So I'm doing a project on modern mythology. The Terminator (Yes the movies).
I need some help on identifying the mythology behind it.
I think it's the man vs machine idea, through technological evolution. The ones you always see in movies, man makes a robot, the robot eventually takes over, starts a war. Where did this idea first come from? The idea of robots has been along for ages.
Another is the time travel. One can travel back in time and change the past, and even a small detail can change it greatly.
Bravery and courage is also brought out, it's linked to past mythologies such as Greek or Roman. A brave hero is always admired and saves the place etc.
How does this mythology transmit culture? what's its place within our modern day culture, society.
Much help is appreciated. A discussion would be nice.
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I think it's the man vs machine idea, through technological evolution. The ones you always see in movies, man makes a robot, the robot eventually takes over, starts a war. Where did this idea first come from? The idea of robots has been along for ages.
I suppose all forms have technology has been treated with suspicion and distrust. Even writing was once considered by many to be a form of technology that take the confrontation out of life and turn people into cowards.
In regards to intelligent machines making war with their creators, I'm willing to bet there were many obscure authors who were musing over this idea for a story but were never seriously published. It could be hard to really pinpoint where it all began in modern literature. I'm sure you can safely go as far back as Asimov though.
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Another is the time travel. One can travel back in time and change the past, and even a small detail can change it greatly.
Stupid mosquito. You go squish now! I suck at discussing the paradox of time travel.
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Bravery and courage is also brought out, it's linked to past mythologies such as Greek or Roman. A brave hero is always admired and saves the place etc.
How does this mythology transmit culture? what's its place within our modern day culture, society.
I guess what's neat about Terminator is how John Connor is always discussed as if he was someone who once existed as a leader, not so much about how he will exist. You might be able to imagine that he was never as great a leader as many made him out to be. But it was his value as a myth or legend that made people fight so courageously against the machines, eventually turning the tide in the war. But no matter how great he was, the power of myth would only make him greater. Such as what happens around men like Churchill, Patton, and Kennedy.
I suppose all forms have technology has been treated with suspicion and distrust. Even writing was once considered by many to be a form of technology that take the confrontation out of life and turn people into cowards.
In regards to intelligent machines making war with their creators, I'm willing to bet there were many obscure authors who were musing over this idea for a story but were never seriously published. It could be hard to really pinpoint where it all began in modern literature. I'm sure you can safely go as far back as Asimov though.
Stupid mosquito. You go squish now! I suck at discussing the paradox of time travel.
I guess what's neat about Terminator is how John Connor is always discussed as if he was someone who once existed as a leader, not so much about how he will exist. You might be able to imagine that he was never as great a leader as many made him out to be. But it was his value as a myth or legend that made people fight so courageously against the machines, eventually turning the tide in the war. But no matter how great he was, the power of myth would only make him greater. Such as what happens around men like Churchill, Patton, and Kennedy.
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Also, I'm looking for the origins of the Terminator. Who did it start? Who created it.
The origins of the Terminator was Skynet... Skynet was a defense system and it got smart and self aware like almost right away then it blew up the world basically with nukes.
it later was able to get factories going and build machines which were able to seek and destroy what was left of the humans. It wasnt going fast enough so it sent one back in time. The humans then sent a man back and stopped it. then everyone hsould know the plot line for t2.
i would say that yes it was man vs machine, but it is also man vs man, and man vs himself. like in terminator 1 the arm was found and then they used it. in t2 Sarah Connor went to kill that guy..
The origins of the Terminator was Skynet... Skynet was a defense system and it got smart and self aware like almost right away then it blew up the world basically with nukes.
it later was able to get factories going and build machines which were able to seek and destroy what was left of the humans. It wasnt going fast enough so it sent one back in time. The humans then sent a man back and stopped it. then everyone hsould know the plot line for t2.
i would say that yes it was man vs machine, but it is also man vs man, and man vs himself. like in terminator 1 the arm was found and then they used it. in t2 Sarah Connor went to kill that guy..
No no origins as in was it first written as a book? no.
how did the idea of the plot come out
Well, the idea of intelligent machines taking over humanity has existed for a long time, and I think it's part of several reasons.
One is that we link them to us. Man is the smartest animal on the planet, and we kill and burn all we want just because we view ourselves as supreme. I think a lot of people draw that same paralell to robots who wiould eventually outsmart us.
The second is a fear of the unknown. We don't know how robots think, we don't know how they react, how they can be programmed., what boundaries they are kept within.
Third, it's also they idea of playing God and/or messing with careful evolution that has progressed for millions of years. In either case, we are probably grasping for too much.
