Hey everyone, I'm fairly new to diablofans so forgive me if I should be posting this elsewhere. Along the same lines as Jay Wilson talking about the art direction, he also responded to some of the fan photoshopped Diablo 3 pictures. Here's a link to the article if you're interested:
You can as well add ponnies and disney-rainbows to Diablo III. Sorry, but you can.
That's a little different from zombies in a field. Isn't it? See what you do every time? You go from one dramatic to another in order to make a point. The problem is your point always ends up being shallow because it relies on exaggeration in order for it to have validity.
The game is in development, so this is the best time to say these.
Totally disagree as you wanting a better game is based upon you wanting it your way.
Your really stuck to that "your opinion" thing. Dont you see all the other people around who want the game to improve? You had debates with a lot more people than just me.
Most people are whining and want it their way or the way their personally percieve D2 and they hate change. Do you think you could be happy with D3 if it has a contrast of beauty and darkness? If it has nice colors but dark themes? Are you going to be able to handle big shoulder pads that make your character look bad ass? Or are you going to question and over analyze and obsess mindlessly over the false notion that realism gives a game more emersion?
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Hey everyone, I'm fairly new to diablofans so forgive me if I should be posting this elsewhere. Along the same lines as Jay Wilson talking about the art direction, he also responded to some of the fan photoshopped Diablo 3 pictures. Here's a link to the article if you're interested:
Hey everyone, I'm fairly new to diablofans so forgive me if I should be posting this elsewhere. Along the same lines as Jay Wilson talking about the art direction, he also responded to some of the fan photoshopped Diablo 3 pictures. Here's a link to the article if you're interested:
The darker version looks shit loads better, but i still cant help but be annoyed at the pastel like background and the cartoony look of the enemies.:mad:
Blizzard shouldn't have taken those screenshots head on. They should have just said "No" and moved on. But they care so much about you jackasses that they are willing to explain themselves, over and over and over...
So his explanations were great. Dead on. However now the assclowns who made the screenshots got attention and know that Blizz saw their work. So now we may see even more shots as people will want Blizz to see their crappy version of Diablo too.
I told most of you guys that your ideas would actually mess the game up and now we have Blizz confirming that. Ouchies.
The darker version looks shit loads better, but i still cant help but be annoyed at the pastel like background and the cartoony look of the enemies.:mad:
Generally I don't really care for the photoshop versions since they would probably get boring after awhile and at times make it difficult to see enemies and other players. I'm plenty happy with the direction blizzard has gone.
How i the hells am i going to make you understand?..
Stop trying to tell me that I don't understand you. I understand you fine. I simply understand things from a different perspective than "D2 had different shoulder pads in it!" I understand what you are asking for is silly to most people. I understand that you constantly use hyperbole to make your points and it gets you nowhere. That's what I've been trying to tell you for about 58 posts now.
its their job to find a way to please both sides.
No it isn't. it's their job to make the best game they can by their standards - not yours.
I want contrast, but what i see in the game isnt really a good contrast and im %100 sure that there are a lot of people who would like to agree with me here.
You constantly appeal to the masses of petitioners. Well, there are even more people who disagree with you - including Blizzard. So,...where does that get us?
Great colors and dark themes is great but they have a lot of work to do to absolutely reach that. NOT my opinion, there are others etc. etc. (I think i have to add that after every paragraph to make some people understand better.)
Those pauldrons dont look badass at all. And there are others who think like me, you know.
Lol, "midlessly over-analyze"... How cool you sound. :rolleyes:
Well if i say something in a normal manner you dont understand it, and if i use exaggerations you act like that.
How i the hells am i going to make you understand?
By not being a condescending ass.
Since when did debating include being an ass to people? What the hell ever happened to a civil debate? Hell, atleast Luck even had more respect.
Im only giving examples, you dont seem to understand that. Am i supposed to make the game or what? I am -No, we are- trying to guide, not make the game.
The problem when ignorant people try to "guide" others on how to do their job is that nothing is practical. You're "guidance" comes off as mindless rants and whining.
There's a reason others are game designers and you're not. It's because they know what's practical and what works. While you just create ill conceived theories in photoshop, back handing the artist that get paid to do what they do.
Guide to what many people would like to have, and its their job to find a way to please both sides.
