I wouldn't mind vanity items only. But a Blizzard hosted store selling actual items to improve game play would be horrible. It would flood the market with items making trading incredibly harder to do I would think.
I have faith in Blizzard and D3, and doubt they will do anything to mess it up. Like add any sort of store that will actually change any in-game economy or disadvantage stat wise. And i'm sure we have nothing to worry about with the new battle.net being used and we're not talking about a 10 year old game anymore. But this topic is opinion and i wouldn't like to see any out of the ordinary stores to be put up anywhere in any way shape or form. If anything at most probably in the future some sort of vanity store nothing too big but like everyone said maybe dyes or some new feature that isn't yet released to us like some cool pet that fallows you around but we'll just have to see.
A couple things to think about. One focus on no bots, no bots equals less quantity of items to purchase. Two if you eliminate the ability to mass rush characters through the game to high levels you A.) take away a huge amount of people who can use/ buy high valued items, and B.) you limit the number of high level characters to farm for high valued item to sell. I would think the second option would work best considering you could have the true gamer who likes to play the game the "true" way and not be tempted to purchase items for cash, and cut out those who just play for the quick fame and glory.
I think vanity items only would be a good way to perpetuate this game's potential. Most of what is going into this game is coming from the house that WoW built. Lots of F2P games focus on things like that. We shouldn't be able to buy the best gear to boost stats, because it would flood the game with top-notch items, and we would be doing the SOJ dance again! Vanity is a good way to go so players will have more diverse appearances. Yes it's a step up from D2 in terms of char appearances, but it would be a good way to lure in more D3 fans that weren't hardcore to begin with. In turn Blizz will put more attention into this game if there is some kind of revenue stream, and we will possibly see the extended content much sooner then planned, and other benefits might follow.
Hah, problem not solved. Person X just bought the $5 dye from the Blizzard store. But person X was the person who was going to buy some other dye from me for in-game gold.
And what makes you think that people would sooner use RL money over in game gold? Not to mention that a rare in-game drop would generally give you more status than something you didn't put any effort into.
This is all assuming that store items only exist in the store, and in game items only exist in game. Along the lines of the purchasable mounts in WoW. Again, I don't see how so many people are so strongly against the ability to buy items that have absolutely no effect on gameplay. Let some suckers buy them, and that will mean D3 is more of a success for Blizzard, which means we'll probably get more frequent/better content. I'm not saying that buying some vanity item from the store would be a good decision, obviously it would be a waste, but who cares if Blizzard gives some people the ability to spend more money on the game? Especially considering everyone will know that the person spent money on it, so it will just make them look dumb.
1. They already have plenty of money to develop new content, stop hiding behind this excuse to justify item stores. Oh wait, maybe they could use that money to develop console versions for the game too, you would like that wouldn't you ?! ...
Well I would like to think that too but the delays on SC2 and D3 were/are probably thanks to WoW. The each have their own dedicated teams true but it is obvious where priorities lie. So while they have resources, these resources are far from unlimited. They make games yes but they do so to get money. Having the biggest margin of profits will dictate how much they are willing to spend in manpower and which project should get the nod.
The lateness of the latest patch for D2 was entirely due to WoW and we can anticipate similar events for D3.
All of that to say that stores as some means of 'constant' revenue for blizzard might ensure more content and on a more regular basis for D3.
Of course, the other side of the coin might be that the stores don't generate enough and what goes in there is basically insufficient to warrant the advantage mentioned above.
So ya, instead of whining because you won't get to wear the magical penis of doom that some other ass bought from a store, you should contemplate the resulting possibility of getting more frequent updates for D3 to enjoy yourself with.
Also, stop menstruating all over the place. You are making a mess. We get it- you are against stores.
With all that said, I am still against stores but even the implementation of the latter won't stop me from enjoying D3.
Ophion, you messed up my post! No worries, it's not a big deal.
All I'm saying is, I believe being able to purchase items from an official store does the following:
1. Has an impact on the economy in some way.
2. Makes players look cool because they bought some item from the Blizzard store (when that item could have been an in-game-only item where that person would have to earn that prize).