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I think it's the man vs machine idea, through technological evolution. The ones you always see in movies, man makes a robot, the robot eventually takes over, starts a war. Where did this idea first come from? The idea of robots has been along for ages.
Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus
Prometheus' relation to the novel can be interpreted in a number of ways. The Titan in the Greek mythology of Prometheus parallels Victor Frankenstein. Victor's work by creating man by new means reflects the same innovative work of the Titan in creating humans. Victor, in a way, stole the secret of creation from God just as the Titan stole fire from heaven to give to man. Both the Titan and Victor get punished for their actions. Victor is reprimanded by suffering the loss of those close to him and having the dread of himself getting killed by his creation.
No no origins as in was it first written as a book? no.
how did the idea of the plot come out
James Cameron, had a dream that a robotic man was trying to kill him. And he thought that was an awesome idea for a movie so he penned down a draft for The Terminator, but no studio wanted to touch it, until he got his friend Lance Hendrickson to dress up as the terminator (minus the guns) and kicked the door in of whatever studio eventually picked it up.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
James Cameron, had a dream that a robotic man was trying to kill him. And he thought that was an awesome idea for a movie so he penned down a draft for The Terminator, but no studio wanted to touch it, until he got his friend Lance Hendrickson to dress up as the terminator (minus the guns) and kicked the door in of whatever studio eventually picked it up.
Haha! Is that actually true?
I know Schwarzenegger was not really intended to play the Terminator in the first movie, he was there for a minor role. But when he walked in th director just says "He's the terminator."
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Arnold originally auditioned for the part of Reese, but James Cameron said, hey man that part has a lot of Dialog, and JC had only seen him in the Conan movies, so he suggested he audition for the part of the Terminator.
Doesn't anyone here watch the E! channel? Hello, E! True Hollywood Story: The Terminator.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
James Cameron, had a dream that a robotic man was trying to kill him. And he thought that was an awesome idea for a movie so he penned down a draft for The Terminator, but no studio wanted to touch it, until he got his friend Lance Hendrickson to dress up as the terminator (minus the guns) and kicked the door in of whatever studio eventually picked it up.
I watched those movies so many time, I can pretty much know all the duologue like the back of my hand. This movie portraits that machines can learn the values of human, therefore maybe we can too.
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Well I suppose you can relate it to the Matrix. Trying to find the ancient origins of the Man vs Machine archetype is difficult considering its a modern idea. In many ways technology both freed and enslaved humanity. I think for the better ultimately. Look at the printing press - before Gutenberg invented it, nobody could read the bible, thus all Catholics had to have priests read and interpret the Bible FOR them, in which case they would often lie and create deceptive and untrue ideas of the Bible which would usually end up creating profit for the Church and its priests.
The reason most people couldn't interpret the Bible is because it was expensive to buy books. They were hand copied by monks and thus only the nobility could afford them. The printing press made books cheap, and when Luther adapted the Bible to the native tongue so that all could read it in plain German (and not latin), people found out what a sham some of the clergy had been running, which helped form the Protestant Reformation.
You asked how a small change in the past can affect the future. Time travel to the past is impossible. Simply put, with our now greater understanding of the universe, it will never be possible, not even in theory. Time travel to the FUTURE, in THEORY, is possible. We simply lack the technology to accelerate ourselves to speeds nearing that of light. To travel to the past is impossible and wiill always be impossible thus many of the paradoxes you encounter in discussing travelling to the past are indicators that it simply will never, EVER be possible. If you care for an explanation, read the next paragraph.
Basically, Einstein wanted to find out why we are able to feel acceleration and not feel constant velocity. Travelling in a car at a steady 50 km/h you won't feel like you're moving if you close your eyes. However, put the foot down on the pedal and you'll feel G-Forces through your body. Taking a tight curve at high speeds, you'll also feel extra G-Forces on yourself. Why? What was it about acceleration that seperated it from constant speed? Einstein figured out acceleration and all speed were based on a comparison of the object and its motion relative to something he called ABSOLUTE SPACETIME. This was the idea that space and time formed a spacetime continuum that contains all events that have ever happened/will ever happen at any interval of time. Thus once an event has been defined (it has passed into existence), it becomes a part of the spacetime continuum and can never be changed.
It's difficult to discuss the butterfly effect of changing something in the past and then going back to the future/present to see the effect of that change simply because you cannot make that initial change.
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I need some help on identifying the mythology behind it.
I think it's the man vs machine idea, through technological evolution. The ones you always see in movies, man makes a robot, the robot eventually takes over, starts a war. Where did this idea first come from? The idea of robots has been along for ages.
Another is the time travel. One can travel back in time and change the past, and even a small detail can change it greatly.
