The one thing that worried me here is that he said ladder might not return. I know there might be other ways to keep us busy than just leveling as endgame, but why take away one of those options instead of keeping as many as possible?
There could be a ladder still it just won't have resets, which means the ranking will have to change from who hits 99 first to something else. Maybe, who has played the most, that day/week/month. I'm sure they'll have a ranking system of some type.
Oh, and I played SP since the game came outs, I only got into battle.net in the last year or two. I avoided it at first because of lag and pk issues, but now exclusively play ladder cause there's a lot more to the game if you do.
Otherwise you would need internetconnection to play the game and maybe pay some $/,month.
as for bop:
Even more stupid, someone better tell Blizzard that this isnt Diablocraft its D I A B L O
so leave the game as it is and don't implement crap from your cartoonnetwork game damnit.
Items as quest-rewards? WTF you should get them randomly like in Diablo 2 otherwise people are forced to do all the braindead queststuff...
And YES that also affects the sp part of the game.
BoA, BoE:
Wont, but esp. BoE would destroy the free game economy forever.
What are they trying to fix?! If I "own" an item I want to be able, to sell, trade, hand it over to whomever I want, BoE takes away this freedom and why bother "endgame" gear? Diablo has no real endgame gear, because you are just running the same bosses over and over there is nothing like "raidprogression" or stuff like that so this idea is right down the line stupid as hell.
It really looks like Blizz has forgotten WHO made them rich, its not the damn wow'ers. They are implementing too much crap and therefore pissing off some loyal (former) fans, just to please a so called "new community"...
I don't think you actually read the blue post.. what you wrote is misinformed and wrong in almost every way.
Go back, read, analyze, and stop jumping to conclusions.
I don't agree. Diablo is a Single Player foremost. I rarely played online (although i played a lot LAN or DirectIP), but i consider myself hardcore D player. And even when you play multiplayer (which is great, i remember on Diablo1 me and my friends played for a week without sleeping/eating) it still feels like Single Player with other characters running around to interact with. Diablo was always about the adventure and the story, and mostly you get it on SP.
Don't get me wrong, MP is great, but its not the main part of Diablo.
I think if we do a poll on which mode you first play when you run the game (or play mostly on) there will be more people that will choose SP.
Also, about the BoE/BoP - sounds fine to me and it doesn't concern SP. Its all better if they make MP better.
I'd like to see the Diablo series where it is now without multiplayer.
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Odin's post : "It really looks like Blizz has forgotten WHO made them rich, its not the damn wow'ers. They are implementing too much crap and therefore pissing off some loyal (former) fans, just to please a so called "new community"..."
I don't care how many copies you bought of diablo, diablo 2 and diablo 2 expansion. To say that is plain ignorance. And I mean, Plain ignorance.
Why you ask?
WoW is a game. Ok no difference between Diablo right? WoW has fans, just like Diablo right?
But UNLIKE diablo, WoW generates over $15 dollars a month from over 5 million users. Unless 5,000,000 Diablo fans are buying a copy of Diablo every month(which is absurd and is not happening) then WoW will ALWAYS generate more money. End of discussion.
Now unfortunately for you, a WoW hater, someone who probably hasn't even played that game, they will implement SOME of the working and cool ideas which allow for more customization. Will this wreck Diablo? To you it will. For everyone else... well its just obvious.
Before you start flaming and going on a rant, just think twice ok? All of us like Diablo 3 and trust Blizzard to do well. But you my friend
It's better left unsaid.
To question a concept that allows blizzard to regulate trade is ridiculous. There has never been any trade regulation at all, and we have seen so many dupes and so many items coming and watering down trade. We have seen fluctuation in currency and constant changes in what is worth what.
Its really not helpful to look at a new concept, from WoW or not, and see its application as nothing but hurtful. Diablo2 nor Diablo1 were ever perfect, and implications of new systems and structure were the only things that made D2 superior to D1. So please, stop tripping all over new implementations.