3. Make Blizzard look like a buncha sleezy basterds.
Personally, I think the only people bitching about vanity stores are the ones that game too much to actually work and earn money.
There is absolutely NO reason to prevent vanity items from being sold by blizzard. None. Whatsothefuckever.
Vanity Items (for non english speakers) is being defined as different clothes, some pet that cannot do anything but follow you, some set of wings, or a lame looking guitar skin to disguise your weapon.
Purchasing said items have absolutely no effect on gameplay other than allowing customization... the same customization most diablofans scream as necessary.
So freaking what if your broke-ass cannot afford it. So what if you cannot give your female barbarian angel wings. Who cares... you get the benefit off some nerdy girl who decided to actually purchase it, and therefore prolong the life of Diablo 3.
As for other items sold in game store, I still see no problem with it. As long as you do not have to pay for actual patches or content. Dungeons and Dragons Online does a decent F2P system other than expecting you to pay for new zones, classes, races, etc (i'd rather this be in expansions than new content that has to be purchased every 3 months).
Personally, I think the only people bitching about vanity stores are the ones that game too much to actually work and earn money.
There is absolutely NO reason to prevent vanity items from being sold by blizzard. None. Whatsothefuckever.
Vanity Items (for non english speakers) is being defined as different clothes, some pet that cannot do anything but follow you, some set of wings, or a lame looking guitar skin to disguise your weapon.
Purchasing said items have absolutely no effect on gameplay other than allowing customization... the same customization most diablofans scream as necessary.
So freaking what if your broke-ass cannot afford it. So what if you cannot give your female barbarian angel wings. Who cares... you get the benefit off some nerdy girl who decided to actually purchase it, and therefore prolong the life of Diablo 3.
As for other items sold in game store, I still see no problem with it. As long as you do not have to pay for actual patches or content. Dungeons and Dragons Online does a decent F2P system other than expecting you to pay for new zones, classes, races, etc (i'd rather this be in expansions than new content that has to be purchased every 3 months).
Way to flaunt your immaturity and ignorance of the issue at hand. This has nothing to do with people being poor or not. If Blizzard implements a store, then future Blizzard installments will follow the same route, and perhaps be completely pay2play. Once Blizzard dips its hands into greed, there's no turning back. That's fine if you have a deep craving to get milked by Blizzard; there's WoW for a reason. The rest of us want to keep the Diablo series as money-free as possible.
Also, there's no need to impose yourself on others. We all know that people who act big online and insult others are miserable themselves in real life. In fact, I bet that the majority of people on this forum who don't support stores are wealthier than you. So please stop generalizing and assuming that everyone who are against a Blizzard store are poor. You can take your condescending attitude elsewhere.
Blizzard-Hosted Store: Instead of having Blizzard attempt to crack down, or ignore item stores, they could simply open up their own "official" store, where everyone could potentially purchase items from. If item selling is going to be going on, Blizzard could use the money from this store to put into the game, to help make the game better for us. So in a sense, you'd be paying extra for some possible cool future things in D3.
LOL.
That has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard all year.
Wow. The short-sightedness of that astoundingly moronic statement is overwhelming.
I've been sitting here for 2 minutes trying to think, if Blizzard generated infinite money from an item-selling store, what could they *possibly* do to make Diablo 3 better? Nothing. Can you think of anything?
A item-selling store will utterly destroy the game such that no amount of money can possibly fix it up. It's the point of no return.
Personally, I think the only people bitching about vanity stores are the ones that game too much to actually work and earn money.
There is absolutely NO reason to prevent vanity items from being sold by blizzard. None. Whatsothefuckever.
Vanity Items (for non english speakers) is being defined as different clothes, some pet that cannot do anything but follow you, some set of wings, or a lame looking guitar skin to disguise your weapon.
Purchasing said items have absolutely no effect on gameplay other than allowing customization... the same customization most diablofans scream as necessary.
So freaking what if your broke-ass cannot afford it. So what if you cannot give your female barbarian angel wings. Who cares... you get the benefit off some nerdy girl who decided to actually purchase it, and therefore prolong the life of Diablo 3.
