Ok, well I had to recreate my account because of Curse, but oh well. Anyway. The point of this is an attempt to reconcile all the books and previous game lore with what has been retconed.
I understand already the basic answer is that the Sin War Trilogy is considered cannon and the rest of the books not so much. But what I am having issue with is more along the lines of if the books happened after the sin war. Such as Demonsbane and Kingdom of Shadow basically as I really enjoyed those. Did they just occur after the sin war and are mistakenly related to the sin war? I know KOS didn't really take place during the sin war, but it refers to it a lot.
There is of course all the stuff in D1 referring to what was the Sin war and the limited lore in D2 that refers to stuff relating to the sin war.
Also, the other thing I am sticking on I guess is the Pandemonium fortress in D2. It presents humanity as allied with Heaven, but you don't really get that impression with the way most people discusss/interpret the roles of Heaven/Humans/Burning Hells.
Anyway, I know all or most of this has been discussed before, just the recent flood of info has got the juices going again.
Such as Demonsbane and Kingdom of Shadow basically as I really enjoyed those. Did they just occur after the sin war and are mistakenly related to the sin war? I know KOS didn't really take place during the sin war, but it refers to it a lot.
The Sin Wars do not include just the books named after them, it also includes the coming of the Great Conflict to Sanctuary.
Actually that part may have been retconned. From the prologue to Birthright:
And, of all those most terribly ignorant of Sanctuary’s awful destiny, Uldyssian ul-Diomed—Uldyssian, son of Diomedes—could be said to have been the most blind. Blind, though he would be himself at the center of what scholars of the world’s secret history would come to call the Sin War.
It was not a war in the sense of men-at-arms—though there were those, too—but rather a trying, a testing and taking, of souls. A war that would forever eradicate the innocence of Sanctuary and those inhabiting it, changing all, even those not aware.
A war that was both won…and lost…
It clearly puts Uldyssian at the center and says it removed Sanctuary's innocence, which seems to be a clear reference to Sanctuary's direct contact and intertwining fate with Heaven and Hell. Plus it says it was both won and lost, i.e had a beginning and end. It certainly seems to be limited to these isolated events in the books.
That of course doesn't remove any of the other lore present in D1 and D2, it merely renames them under another umbrella term like the Great Conflict while the Sin War has become a name for the first conflict relating to Sanctuary.
Also, the other thing I am sticking on I guess is the Pandemonium fortress in D2. It presents humanity as allied with Heaven, but you don't really get that impression with the way most people discusss/interpret the roles of Heaven/Humans/Burning Hells.
Like Doomscream said, there have always been humans who did choose sides, and the Pandemonium Fortress is likely inhabited by those who joined with Heaven.
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I understand already the basic answer is that the Sin War Trilogy is considered cannon and the rest of the books not so much. But what I am having issue with is more along the lines of if the books happened after the sin war. Such as Demonsbane and Kingdom of Shadow basically as I really enjoyed those. Did they just occur after the sin war and are mistakenly related to the sin war? I know KOS didn't really take place during the sin war, but it refers to it a lot.
There is of course all the stuff in D1 referring to what was the Sin war and the limited lore in D2 that refers to stuff relating to the sin war.
Also, the other thing I am sticking on I guess is the Pandemonium fortress in D2. It presents humanity as allied with Heaven, but you don't really get that impression with the way most people discusss/interpret the roles of Heaven/Humans/Burning Hells.
Anyway, I know all or most of this has been discussed before, just the recent flood of info has got the juices going again.
Actually that part may have been retconned. From the prologue to Birthright:
It clearly puts Uldyssian at the center and says it removed Sanctuary's innocence, which seems to be a clear reference to Sanctuary's direct contact and intertwining fate with Heaven and Hell. Plus it says it was both won and lost, i.e had a beginning and end. It certainly seems to be limited to these isolated events in the books.
That of course doesn't remove any of the other lore present in D1 and D2, it merely renames them under another umbrella term like the Great Conflict while the Sin War has become a name for the first conflict relating to Sanctuary.
Like Doomscream said, there have always been humans who did choose sides, and the Pandemonium Fortress is likely inhabited by those who joined with Heaven.
Not that I can recall, but it probably still has. Almost everything has at this point