Bravery and courage is also brought out, it's linked to past mythologies such as Greek or Roman. A brave hero is always admired and saves the place etc.
How does this mythology transmit culture? what's its place within our modern day culture, society.
Much help is appreciated. A discussion would be nice.
Maybe Diablo people are into sci-fi? lol.
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In regards to intelligent machines making war with their creators, I'm willing to bet there were many obscure authors who were musing over this idea for a story but were never seriously published. It could be hard to really pinpoint where it all began in modern literature. I'm sure you can safely go as far back as Asimov though.
Stupid mosquito. You go squish now! I suck at discussing the paradox of time travel.
I guess what's neat about Terminator is how John Connor is always discussed as if he was someone who once existed as a leader, not so much about how he will exist. You might be able to imagine that he was never as great a leader as many made him out to be. But it was his value as a myth or legend that made people fight so courageously against the machines, eventually turning the tide in the war. But no matter how great he was, the power of myth would only make him greater. Such as what happens around men like Churchill, Patton, and Kennedy.
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Also, I'm looking for the origins of the Terminator. Who did it start? Who created it.
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it later was able to get factories going and build machines which were able to seek and destroy what was left of the humans. It wasnt going fast enough so it sent one back in time. The humans then sent a man back and stopped it. then everyone hsould know the plot line for t2.
i would say that yes it was man vs machine, but it is also man vs man, and man vs himself. like in terminator 1 the arm was found and then they used it. in t2 Sarah Connor went to kill that guy..
No no origins as in was it first written as a book? no.
how did the idea of the plot come out
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One is that we link them to us. Man is the smartest animal on the planet, and we kill and burn all we want just because we view ourselves as supreme. I think a lot of people draw that same paralell to robots who wiould eventually outsmart us.
The second is a fear of the unknown. We don't know how robots think, we don't know how they react, how they can be programmed., what boundaries they are kept within.
Third, it's also they idea of playing God and/or messing with careful evolution that has progressed for millions of years. In either case, we are probably grasping for too much.
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Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus
Prometheus' relation to the novel can be interpreted in a number of ways. The Titan in the Greek mythology of Prometheus parallels Victor Frankenstein. Victor's work by creating man by new means reflects the same innovative work of the Titan in creating humans. Victor, in a way, stole the secret of creation from God just as the Titan stole fire from heaven to give to man. Both the Titan and Victor get punished for their actions. Victor is reprimanded by suffering the loss of those close to him and having the dread of himself getting killed by his creation.
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James Cameron, had a dream that a robotic man was trying to kill him. And he thought that was an awesome idea for a movie so he penned down a draft for The Terminator, but no studio wanted to touch it, until he got his friend Lance Hendrickson to dress up as the terminator (minus the guns) and kicked the door in of whatever studio eventually picked it up.
I know Schwarzenegger was not really intended to play the Terminator in the first movie, he was there for a minor role. But when he walked in th director just says "He's the terminator."
Doesn't anyone here watch the E! channel? Hello, E! True Hollywood Story: The Terminator.
Wow thanks a lot everyone!
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The reason most people couldn't interpret the Bible is because it was expensive to buy books. They were hand copied by monks and thus only the nobility could afford them. The printing press made books cheap, and when Luther adapted the Bible to the native tongue so that all could read it in plain German (and not latin), people found out what a sham some of the clergy had been running, which helped form the Protestant Reformation.
You asked how a small change in the past can affect the future. Time travel to the past is impossible. Simply put, with our now greater understanding of the universe, it will never be possible, not even in theory. Time travel to the FUTURE, in THEORY, is possible. We simply lack the technology to accelerate ourselves to speeds nearing that of light. To travel to the past is impossible and wiill always be impossible thus many of the paradoxes you encounter in discussing travelling to the past are indicators that it simply will never, EVER be possible. If you care for an explanation, read the next paragraph.
Basically, Einstein wanted to find out why we are able to feel acceleration and not feel constant velocity. Travelling in a car at a steady 50 km/h you won't feel like you're moving if you close your eyes. However, put the foot down on the pedal and you'll feel G-Forces through your body. Taking a tight curve at high speeds, you'll also feel extra G-Forces on yourself. Why? What was it about acceleration that seperated it from constant speed? Einstein figured out acceleration and all speed were based on a comparison of the object and its motion relative to something he called ABSOLUTE SPACETIME. This was the idea that space and time formed a spacetime continuum that contains all events that have ever happened/will ever happen at any interval of time. Thus once an event has been defined (it has passed into existence), it becomes a part of the spacetime continuum and can never be changed.
It's difficult to discuss the butterfly effect of changing something in the past and then going back to the future/present to see the effect of that change simply because you cannot make that initial change.