As for other items sold in game store, I still see no problem with it. As long as you do not have to pay for actual patches or content. Dungeons and Dragons Online does a decent F2P system other than expecting you to pay for new zones, classes, races, etc (i'd rather this be in expansions than new content that has to be purchased every 3 months).
There are many reasons that there should not be a vanity store. From a pragmatic point of view, it is possible to turn a vanity store into a gold selling store, and indeed people attempt to do this in WoW. Blizzard sells vanity pets and mounts, you pay money for a code to add these items to your account. People in WoW sell these codes for gold. In effect, they are buying gold for money, from Blizzard (money -> code -> gold).
But the strongest argument against a vanity store is basic fairness. Vanity stores, and any stores that sell in-game things for money, destroys the integrity of the game. It is fundamentally not fair that after purchasing the game you're not allowed access to all the features of the game, including vanity features.
I would argue that it is better for Blizzard to raise the price of the game than to offer a vanity store, because at least everyone will have the same access to everything in the game.
Customization is essential in RPGs, which is why it is incredibly unfair to force people to buy these vanity features, if they want them, instead of having these features be part of the game that everyone can access, without additional charge. The fact that customization is such a core component of RPG games only makes vanity stores even more unacceptable.
Some options are really interesting, but I just want to say a Massive NO to the "Top Tier Gear" buying stuff not available through the game, worst thing ever.
I agree complete with that statement. This would make the game feel like one of those cheap free-to-play MMO games that people play online for about 1 week before they realize that you have to pay for this and that ... etc. I admit that if this was to become the norm for the game, I would have to take off my Diablo-for-life fanboy hat.
I think that the "No Store" option is best, but probably pretty hard to maintain with the number of hackers out there seeing the potential for money to be made. I would be fine with the "Blizzard Store" or "In-Game Store" (what we have now), as I can ignore those credit-card warriors if need be.
Ophion, you messed up my post! No worries, it's not a big deal.
All I'm saying is, I believe being able to purchase items from an official store does the following:
1. Has an impact on the economy in some way.
2. Makes players look cool because they bought some item from the Blizzard store (when that item could have been an in-game-only item where that person would have to earn that prize).
3. Make Blizzard look like a buncha sleezy basterds.
I don't like it.
Well for starters, things like dyes probably won't have a large place in the economy to begin with. And secondly, no matter how cool something you buy makes you look, everyone (or at least everyone at a certain level) will know that you paid for it. And it will therefore not look cool.
Just look at the people who buy the mounts in WoW. Sure, they look cool, but no one is like OMG YOUS A BOSS. Its not like you got some insanely cool mount drop from a tough boss, which would cause people to actually look and be amazed. If anyone does think you look cool, within five seconds of finding out how they too can look cool, they'll see that you paid for your vanity item, and move on.
We're not talking about big items here. It would be things like you can pay to get a Navy Blue dye when an end boss gives you Cobalt. Even if someone paid for the Navy, everyone would recognize that the Cobalt is more of a status symbol and would therefore want it more. Even the people who paid for the dyes would probably want the ones you get from boss drops, and if they're really that concerned about dyes (or some other vanity item) then I'm sure they'd be much more willing to drop large amounts of gold than spend real money.
Blizzard already, in some people's eyes, looks like a 'buncha sleezy basterds' because they make people pay monthly for WoW and also have extra vanity items you can pay for (mounts, pets, etc.) The fact of the matter is they made a few million dollars on the Celestial Steed (or whatever it was called.) You can't (or at least I can't) blame them for taking advantage of people willing to shell out unnecessary monies. And just go look at the response to the Celestial mount. No one is saying anything but "You dumb sons of bitches, you paid $25 for that?!!??!?!"
There will undoubtedly be micro-transactions in D3, there are just too many indications of that around the internet. And by that I mean confirmed info, not some silly fansite rumours ("We are going to monetize features so that we get to make them," said Wilson. "We kind of have to." - said back in 2008 IIRC). Also, the custom map market in SC2 is almost complete, it should go live very soon.
Considering all this. I really think that there will be some kind of a shop in D3 where one will be able to spend real money for electronic goods in D3. Looking at WoW and SC2, there could be vanity items shop (non-combat familiars, dyes, glows, taunts, emotes), there could be applications for iPhones and stuff like that, maybe even remote Auction House like there is one in WoW. Personally. I don't like any of this, if it was up to me, I wouldn't put anything of this in the game. But I'm afraid some of this stuff will be part of D3, whether we like it or not.