Binding items to accounts (as opposed to specific characters) is a genius idea. Once blizzard has a free reign to know the strength of the economy and control whats being traded and whats being kept, it can then strengthen the currency so any real player can have some sort of currency.
If your argument is that runes and runewords were a perfect currency for D2, please tell me how many high runes the average diablo player has ever seen drop?
1? 5? 10? I dont care who you are, it probably never exceeded 20. (Unless you have made D2 your job)
Let Blizzard do its thing, it has a huge shot to give us an awesome game, and to question them every step of the way is as smart as a one legged man entering an ass kicking contest.
I didn't question the statement "that wow generates more" nor did I say somthing "D3 will suck" all I'm saying is, that they shozuld focus on the things that made Diablo outstanding.
WoW = MMO
Diablo = ARPG
So two different genres.
Is it possible that D3's gonna suck? Absolutely. Good it be incredible? Absolutely. I didn't play it so I can't say yes or no. What I can is, judging the game what I've seen/read and like always I like some things others suck in my mind.
I'm not against BoE because its from WoW I would hate it if it would be from any other game too, it just sucks. Theres really a small line between mixing two genres and usually it doesn't end well.
Yes, yes Blizzard and they're gods and what not for some you, but you've to understand that that these guys are humans too, they will make mistakes and thats fine, because otherwise they would be AI'ers.
as for MMO(RPG)'s
free & good economy - EvE
regulate & bad ecnomomy - WoW, Lotro ...
OK OK OK...please explain WHY you think BOE "sucks" And please read Bashiok's reasoning behind it before you answer. I absolutely understand why it's being implemented in D3.
I can't begin to express how I hate this idea. Bind is stupid and I don't know what they are trying to achieve through it. Make Diablo 3 into WoW 2, go ahead. Why not charge a monthly fee for Bnet usage!
They just gave me a reason to stop anticipating Diablo 3.
I couldn't agree more. I don't know how many times in D2 I've made a character, got relatively top end gear on him, played him for a couple days, didn't like him, traded off all his gear, and made a new character with relatively top end gear. Perfect set up, once you got wealthy enough to gear up a character with great gear, you could basically make any build in the game as long as you were a good trader. I guess if you sucked at trading in D2 and couldn't figure out the economy then this BoE crap is good, as it handicaps people who knew the game so you can keep up with them.
D2 economy would have been fine if it wasnt for duping and botting making things unfair for those people playing legit. Ladder reset once a year or so kept it fresh for people who loved trying to trade and get ahead, and nonladder was awesome for people who just wanted to get rich and always play with their GG gear.
I hate this idea when I look at it in terms of Diablo 2, if I spend 2 weeks worth of playing trading for high runes to trade for a griffin, and put it on a light sorc, and decide I really don't want a light sorc, I want to try out a cs zon, now I gotta go grind out another griffin. I hope with this awful system theres reclassing to go along with respeccing.
I'm just glad there hasn't been any pre-ordering for this game yet, I'd be pissed if I had any money invested in it.
Technically speaking, (I'm assuming this from what Bashiok is really saying), every class will have their own different end game gear. Theoretically, you shouldn't be switching end game gear between class much.
And since we are going to see respecing as well, that your end game gear is binded to your character is not as big of a deal as it seems.
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I guess if you sucked at trading in D2 and couldn't figure out the economy then this BoE crap is good, as it handicaps people who knew the game so you can keep up with them.
I guess you can't fucking make any arguments without immediately starting with a general insult.
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D2 economy would have been fine if it wasnt for duping and botting making things unfair for those people playing legit.
I guess you are so insanely blinded by your "D2 love" that you can't even see how the D2 ecnomy is flawed in its very core, and that while it would've been much better without duping and botting, it certainly wouldn't be "fine".
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I hate this idea when I look at it in terms of Diablo 2, if I spend 2 weeks worth of playing trading for high runes to trade for a griffin, and put it on a light sorc, and decide I really don't want a light sorc, I want to try out a cs zon, now I gotta go grind out another griffin. I hope with this awful system theres reclassing to go along with respeccing.