It's their job to make a great game, as is the job of all game developers. It's not their job to please everyone. Any game designer will tell you that, and Blizzard has said it themselves.
I want contrast, but what i see in the game isnt really a good contrast and im %100 sure that there are a lot of people who would like to agree with me here.
And there's a lot of people who don't.
What's your point?
Great colors and dark themes is great but they have a lot of work to do to absolutely reach that. NOT my opinion, there are others etc. etc. (I think i have to add that after every paragraph to make some people understand better.)
It is your opinion, and the opinion of others. Just because the masses have the same opinion doesn't make the opinion fact.
Those pauldrons dont look badass at all. And there are others who think like me, you know.
So? There's others that do think they look cool, such as myself and others on this very forum.
You seem to be stuck in a heard mentality. That if everyone in your group believes what they say is true then it must be true! Thankfully the world doesn't work like that. Perhaps you should try thinking out of the box, and thinking for yourself for a change.
Wow. It's a waste of time and energy arguing with someone who's already made up their mind.
And I don't mean offense, but Kenzai, I think it is you who misunderstood me over and over and that's why you kept thinking I didn't understand you. I'm not saying this as some kind of come back. I feel that it's what was really happening.
I said I was done earlier and I didn't stick to it. This time no more lies - I'm done. Blizz made the right choice in my opinion with the art direction. I like the gameplay video and I can't wait for the next evolution of the Diablo series.
1) Check the old posts with an objective wiev, then tell me whos being an ass.
You.
2) Wow your actually being more of an ass if you look at those words. Whining? LOL
So...you do have experience in game design and know what's practical when things are put in motion, rendered in 3D? You're a full fledged artist that knows what art will work in a game, and not just some kid with a cracked copy of photoshop thinking he knows what's best?
3) Sure the game has to please as many people as possible, and the old fans are one of the important parts. There are even senior members around here who think the game needs improvement in several aspects.
Again, you can't please everyone. Just because senior members here aren't happy with it doesn't mean anything really. It means...senior members aren't happy with it. Nothing more, nothing less.
4) So the game is made to please half of the fans or what? Theres a way to please both sides.
No there's not. It seems most of those unhappy with the game are unhappy regardless of what's said by Blizzard in an attempt to calm the Diablo Fanboy Defense Force.
5) Not MY opinion. Yeah, not fact either, but well mass opinion. Cant be overseen.
...mass opinion is still opinion.
But, again, mass opinion doesn't equal fact. Take a look at the various religions around the world for further proof.
6) Again, whos being an ass? The pauldrons in Diablo II (just a damn example) are kickass AND realistic. Why change it to this?
Because it's your opinion they look fine, and they shouldn't fix what isn't broken. Other people think otherwise.
Creepsville's apprentice... :rolleyes:
I don't even know any of the members here so that's a bit...moot. My line in regards to that was more in a joking manner anyway.
Oh, and welcome to the forum.
And what a welcome you've given.
Whats actually everyone problem with making improvements in the game like better lighting, models, animations etc.?
Yeah as I said once - D3 looks perfect. Don't think there's any place for improvement. If there was, I'm sure that every random forum user is a bigger expert than Blizzard's art team. I mean it's just natural, right?
Doppelganger you pretty much single handily just dismissed all of what Blizzard is trying to throw at us fans.
I really hope someone from Blizzard reads that and gets it through their head that by ignoring the fans, trying to take control of a game that really we fans make, and trying to say that they know best ( Which I am not saying we know best, but what the hell we are the consumer...) is wrong. Yes they are the creators of the game and they do great jobs, but to ignore us fans and down right slap us down without even seeming to try to compromise...just plain stupid. They will lose more and more customers with bad service like this and honestly they really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass with this one and this game better be the best game to come out for a LONG time, and if its not its all gonna fall down to this topic...the thread and day that Blizzard fought the fans on who knows whats best about the game that the consumers buy.