That has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard all year.
Wow. The short-sightedness of that astoundingly moronic statement is overwhelming.
I've been sitting here for 2 minutes trying to think, if Blizzard generated infinite money from an item-selling store, what could they *possibly* do to make Diablo 3 better? Nothing. Can you think of anything?
A item-selling store will utterly destroy the game such that no amount of money can possibly fix it up. It's the point of no return.
Oh the irony.
You accuse someone of short-sightedness when you've shown that you are clearly unable to factor in how more money *can* lead to the improvement of D3?
I am not saying it will but you need to be pretty thick-skulled to be unable to grasp such a simple concept.
But the strongest argument against a vanity store is basic fairness. Vanity stores, and any stores that sell in-game things for money, destroys the integrity of the game. It is fundamentally not fair that after purchasing the game you're not allowed access to all the features of the game, including vanity features.
Fairness? In terms of looks and features that don't influence the killing power of your character? Remind me again why you play diablo? Oh ya, to show everybody you are wearing the coolest armor and weapons. Even if that was your primary reason, is it so difficult to grasp why vanity items will never have the same bragging value as a farmed rare item?
I would argue that it is better for Blizzard to raise the price of the game than to offer a vanity store, because at least everyone will have the same access to everything in the game.
I think this is the strongest piece of evidence that your brain might not be functioning properly. Do you realize this will make the game even more inaccessible? How much can you raise the price to cover what you get through a vanity store?
Customization is essential in RPGs, which is why it is incredibly unfair to force people to buy these vanity features, if they want them, instead of having these features be part of the game that everyone can access, without additional charge. The fact that customization is such a core component of RPG games only makes vanity stores even more unacceptable.
Only if you have some serious character flaws, will you feel 'forced' to buy vanity items. You are conveniently choosing to ignore all those relevant customization features like runes and thousands of builds available to whine about how you won't be able to wear a magenta-colored headgear unless you shell out a few bucks. It's time you return to our universe because there's some serious problem of tunnel-vision in yours.
Some people still have a good thinking process coupled with a mind that opposes an ever growing stupidity brought along by these modern times that we live in.
You again? All your 'contribution' in this thread so far has been about how anybody not having the same opinion as you is stupid. I strongly advise you stop with that bullshit. There are actual valid arguments on both sides- possible advantages and disadvantages.
A stubbornly unilateral approach like yours- with complete disregard and utter contempt for what the other side has to bring- is what constitute the very essence of stupidity.
... I'm just fighting for equality in just in order to have a better game.
Fair enough but you can do so in a civilized manner. An extremely important point you might have overlooked all this time- the overwhelming MAJORITY of people are against stores; which made your post about how out of place you felt in this community rather comical.
Not everybody is gonna agree with you- a sad fact of life.
If finding that some are for the idea of stores upsets you so much, then these kinds of discussions are unfortunately not for you.
In a loot based game, selling of any items makes no sense. Yes, there will be sites that try to profit off of the fact that people will buy there way to the top. There is no avoiding this, but Blizzard would be stupid to try to fix the problem by creating their own store. This does no fix the problem, it just gives them the money from the problem. However, a broken game is much more damaging to their profits than an item store would be.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Find any Diablo news? Contact me or anyone else on the News team
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
This is all assuming that store items only exist in the store, and in game items only exist in game. Along the lines of the purchasable mounts in WoW. Again, I don't see how so many people are so strongly against the ability to buy items that have absolutely no effect on gameplay. Let some suckers buy them, and that will mean D3 is more of a success for Blizzard, which means we'll probably get more frequent/better content. I'm not saying that buying some vanity item from the store would be a good decision, obviously it would be a waste, but who cares if Blizzard gives some people the ability to spend more money on the game? Especially considering everyone will know that the person spent money on it, so it will just make them look dumb.
Find any Diablo news? Contact me or anyone else on the news team.