See top of my post.
In short, just freakin' suck it up. Blizzard got no interest in making a game for the nostalgic or blind fans that just can't see anything else but D2 and how it was.
I guess you can't fucking make any arguments without immediately starting with a general insult.
It's not a general insult. Some people sucked at trading, some were good. It was part of the game. Some learned it, some didn't.
I guess you are so insanely blinded by your "D2 love" that you can't even see how the D2 ecnomy is flawed in its very core, and that while it would've been much better without duping and botting, it certainly wouldn't be "fine".
Like I said, ladder was perfect for people who wanted a fresh start every now and then, and non-ladder perfect for perfectionist who just wanted to accumulate godlies. What was wrong about it, that not everyone could have all the best stuff?
In short, just freakin' suck it up. Blizzard got no interest in making a game for the nostalgic or blind fans that just can't see anything else but D2 and how it was.
Duh, like this isn't obvious yet? It just sucks balls when an item based economy was something in D2 that almost no other games have and they're obviously going to rip it out for D3. Your probably gonna argue why item based currencies are shitty, but an item based economy is one of the main features of D2 thats kept it popular.
Nostalgic or blind fans though, makes me laugh. I've been a fan of the Diablo series for years and what keeps me interested in Diablo is some of the core features it has that not many other games do, yet you act like this is a bad thing. I wish Blizzard would call this game Fairy Puff Land or something and at least let the Diablo series die an honorable death with D2.
as for MMO(RPG)'s
free & good economy - EvE
regulate & bad ecnomomy - WoW, Lotro ...
Many of you are missing the core issue that Blizzard is trying to adress with this change, and that's to create a way to dump worth (gold, items etc.) out of the game.
If there are no sinks in the game, the game will accumulate more and more worth as time progresses, flooding the market with more and more items at a larger rate than new players are coming into the game. This was, as Bashoik pointed out, adresses in D2 through Ladder resets, in which the economy was completely wiped out once a reset commenced.
Eve, as above mentioned, has a more free conomy because people can loose stuff. Their ship gets blown up, and the gear is gone, meaning new has to be procured. This keeps the economy stable, as items and equipment disappears from the market everytime a player dies, which offsets new items being gained and created by players; thus the market isn't flooded.
In D3, you can't loose items. Even if you die, you can just pick up your body. Thus articifial ways of forcing items out of the market have to be created. Ladder is one, BoE is another. Removing items from the market continuously is imperative to create a healthy economy, to ensure that items don't loose their value and keep trade and treasure-hunting rewarding for all.
Yet at the same time, Blizzard has at this time demonstrated that they do not wish to hamper trade at all, since Bind on Pickup items will not be in the game. Such a limit would not benefit trade, and so Blizzard has opted not to include it. Have a little faith people, and try to look at this not as a copy from WoW, but as another aspect of the game designed to improve gameplay for all of us.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
Supporting big shoulderpads and flashy armor since 2004.
And that's why I dislike BoE.
I don't care squat for the economy. I don't play for the economy. And without the consideration for economy, BoE is simply a cumbersome ball and chain.
You seem to have missed the point, you can't ignore it. It's not something that can just be excluded from the game by the developers if they'd wanted to. If you're going to have any form of trade whatsoever, be it inside a game or in reality, you will have economic aspects to consider. That's fundamental, economics in this sense that we use it here simply describes what effects people interactions have.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
Supporting big shoulderpads and flashy armor since 2004.
Technically speaking, (I'm assuming this from what Bashiok is really saying), every class will have their own different end game gear. Theoretically, you shouldn't be switching end game gear between class much.
Waiiiiiit a minute there Jakey. Weren't you crying in another thread about how theres no uniquness in D2 yet your talking about end game class specific gear here like its a good thing? Seems like this + respecs in D3 = no uniqueness if everyone's gonna want the same BoE endgame pieces.
oh sorry, I didn't know d2 was a trading game. I thought it was about fairly getting great gear and working for it.
