spend their money, not take on useless debt.
I don't mind governments spending money on capital projects, but only states should do capital projects, not the feds. The feds should be limited to national objectives, not intrusion on state responsibilities.
We shouldn't even have the fed creating artificial interest rates it makes things impracticle, it's probably their fault we're in this cluster fuck in the first place. Long before the fed came along the free market never had problems like they do now. The downturns of the last 100-sum years have been largely artificial in nature. Why do we even worry about this stuff? We don't even need this kind of bullshit going on anymore anyway, we have the technology to do away with money.
The best way to minimize harm during downtimes is to allow maximal freedom of how people spend their money, not take on useless debt.
I don't mind governments spending money on capital projects, but only states should do capital projects, not the feds. The feds should be limited to national objectives, not intrusion on state responsibilities.
I agree with that. I think though it's more complex now. I also think the Keynesian's are in for a rude awakening of gold being a barbarous relic of the past, odd since Keynes was smart enough to know debasing the currency was an insidious way of confiscating the wealth of the people, precisely what they are doing now.
This crash is the result of repealing market safeguards which should never have been removed and watch dogs turning a blind eye. Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty as sin. Bush 41 defended these slobs in the Gulf war, under Clinton's Rubin, Summers, and Geithner helped form Citigroup by pushing for repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. Bush 43 gave us the Iraq war to defend them too, remember Bush's pro-war speech about "to preserve our way of life", who's life, those he called his base and we call the elite during the elections? Both parties ushered in deregulation with the "The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000" passing it with a near-unanimous House asleep at the wheel vote (377 to 4).
Obama has again tapped Rubin, Summers, and Geithner, the ones who helped cause the collapse now as the cure!? Wow what a co-inky-dink! All that has been done so far is to make sure you and I don't feel the pain in the price of goods, that the status quo is kept. Of course those who have lost their jobs and homes, well this is a downturn and that is unfortunate but things will get better right? So they say.
Truth is we have not paid the piper yet, if you look at what the FED has done to make sure the prices stay the same you can easily see the largest bubble in history is already their and at some point it's going to reverse course. From my past post, look at the FED's own charts. http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=428610&postcount=392
Here two of my favorite detailed in depth reports so far
Bill Moyer's interviews William K. Black (former investigator of the S&L scandal on current crisis.
The financial industry brought the economy to its knees, but how did they get away with it? With the nation wondering how to hold the bankers accountable, Bill Moyers sits down with William K. Black, the former senior regulator who cracked down on banks during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s. Black offers his analysis of what went wrong and his critique of the bailout http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
One of the reasons I like Robert Kiyosaki and Michael Maloney is they just lay down the info hammer and this is one of the better videos (11:45 min) I have seen regarding what is happening with today's economy. In this they discuss all the dollars printed so far and give you a historical perspective dating back to 1918 and how gold and silver reacted. This game has actually played out over 3000 times throughout history dating back to 640 BC in Athens Greece which Michael mentions, the outcome has always been the same. Really worth the 12 minutes to watch, after words ask yourself are we in for a recovery or are we in for more trouble? http://vimeo.com/5420406
For the FED chart they are talking about here you can find that here.
The size of this thread is an excellent explanation of why people don't vote anymore. There's just too much stuff to keep track of for anyone who has other stuff to do, and too much babble. The real people are being ditched by everyone in sight, including ourselves. Hence we're now Generation Screwed. Welcome to Gilded Age #2, aka hyper rational capitalism. That's what you republicans wanted, right? Free market? No government involvement? Government is bad? You got it.
The third Hitler or second Lenin is way overdue in The "United" States of America.
For any who think the economy is going to get better next year, take a long look at the Option-ARM (commercial real estate) mortgage recast rates. They don't peak out until the end of 2011. BTW The word mortgage comes from the French word "mortier" meaning "until death". Of course all good medieval times fantasy based game lovers are familiar with mortier and mortum type spells, just don't use them on yourself.
Because there was furious growth at the times when loans were made, business was booming, lot's of people started investing in commercial real estate. For whatever reason though these people either didn't read the fine print on their mortgages, or thought they could flip them. Typically commercial real estate are cash flow properties.
Get ready for September or October we may well see another shoe drop again this year as a result, Congress knows it too but no one took steps to deal with it up front.