DiabloFans: Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Live Chat
Well I would like to think that too but the delays on SC2 and D3 were/are probably thanks to WoW. The each have their own dedicated teams true but it is obvious where priorities lie. So while they have resources, these resources are far from unlimited. They make games yes but they do so to get money. Having the biggest margin of profits will dictate how much they are willing to spend in manpower and which project should get the nod.
The lateness of the latest patch for D2 was entirely due to WoW and we can anticipate similar events for D3.
All of that to say that stores as some means of 'constant' revenue for blizzard might ensure more content and on a more regular basis for D3.
Of course, the other side of the coin might be that the stores don't generate enough and what goes in there is basically insufficient to warrant the advantage mentioned above.
So ya, instead of whining because you won't get to wear the magical penis of doom that some other ass bought from a store, you should contemplate the resulting possibility of getting more frequent updates for D3 to enjoy yourself with.
Also, stop menstruating all over the place. You are making a mess. We get it- you are against stores.
With all that said, I am still against stores but even the implementation of the latter won't stop me from enjoying D3.
Quoted for truth.
All I'm saying is, I believe being able to purchase items from an official store does the following:
1. Has an impact on the economy in some way.
2. Makes players look cool because they bought some item from the Blizzard store (when that item could have been an in-game-only item where that person would have to earn that prize).
3. Make Blizzard look like a buncha sleezy basterds.
I don't like it.
There is absolutely NO reason to prevent vanity items from being sold by blizzard. None. Whatsothefuckever.
Vanity Items (for non english speakers) is being defined as different clothes, some pet that cannot do anything but follow you, some set of wings, or a lame looking guitar skin to disguise your weapon.
Purchasing said items have absolutely no effect on gameplay other than allowing customization... the same customization most diablofans scream as necessary.
So freaking what if your broke-ass cannot afford it. So what if you cannot give your female barbarian angel wings. Who cares... you get the benefit off some nerdy girl who decided to actually purchase it, and therefore prolong the life of Diablo 3.
As for other items sold in game store, I still see no problem with it. As long as you do not have to pay for actual patches or content. Dungeons and Dragons Online does a decent F2P system other than expecting you to pay for new zones, classes, races, etc (i'd rather this be in expansions than new content that has to be purchased every 3 months).
Way to flaunt your immaturity and ignorance of the issue at hand. This has nothing to do with people being poor or not. If Blizzard implements a store, then future Blizzard installments will follow the same route, and perhaps be completely pay2play. Once Blizzard dips its hands into greed, there's no turning back. That's fine if you have a deep craving to get milked by Blizzard; there's WoW for a reason. The rest of us want to keep the Diablo series as money-free as possible.
Also, there's no need to impose yourself on others. We all know that people who act big online and insult others are miserable themselves in real life. In fact, I bet that the majority of people on this forum who don't support stores are wealthier than you. So please stop generalizing and assuming that everyone who are against a Blizzard store are poor. You can take your condescending attitude elsewhere.
That has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard all year.
Wow. The short-sightedness of that astoundingly moronic statement is overwhelming.
I've been sitting here for 2 minutes trying to think, if Blizzard generated infinite money from an item-selling store, what could they *possibly* do to make Diablo 3 better? Nothing. Can you think of anything?
A item-selling store will utterly destroy the game such that no amount of money can possibly fix it up. It's the point of no return.
There are many reasons that there should not be a vanity store. From a pragmatic point of view, it is possible to turn a vanity store into a gold selling store, and indeed people attempt to do this in WoW. Blizzard sells vanity pets and mounts, you pay money for a code to add these items to your account. People in WoW sell these codes for gold. In effect, they are buying gold for money, from Blizzard (money -> code -> gold).
But the strongest argument against a vanity store is basic fairness. Vanity stores, and any stores that sell in-game things for money, destroys the integrity of the game. It is fundamentally not fair that after purchasing the game you're not allowed access to all the features of the game, including vanity features.
I would argue that it is better for Blizzard to raise the price of the game than to offer a vanity store, because at least everyone will have the same access to everything in the game.
Customization is essential in RPGs, which is why it is incredibly unfair to force people to buy these vanity features, if they want them, instead of having these features be part of the game that everyone can access, without additional charge. The fact that customization is such a core component of RPG games only makes vanity stores even more unacceptable.