Ever play on battlenet? I was unaware mf'ing something I don't want at the time, and trading it for other items I do want was unfair or not working for it lol.
And that's why I dislike BoE.
I don't care squat for the economy. I don't play for the economy. And without the consideration for economy, BoE is simply a cumbersome ball and chain.
Thank you sir.
A stable economy is needed to make the game fun. Bottom line.
Its called ladder. D2's the only game I've ever played with this ladder/nonladder feature, and guess what was partially responsible for keeping me playing year after year.
On a side note, autostatting, respeccing, and bind on equip items, way to go Blizzard, way to chip away at things that gave D2 its replay value. I'm looking so excited for this game thats becoming more and more obvious any numbnuts who can sit down and grind for a month is gonna have a "perfect" character. No thought or game knowledge required.
lol for real... did you read the op? there is no BOP, only BOE. if you don't want it you can sell it all you want, but once you use it you can only vendor it or something...
So every time I want to make a different class, or build, depending how respecs are going to work,I have to start completely from scratch gear wise, because all the gear I have is now completely worthless since its all bound, and if vendoring it for gold is worthwhile, lord help us, grind gold based economies are awful.
if there was no system like this we would eventually come to a number of a certain item people need and there wouldn't be any point in searching for it. and why would you when you can buy it?
BoE isn't going to change this, its just going to make it more annoying. If you thought it was hard to get a 2 socket CoA in D2, and they have anything near as rare in D3, imagine how much nut its going to suck when you equip it on a paladin, and decide a week later you want to play around with it on a barb.
Unless players can permanantly lose gear or there is some type of ladder resetting the economy is going to be stagnant. I don't know about most people but if it takes a long time to gear up a character with uber gear, I'm not gonna spend several months each time I want to make an alt, just to get them their binding end game game, just to see if I like how they play. At least with the no bind system you only wasted as much time as it took to level and trade your gear if you hated a specific build and wanted to play around with another. If I wanted to spend 6 months on a character every time I wanted to try something new out then I wouldn't be on this site, I'd be on some WoW site.
You seem to have missed the point. I don't have trading aspects in my Diablo.
Well, the majority of people DO like to trade a lot and want a good economy unlike in D2 which started good then went down the sinker as dupes flooded the economy. you are entitled to your 2 cents but in the end majority rules.
Well, the majority of people DO like to trade a lot and want a good economy unlike in D2 which started good then went down the sinker as dupes flooded the economy. you are entitled to your 2 cents but in the end majority rules.
Exactly. Botting and duping ruined the economy. If it wasn't for botters and dupers top end gear wouldnt be nearly as common, thus giving more stability to the ladder economy. So instead of seeing botters and dupers as a problem, lets just do something to make the game a pain in the ass for legit players.
I lol when I read contradicting statements such as: "Diablo is foremost a single player game! This will hurt trading!!!"
Like, let's take this gentleman's post:
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And that's why I dislike BoE.
I don't care squat for the economy. I don't play for the economy. And without the consideration for economy, BoE is simply a cumbersome ball and chain.
You express carelessness for the concept of economy. You don't give a crap, right? You only care for being able to trade an item that you have already chosen to wear on your character. Oh wait, you want to be able to trade freely but you don't care about the economy? Interesting!
The question is: WHY would you want to trade an item that you have chosen to wear? Because you have found a better one? Well, obviously, they only plan to make the end-game items BoE, which means that you CAN'T find better stuff to replace it with. You may find something that you prefer to wear in that slot, but you will still want to keep the old item in case you want to change your spec or play style since it is pretty much the same tier. Can you see the logic behind the decision to only apply this to end-game gear?