What do you think is the ultimate purpose of this new rhetoric the media are spewing out about Iran and those protests about alleged rigged elections? In my book, deliberate exaggeration = lying. Wasn't this the same rhetoric they were saying about Iraq and Iraqi's? That Iraqis acutally wanted a new leader and that they were sick of being oppressed
It just sounded familiar to me... You know, that whole "democracy isn't working in their country" thing
Looking at past examples, the next step is usually "Lets poke our noses in where they don't belong" right?
P.S - I might be wrong, I wasn't alive around the time of the Vietnam war. Isn't that the same type of rhetoric they used before that war? If I were to quote one of my favorite movies ever
I'm Canadian btw, do I didn't mean that to sound like I'm being all "WESTERN INFIDELS !!!"
Yep... then the next logical step once people are aware of a place where democracy isn't working, is to push your troops into said country, and force out people who don't support your beleifs.
Didn't mean this as flaming/trolling in any way just so you know, just realized how much potential it has :S. Just saying what I think the recent trend has been.
The US has long been in Iran's business, so anything that comes out in the news against current Iranian government will be seen as US backed. What is true is for the last decade Iranians have had a more pro-west movement internally. I say pro-west because much of the population want modernize and have new freedoms. When I lived in the SF bay area from 1986 to 1992 I had breakfast often at a little neighborhood restaurant that was run by man from Iran who I became friends with. Along with much sage wisdom I got from him, he would tell me of some of the pro-west changes within Iran. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the current Ayatollah's puppet was put in power to squish that movement but it would appear it hasn't worked out quite as well as they had hoped. Who knows where this will go now.
Those that were hostages in 1979 claim Ahmadinejad was a part of that, of course he denies, but the picture taken then they claim is him is pretty convincing, it looks like him to me.
How do I see it? I trust what I hear less and less these days from the news. When I was young I use to think the facts got reported. It was definitely more factual then without the jaded views thrown in, but anymore I need to see corroboration from international news before I start to believe hot topic stories. I think in this case Iran's current government is playing with fire trying to hold onto power eventually it will backfire on them without any meddling from the US. What is for certain, the US doesn't have the resources to go ground troop marching into any country right now, Bush made sure of that. If our government gets involved in another war it will be via big gun strikes and that's about it. I don't see Obama getting us into that kind of mess though unless we get hit first.
'We're in the Middle of a Crash': Black Swan
Video almost half way down
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31706523
Since it was Obama that doubled the debt, I vote letting him and his supporters assume the debt.
I study economics and downturns are completely normal and should not be mitigated by spending. The best way to minimize harm during downtimes is to allow maximal freedom of how people spend their money, not take on useless debt.
I don't mind governments spending money on capital projects, but only states should do capital projects, not the feds. The feds should be limited to national objectives, not intrusion on state responsibilities.
I agree with that. I think though it's more complex now. I also think the Keynesian's are in for a rude awakening of gold being a barbarous relic of the past, odd since Keynes was smart enough to know debasing the currency was an insidious way of confiscating the wealth of the people, precisely what they are doing now.
This crash is the result of repealing market safeguards which should never have been removed and watch dogs turning a blind eye. Both Republicans and Democrats are guilty as sin. Bush 41 defended these slobs in the Gulf war, under Clinton's Rubin, Summers, and Geithner helped form Citigroup by pushing for repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. Bush 43 gave us the Iraq war to defend them too, remember Bush's pro-war speech about "to preserve our way of life", who's life, those he called his base and we call the elite during the elections? Both parties ushered in deregulation with the "The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000" passing it with a near-unanimous House asleep at the wheel vote (377 to 4).
Obama has again tapped Rubin, Summers, and Geithner, the ones who helped cause the collapse now as the cure!? Wow what a co-inky-dink! All that has been done so far is to make sure you and I don't feel the pain in the price of goods, that the status quo is kept. Of course those who have lost their jobs and homes, well this is a downturn and that is unfortunate but things will get better right? So they say.
Truth is we have not paid the piper yet, if you look at what the FED has done to make sure the prices stay the same you can easily see the largest bubble in history is already their and at some point it's going to reverse course. From my past post, look at the FED's own charts.
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=428610&postcount=392
http://vimeo.com/5420406
For the FED chart they are talking about here you can find that here.
US Monetary Base Chart
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/fredgraph?s[1][id]=AMBNS
The third Hitler or second Lenin is way overdue in The "United" States of America.
Get ready for September or October we may well see another shoe drop again this year as a result, Congress knows it too but no one took steps to deal with it up front.
Another write up on it just today.
http://www.businessinsider.com/commercial-real-estate-a-ticking-time-bomb-2009-7
What about asia while we're at it, is china anywhere near dumping their investments in us?