Before I get jumped..just gotta say, I believe Blizzard will make a fine game, im sure it will get better as it progresses and most stuff we are having problems with will get fixed. I want to see some proof tho that all these things they are stating will not do actually wont do. We have made pictures that prove that it looks better by most eyes so why cant they oh mighty blizzard bring some proof to the table when we lowly consumers can at any given moment?
if you guys are truly disappointed, which I doubt as you are so bent on talking 24/7 about the game (maybe you just don't have anything else to do, l2betatester), don't buy the game
complaining doesn't do anything, but not selling as much as they projected does
so by all means, when 09 comes around, don't buy diablo 3
the game will be all the better if you don't
blizzard makes millions a month from a game said to be "cartoony" and "boring"
taking your advice would be going against what they know
oh and if you do buy the game, you are hypocrites, because you are then accepting that art direction has NOTHING to do with how good a game is
Originally Posted by shelledfade LOL. This guy is FUCKING CLUELESS. I liked the green fields of act 1. And ALLL of act 2. Because it looked fucking realistic~!!. This guy is a DICKWEED.
Seriously, did he even read the fucking petition. I DONT THINK HE DID. Diablo did not look like a fucking cartoon with rainbows. TELL ME WHERE THERE WAS 4 RAINBOWS in ONE place in act 1 or 2 with cartoony fucking style art? What a asshole. Like seriously buddy, get a FUCKING clue. Color is good, Just not when you go overboard into the land of fucking Barney with your cartoon-shit textures and paintings and insanely large blue/green TINT that eats your screen alive. If that guy was standing infront of me i'd fuckin deck him. Act 2 was one of my favorite acts, and it was probably the brightest. So why am i pissed off to the point of breaking my monitor? Because this is BULLSHIT. Thier god damn WoW art style SUCKS with how much color they put into it. If it was more realistic looking, and i dont mean high pixelated graphics i mean pure art style, then i dont even think half the petition would have signed the damn thing in the first place!~ THIS is what happens when you bring someone that has a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ART STYLE AKA Lead artist designers from WoW that is CARTOONY, into art styling a fucking realistic game that IS DIABLO. The only possible way I can calm down right now is either breaking my monitor, or throwing in another 5 year old tantrum. So here it is, fuck you big time blizzard. Go fuck yourselves.
This is what this asshole says. And what's so bad about drawing some comparisons to the hugely-successful WoW, anyway? "We definitely learn from all our games," said Wilson. "We don't say, 'oh, we don't want to do anything those games did' — it's all Blizzard, we're all a family. WoW pulled stuff from Diablo II... if we think it's a smart choice, we try to pull stuff from them. We don't really worry about whether it's different. What matters is, does it make the gameplay better? That always wins." THAT IS A QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE
So let me say this mother fucker. You pulled stuff from Diablo 2, and did the game look or feel like diablo 2?!?!?!? HELL NO DUMBASS. You practically PULLED WoW OUT of its realm and SHOVED it up diablo 3's ASS. Seriously this guys statements are going to make me not BUY another fucking blizzard game ever again.
"Diablo can do a lot of things WoW can't even do," Kaplan said. "We can't do the level of violence that they can do in Diablo III; we would lose our rating if we do the things that Diablo III does. They have a much darker vibe."
Rofl. so your saying if you take the violence out, then it would be WoW. What a jackass. Man fuck you and your dog.
"If we're actually making the game worse with no other reason than to be different from WoW, then it's a bad choice. We don't think, when people play, that they'll have any problem telling that it's a different game."
YOU JUST FUCKING MADE THE diablo franchise 10 fucking TIMES worse by not making it different from WoW!!!! Not only did you make diablo 3 SUCK ass now you greedy piece of shit. But you just totally fucked your company up the ass aswell, anyone who isnt a total dumbass can see there only in it to make money nowdays off of anything WoW related instead of making GREAT games like they used to, WHICH WERE DIFFERENT AND REFRESHING FROM EACHOTHER!! WoW COMPLETELY changed blizzard. SCrew this shit. I AM DONE WITH BLIZZARD.
if you guys are truly disappointed, which I doubt as you are so bent on talking 24/7 about the game (maybe you just don't have anything else to do, l2betatester), don't buy the game
complaining doesn't do anything, but not selling as much as they projected does
so by all means, when 09 comes around, don't buy diablo 3
the game will be all the better if you don't
blizzard makes millions a month from a game said to be "cartoony" and "boring"
taking your advice would be going against what they know
oh and if you do buy the game, you are hypocrites, because you are then accepting that art direction has NOTHING to do with how good a game is
First of all well said dopple, hope someone does point one of these blizzard idiots towards your post, you practically owned everything he said.