If you don't care about the economy that is your friggin' problem. You don't mind hurting the entire game economy just so that you could re-sell your old items when you decide to delete your character or whatever... That is stupid and cheap. If you want to trade, then obtain items. Work for them, trade for them, and don't wear them. Simple as that. It won't make your game any more 'casual' than it already is, it will just make it a more stable experience with an actual currency and where ladder resets will have become a nuisance.
Too many people cried about not being able to obtain the best gear in D2 for various reasons, when if you just took the time to learn the game and the trade economy, its not all that difficult.
However, instead of telling these whiners to suck a nut, blizzard will dumb down D3 to appease them, thus making obtaining gear boringly easy.
I hope all you whiners enjoy a game where everybody all has the exact same gear now.
My impression of some of you people, ITS NOT FAIR THAT GUY HAS BETTER GEAR THEN ME ITS CLEARLY A FLAW IN THE GAME DESIGN WAHHHHHH!!!
P.S. Binding is not a gear sink. Your not removing anything from the game. Just because my 1337 armor binds when I wear it doesn't mean its going to make yours any more valuable if you want to trade it, and it will probably make it even mro annoying to trade. For example, if I am currently using a low enigma in d2 terms, I might be willing to trade for a higher one, and then trade off the low one I no longer need. If the low one binds, making it totally worthless to trade down the road, I'd just say screw it, not worth the effort, and stick with the low one unless I was so ridiculously rich I'd want to waste the time to get 2% more armor class.
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There could be a ladder still it just won't have resets, which means the ranking will have to change from who hits 99 first to something else. Maybe, who has played the most, that day/week/month. I'm sure they'll have a ranking system of some type.
Oh, and I played SP since the game came outs, I only got into battle.net in the last year or two. I avoided it at first because of lag and pk issues, but now exclusively play ladder cause there's a lot more to the game if you do.
I don't think you actually read the blue post.. what you wrote is misinformed and wrong in almost every way.
Go back, read, analyze, and stop jumping to conclusions.
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I'd like to see the Diablo series where it is now without multiplayer.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
I don't care how many copies you bought of diablo, diablo 2 and diablo 2 expansion. To say that is plain ignorance. And I mean, Plain ignorance.
Why you ask?
WoW is a game. Ok no difference between Diablo right? WoW has fans, just like Diablo right?
But UNLIKE diablo, WoW generates over $15 dollars a month from over 5 million users. Unless 5,000,000 Diablo fans are buying a copy of Diablo every month(which is absurd and is not happening) then WoW will ALWAYS generate more money. End of discussion.
Now unfortunately for you, a WoW hater, someone who probably hasn't even played that game, they will implement SOME of the working and cool ideas which allow for more customization. Will this wreck Diablo? To you it will. For everyone else... well its just obvious.
Before you start flaming and going on a rant, just think twice ok? All of us like Diablo 3 and trust Blizzard to do well. But you my friend
It's better left unsaid.
Its really not helpful to look at a new concept, from WoW or not, and see its application as nothing but hurtful. Diablo2 nor Diablo1 were ever perfect, and implications of new systems and structure were the only things that made D2 superior to D1. So please, stop tripping all over new implementations.
Binding items to accounts (as opposed to specific characters) is a genius idea. Once blizzard has a free reign to know the strength of the economy and control whats being traded and whats being kept, it can then strengthen the currency so any real player can have some sort of currency.
If your argument is that runes and runewords were a perfect currency for D2, please tell me how many high runes the average diablo player has ever seen drop?
1? 5? 10? I dont care who you are, it probably never exceeded 20. (Unless you have made D2 your job)
Let Blizzard do its thing, it has a huge shot to give us an awesome game, and to question them every step of the way is as smart as a one legged man entering an ass kicking contest.
OK OK OK...please explain WHY you think BOE "sucks" And please read Bashiok's reasoning behind it before you answer. I absolutely understand why it's being implemented in D3.