I agree complete with that statement. This would make the game feel like one of those cheap free-to-play MMO games that people play online for about 1 week before they realize that you have to pay for this and that ... etc. I admit that if this was to become the norm for the game, I would have to take off my Diablo-for-life fanboy hat.
I think that the "No Store" option is best, but probably pretty hard to maintain with the number of hackers out there seeing the potential for money to be made. I would be fine with the "Blizzard Store" or "In-Game Store" (what we have now), as I can ignore those credit-card warriors if need be.
Just look at the people who buy the mounts in WoW. Sure, they look cool, but no one is like OMG YOUS A BOSS. Its not like you got some insanely cool mount drop from a tough boss, which would cause people to actually look and be amazed. If anyone does think you look cool, within five seconds of finding out how they too can look cool, they'll see that you paid for your vanity item, and move on.
We're not talking about big items here. It would be things like you can pay to get a Navy Blue dye when an end boss gives you Cobalt. Even if someone paid for the Navy, everyone would recognize that the Cobalt is more of a status symbol and would therefore want it more. Even the people who paid for the dyes would probably want the ones you get from boss drops, and if they're really that concerned about dyes (or some other vanity item) then I'm sure they'd be much more willing to drop large amounts of gold than spend real money.
Blizzard already, in some people's eyes, looks like a 'buncha sleezy basterds' because they make people pay monthly for WoW and also have extra vanity items you can pay for (mounts, pets, etc.) The fact of the matter is they made a few million dollars on the Celestial Steed (or whatever it was called.) You can't (or at least I can't) blame them for taking advantage of people willing to shell out unnecessary monies. And just go look at the response to the Celestial mount. No one is saying anything but "You dumb sons of bitches, you paid $25 for that?!!??!?!"
Find any Diablo news? Contact me or anyone else on the news team.
DiabloFans: Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Live Chat
Considering all this. I really think that there will be some kind of a shop in D3 where one will be able to spend real money for electronic goods in D3. Looking at WoW and SC2, there could be vanity items shop (non-combat familiars, dyes, glows, taunts, emotes), there could be applications for iPhones and stuff like that, maybe even remote Auction House like there is one in WoW. Personally. I don't like any of this, if it was up to me, I wouldn't put anything of this in the game. But I'm afraid some of this stuff will be part of D3, whether we like it or not.
Oh the irony.
You accuse someone of short-sightedness when you've shown that you are clearly unable to factor in how more money *can* lead to the improvement of D3?
I am not saying it will but you need to be pretty thick-skulled to be unable to grasp such a simple concept.
Fairness? In terms of looks and features that don't influence the killing power of your character? Remind me again why you play diablo? Oh ya, to show everybody you are wearing the coolest armor and weapons. Even if that was your primary reason, is it so difficult to grasp why vanity items will never have the same bragging value as a farmed rare item?
I think this is the strongest piece of evidence that your brain might not be functioning properly. Do you realize this will make the game even more inaccessible? How much can you raise the price to cover what you get through a vanity store?
Only if you have some serious character flaws, will you feel 'forced' to buy vanity items. You are conveniently choosing to ignore all those relevant customization features like runes and thousands of builds available to whine about how you won't be able to wear a magenta-colored headgear unless you shell out a few bucks. It's time you return to our universe because there's some serious problem of tunnel-vision in yours.
You again? All your 'contribution' in this thread so far has been about how anybody not having the same opinion as you is stupid. I strongly advise you stop with that bullshit. There are actual valid arguments on both sides- possible advantages and disadvantages.
A stubbornly unilateral approach like yours- with complete disregard and utter contempt for what the other side has to bring- is what constitute the very essence of stupidity.
Fair enough but you can do so in a civilized manner. An extremely important point you might have overlooked all this time- the overwhelming MAJORITY of people are against stores; which made your post about how out of place you felt in this community rather comical.
Not everybody is gonna agree with you- a sad fact of life.
If finding that some are for the idea of stores upsets you so much, then these kinds of discussions are unfortunately not for you.
Find any Diablo news? Contact me or anyone else on the News team