Also to the quoted statement., that cartoony game which is called wow look at its community its mostly based apon young idiots ranging from the ages 12-18, heck ive come across 9 year olds playing the bloody thing and the damn game is repetitive and boring so now ive stoped and ant touched it in a year, and also it is much harder to create an mmo in 3d rendered graphics than it is an rpg, diablo is a dark game it was never made to be cartoony i bet bill rouper spews his guts out every time he see's new shots and clips of D3.
Yeah right we people throwing our 2 cents of dissent are all clueless, our opinion doesn't count, we should just shut-up and eat the tripe we are served from the bovine cafe, 50,000 protests don't mean jack despite the fact it hit the news and Blizzard felt the need to at least address the displeasure. Trying to appeal to to Blizzard is pointless, we're hypocrites if we buy it, we're sour grapes if we don't. We all need to move on, shove off, drop dead, or go make our own game.
I'll bet you'd squeal loud if your favorite game lost it's roots, its always easier to throw stones when you don't care or are for the changes. What you have here are a bunch of us who really want to believe the game will rock and we keep coming back hoping the next sneak peak will be more in line with what we have come to expect but have been terribly disappointed so far. Have you ever witnessed something you like turn into a shadow of it's former glory?
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sooo many kids
you should lock every news item that has the word art in it
All im saying lol
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/08/04/diablo-iii-designer-turns-tables/
Again, sorry if this is old news or posted in the wrong place.
Signature and avatar courtesy of Indestructible.
That's a little different from zombies in a field. Isn't it? See what you do every time? You go from one dramatic to another in order to make a point. The problem is your point always ends up being shallow because it relies on exaggeration in order for it to have validity.
Totally disagree as you wanting a better game is based upon you wanting it your way.
Most people are whining and want it their way or the way their personally percieve D2 and they hate change. Do you think you could be happy with D3 if it has a contrast of beauty and darkness? If it has nice colors but dark themes? Are you going to be able to handle big shoulder pads that make your character look bad ass? Or are you going to question and over analyze and obsess mindlessly over the false notion that realism gives a game more emersion?
Welcome and nice post. People should read that article and come back here and tell us again why the game needs more grays and browns.
hey no fair i was gonna post this link lol.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/diablo-fan-05.jpg
The darker version looks shit loads better, but i still cant help but be annoyed at the pastel like background and the cartoony look of the enemies.:mad:
So his explanations were great. Dead on. However now the assclowns who made the screenshots got attention and know that Blizz saw their work. So now we may see even more shots as people will want Blizz to see their crappy version of Diablo too.
I told most of you guys that your ideas would actually mess the game up and now we have Blizz confirming that. Ouchies.
Generally I don't really care for the photoshop versions since they would probably get boring after awhile and at times make it difficult to see enemies and other players. I'm plenty happy with the direction blizzard has gone.
That being said, I do actually like how this photoshopped screenshot turned out:
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/diablo-fan-06.jpg
Signature and avatar courtesy of Indestructible.
Stop trying to tell me that I don't understand you. I understand you fine. I simply understand things from a different perspective than "D2 had different shoulder pads in it!" I understand what you are asking for is silly to most people. I understand that you constantly use hyperbole to make your points and it gets you nowhere. That's what I've been trying to tell you for about 58 posts now.
No it isn't. it's their job to make the best game they can by their standards - not yours.
You constantly appeal to the masses of petitioners. Well, there are even more people who disagree with you - including Blizzard. So,...where does that get us?
^^^ OPINIONS. Not a real argument to speak of.
By not being a condescending ass.
Since when did debating include being an ass to people? What the hell ever happened to a civil debate? Hell, atleast Luck even had more respect.
The problem when ignorant people try to "guide" others on how to do their job is that nothing is practical. You're "guidance" comes off as mindless rants and whining.
There's a reason others are game designers and you're not. It's because they know what's practical and what works. While you just create ill conceived theories in photoshop, back handing the artist that get paid to do what they do.
It's their job to make a great game, as is the job of all game developers. It's not their job to please everyone. Any game designer will tell you that, and Blizzard has said it themselves.
And there's a lot of people who don't.
What's your point?