I couldn't agree more. I don't know how many times in D2 I've made a character, got relatively top end gear on him, played him for a couple days, didn't like him, traded off all his gear, and made a new character with relatively top end gear. Perfect set up, once you got wealthy enough to gear up a character with great gear, you could basically make any build in the game as long as you were a good trader. I guess if you sucked at trading in D2 and couldn't figure out the economy then this BoE crap is good, as it handicaps people who knew the game so you can keep up with them.
D2 economy would have been fine if it wasnt for duping and botting making things unfair for those people playing legit. Ladder reset once a year or so kept it fresh for people who loved trying to trade and get ahead, and nonladder was awesome for people who just wanted to get rich and always play with their GG gear.
I hate this idea when I look at it in terms of Diablo 2, if I spend 2 weeks worth of playing trading for high runes to trade for a griffin, and put it on a light sorc, and decide I really don't want a light sorc, I want to try out a cs zon, now I gotta go grind out another griffin. I hope with this awful system theres reclassing to go along with respeccing.
I'm just glad there hasn't been any pre-ordering for this game yet, I'd be pissed if I had any money invested in it.
And since we are going to see respecing as well, that your end game gear is binded to your character is not as big of a deal as it seems.
I guess you can't fucking make any arguments without immediately starting with a general insult.
I guess you are so insanely blinded by your "D2 love" that you can't even see how the D2 ecnomy is flawed in its very core, and that while it would've been much better without duping and botting, it certainly wouldn't be "fine".
See top of my post.
In short, just freakin' suck it up. Blizzard got no interest in making a game for the nostalgic or blind fans that just can't see anything else but D2 and how it was.
It's not a general insult. Some people sucked at trading, some were good. It was part of the game. Some learned it, some didn't.
Like I said, ladder was perfect for people who wanted a fresh start every now and then, and non-ladder perfect for perfectionist who just wanted to accumulate godlies. What was wrong about it, that not everyone could have all the best stuff?
Duh, like this isn't obvious yet? It just sucks balls when an item based economy was something in D2 that almost no other games have and they're obviously going to rip it out for D3. Your probably gonna argue why item based currencies are shitty, but an item based economy is one of the main features of D2 thats kept it popular.
Nostalgic or blind fans though, makes me laugh. I've been a fan of the Diablo series for years and what keeps me interested in Diablo is some of the core features it has that not many other games do, yet you act like this is a bad thing. I wish Blizzard would call this game Fairy Puff Land or something and at least let the Diablo series die an honorable death with D2.
If there are no sinks in the game, the game will accumulate more and more worth as time progresses, flooding the market with more and more items at a larger rate than new players are coming into the game. This was, as Bashoik pointed out, adresses in D2 through Ladder resets, in which the economy was completely wiped out once a reset commenced.
Eve, as above mentioned, has a more free conomy because people can loose stuff. Their ship gets blown up, and the gear is gone, meaning new has to be procured. This keeps the economy stable, as items and equipment disappears from the market everytime a player dies, which offsets new items being gained and created by players; thus the market isn't flooded.
In D3, you can't loose items. Even if you die, you can just pick up your body. Thus articifial ways of forcing items out of the market have to be created. Ladder is one, BoE is another. Removing items from the market continuously is imperative to create a healthy economy, to ensure that items don't loose their value and keep trade and treasure-hunting rewarding for all.
Yet at the same time, Blizzard has at this time demonstrated that they do not wish to hamper trade at all, since Bind on Pickup items will not be in the game. Such a limit would not benefit trade, and so Blizzard has opted not to include it. Have a little faith people, and try to look at this not as a copy from WoW, but as another aspect of the game designed to improve gameplay for all of us.
Waiiiiiit a minute there Jakey. Weren't you crying in another thread about how theres no uniquness in D2 yet your talking about end game class specific gear here like its a good thing? Seems like this + respecs in D3 = no uniqueness if everyone's gonna want the same BoE endgame pieces.
Ever play on battlenet? I was unaware mf'ing something I don't want at the time, and trading it for other items I do want was unfair or not working for it lol.
Thank you sir.
Its called ladder. D2's the only game I've ever played with this ladder/nonladder feature, and guess what was partially responsible for keeping me playing year after year.
On a side note, autostatting, respeccing, and bind on equip items, way to go Blizzard, way to chip away at things that gave D2 its replay value. I'm looking so excited for this game thats becoming more and more obvious any numbnuts who can sit down and grind for a month is gonna have a "perfect" character. No thought or game knowledge required.
So every time I want to make a different class, or build, depending how respecs are going to work,I have to start completely from scratch gear wise, because all the gear I have is now completely worthless since its all bound, and if vendoring it for gold is worthwhile, lord help us, grind gold based economies are awful.
BoE isn't going to change this, its just going to make it more annoying. If you thought it was hard to get a 2 socket CoA in D2, and they have anything near as rare in D3, imagine how much nut its going to suck when you equip it on a paladin, and decide a week later you want to play around with it on a barb.
Unless players can permanantly lose gear or there is some type of ladder resetting the economy is going to be stagnant. I don't know about most people but if it takes a long time to gear up a character with uber gear, I'm not gonna spend several months each time I want to make an alt, just to get them their binding end game game, just to see if I like how they play. At least with the no bind system you only wasted as much time as it took to level and trade your gear if you hated a specific build and wanted to play around with another. If I wanted to spend 6 months on a character every time I wanted to try something new out then I wouldn't be on this site, I'd be on some WoW site.
Well, the majority of people DO like to trade a lot and want a good economy unlike in D2 which started good then went down the sinker as dupes flooded the economy. you are entitled to your 2 cents but in the end majority rules.
Exactly. Botting and duping ruined the economy. If it wasn't for botters and dupers top end gear wouldnt be nearly as common, thus giving more stability to the ladder economy. So instead of seeing botters and dupers as a problem, lets just do something to make the game a pain in the ass for legit players.
Like, let's take this gentleman's post:
You express carelessness for the concept of economy. You don't give a crap, right? You only care for being able to trade an item that you have already chosen to wear on your character. Oh wait, you want to be able to trade freely but you don't care about the economy? Interesting!
The question is: WHY would you want to trade an item that you have chosen to wear? Because you have found a better one? Well, obviously, they only plan to make the end-game items BoE, which means that you CAN'T find better stuff to replace it with. You may find something that you prefer to wear in that slot, but you will still want to keep the old item in case you want to change your spec or play style since it is pretty much the same tier. Can you see the logic behind the decision to only apply this to end-game gear?
If you don't care about the economy that is your friggin' problem. You don't mind hurting the entire game economy just so that you could re-sell your old items when you decide to delete your character or whatever... That is stupid and cheap. If you want to trade, then obtain items. Work for them, trade for them, and don't wear them. Simple as that. It won't make your game any more 'casual' than it already is, it will just make it a more stable experience with an actual currency and where ladder resets will have become a nuisance.
NOOOOOOOOooooooooooo =( lolz
Second hand gear for noob only not for me =P
However, instead of telling these whiners to suck a nut, blizzard will dumb down D3 to appease them, thus making obtaining gear boringly easy.
I hope all you whiners enjoy a game where everybody all has the exact same gear now.
My impression of some of you people, ITS NOT FAIR THAT GUY HAS BETTER GEAR THEN ME ITS CLEARLY A FLAW IN THE GAME DESIGN WAHHHHHH!!!
P.S. Binding is not a gear sink. Your not removing anything from the game. Just because my 1337 armor binds when I wear it doesn't mean its going to make yours any more valuable if you want to trade it, and it will probably make it even mro annoying to trade. For example, if I am currently using a low enigma in d2 terms, I might be willing to trade for a higher one, and then trade off the low one I no longer need. If the low one binds, making it totally worthless to trade down the road, I'd just say screw it, not worth the effort, and stick with the low one unless I was so ridiculously rich I'd want to waste the time to get 2% more armor class.