It is your opinion, and the opinion of others. Just because the masses have the same opinion doesn't make the opinion fact.
So? There's others that do think they look cool, such as myself and others on this very forum.
You seem to be stuck in a heard mentality. That if everyone in your group believes what they say is true then it must be true! Thankfully the world doesn't work like that. Perhaps you should try thinking out of the box, and thinking for yourself for a change.
You're like Luck's apprentice...only a bad one.
And I don't mean offense, but Kenzai, I think it is you who misunderstood me over and over and that's why you kept thinking I didn't understand you. I'm not saying this as some kind of come back. I feel that it's what was really happening.
I said I was done earlier and I didn't stick to it. This time no more lies - I'm done. Blizz made the right choice in my opinion with the art direction. I like the gameplay video and I can't wait for the next evolution of the Diablo series.
You.
So...you do have experience in game design and know what's practical when things are put in motion, rendered in 3D? You're a full fledged artist that knows what art will work in a game, and not just some kid with a cracked copy of photoshop thinking he knows what's best?
Again, you can't please everyone. Just because senior members here aren't happy with it doesn't mean anything really. It means...senior members aren't happy with it. Nothing more, nothing less.
No there's not. It seems most of those unhappy with the game are unhappy regardless of what's said by Blizzard in an attempt to calm the Diablo Fanboy Defense Force.
...mass opinion is still opinion.
But, again, mass opinion doesn't equal fact. Take a look at the various religions around the world for further proof.
Because it's your opinion they look fine, and they shouldn't fix what isn't broken. Other people think otherwise.
I don't even know any of the members here so that's a bit...moot. My line in regards to that was more in a joking manner anyway.
And what a welcome you've given.
Because "better" is subjective.
Bliz
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Doppelganger you pretty much single handily just dismissed all of what Blizzard is trying to throw at us fans.
I really hope someone from Blizzard reads that and gets it through their head that by ignoring the fans, trying to take control of a game that really we fans make, and trying to say that they know best ( Which I am not saying we know best, but what the hell we are the consumer...) is wrong. Yes they are the creators of the game and they do great jobs, but to ignore us fans and down right slap us down without even seeming to try to compromise...just plain stupid. They will lose more and more customers with bad service like this and honestly they really need to pull a rabbit out of their ass with this one and this game better be the best game to come out for a LONG time, and if its not its all gonna fall down to this topic...the thread and day that Blizzard fought the fans on who knows whats best about the game that the consumers buy.
Before I get jumped..just gotta say, I believe Blizzard will make a fine game, im sure it will get better as it progresses and most stuff we are having problems with will get fixed. I want to see some proof tho that all these things they are stating will not do actually wont do. We have made pictures that prove that it looks better by most eyes so why cant they oh mighty blizzard bring some proof to the table when we lowly consumers can at any given moment?
if you guys are truly disappointed, which I doubt as you are so bent on talking 24/7 about the game (maybe you just don't have anything else to do, l2betatester), don't buy the game
complaining doesn't do anything, but not selling as much as they projected does
so by all means, when 09 comes around, don't buy diablo 3
the game will be all the better if you don't
blizzard makes millions a month from a game said to be "cartoony" and "boring"
taking your advice would be going against what they know
oh and if you do buy the game, you are hypocrites, because you are then accepting that art direction has NOTHING to do with how good a game is
Dude.. You need to get laid...
Besides, who says he has a dog? :cool:
First of all well said dopple, hope someone does point one of these blizzard idiots towards your post, you practically owned everything he said.
Also to the quoted statement., that cartoony game which is called wow look at its community its mostly based apon young idiots ranging from the ages 12-18, heck ive come across 9 year olds playing the bloody thing and the damn game is repetitive and boring so now ive stoped and ant touched it in a year, and also it is much harder to create an mmo in 3d rendered graphics than it is an rpg, diablo is a dark game it was never made to be cartoony i bet bill rouper spews his guts out every time he see's new shots and clips of D3.
I'll bet you'd squeal loud if your favorite game lost it's roots, its always easier to throw stones when you don't care or are for the changes. What you have here are a bunch of us who really want to believe the game will rock and we keep coming back hoping the next sneak peak will be more in line with what we have come to expect but have been terribly disappointed so far. Have you ever witnessed something you like turn into a shadow of it's former glory?