Diablo3; Its should be the resurection of Baal and some lesser evils. Not Cain..he has no characteristics of being evil. Plus we need him to identify our Items...I think maybe it should be one of the evils from the original Diablo...Bringing something old would be cool!!!! I think it will tie things up good!!! I wish Diablo would be a movie...Doom Was I dont see why Diablo shouldn't. Horror mixed with fantasy how cool is that!!!!
Those who want to skip my reason of dissing these out for being the "Evil behind it all" I belive it should be Lazuarus back from the dead.
First off tyrael shouldn't be consider the evil, He cast out of heaven for being invole with humans so why the hell would he turn against us? *Der he was mind control or some shit* Now..read the sin war in diablo one how the demons where going crazy to take control after the three bothers were gone, I belive that the three bothers should be off the game... expect Diablo himself. Let him be greedy and want full control of hell, heaven, and earth, and not return his brother. As far as the evil one, let it be one of diablo most diabolic minions, why not lazuarus back from the pits of hell. As for cain being behind it all. What the hell he only been the main helper in boths diablo. Now all of the sudden he turns? Thats stupid but not as stupid as diablo mother?? My god, I mean guys c'mon lets take it serious. Wirt... I like the idea of him coming back. Like he has sold his soul to diablo to have his leg back. Have him be train into one of those Knights from diablo one. Thats just some thoughts..
I have a feeling that Tyreal may have a strong sense of resentment for having been cast out of Heaven. It sounds to much like a fallen angel gone bad. But, it is a possibility.
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I have a feeling that Tyreal may have a strong sense of resentment for having been cast out of Heaven. It sounds to much like a fallen angel gone bad. But, it is a possibility.
I sensed Tyrael pitied his brethren more than resented them. The High Heavens had only a single model for perspective that prevented any real innovative solution to ending the stalemate in their favor.
As the potential that rested in mortals became increasingly apparent, Tyrael was confounded by his collegues shortsightedness, and perhaps after feeling frustration, began just to feel sorry for them that they could become so out of touch. I think it was because the High Heavens operated on an infinite timeline that they were incapable of viewing mortals, who live and die, as any kind of possible playing card against the Burning Hells.
However, Tyrael (in my opinion), thought of this finite existence among mortals to be their unique attribute that gave them special properties of innovation and thought. They were a seed of potential, true. But a seed nonetheles that should not be taken lightly.
Now the Burning Hells were like Tyrael in that they also recognized mortals' potential. Only their methods in how to utilize this potential was far different than Tyrael's. They wished to subdue and control their unique properties for themselves.
Besides being out of touch with the affairs of mortal's, it is also possible that High Heavens do indeed recognize the potential of mortal's, but choose to ignore it and not nurture it because they fear mortals rising one day to become a poweful third contender in the battle for the fate of all creation. Yet at the same time, their tenets of non-interference remain an overriding factor to why they would also not destroy this potential threat. And it's for this reason that just as Cain says, "...the motives of Heaven are unfathomable." How can we know what drives them? How do they view mortals, really? While it's obvious that the Burning Hells wish either to consume or destroy mortals, perhaps the High Heavens do have a plan for mortals but it is more calculated and contingency-based. And when Tyrael began inteferring the way he did, it was almost as if they wanted to assure him they had a plan for the mortals, but couldn't tell him what it was cause they feared he would disagree on some level and defect. And defected he did, but perhaps they managed to salvage their grand plan by still keeping it from Tyrael, lest Tyrael might have aided us differently than he did; changing the possible outcome even on a greater scale than the mere destruction of the Worldstone.
Archimonde. Case closed. [EDIT] Not Archimonde, Archimonde's just a draenei that joined the burning legion, as an Eredar.
Archimonde's dead. And he was never a Dranei. All dranei used to be Eredar who chose not to consider themselves by such a name after a self-inflicted calamity befell there race. In other words, Archimonde was only ever, and still is, an Eredar.
So, by what you mean, Sargeras, the corrupted titan who's goal is to end all of existence, is the one 'behind it all'?
Seems plausible. The world of Diablo (don't know the name... I haven't actually played much of the game guys, sorry), may be simply another planet in the vast expanse of the 'great dark beyond' (AKA: space), along with Azeroth, Draenor, and Argus. Depends how many fans they'd anger by connecting the two universes, though. Don't know what they'd do with the ratings, either (though, I imagine Sargeras in a 'Teen' rated game, combined with the fact that he's THAT much of an evil bastard, doesn't seem right... personally, I'd go with 'mature' myself).
As for Tyrael, even if he happens to be a bad guy, he'll just be another bad guy. Simply some guy (or in this case, angel) who vies for power, and can now get his hands on conquoring a world when all the demons can't interfere.
So if the man behind it all isn't Sargeras, then it's probably some greater entity or 'secret sect' of leadership in hell. It makes sense too, considering a leader in secret has always been seen as a more cunning dictator, without anyone knowing that he leads... and that no one can rebel or assasinate him in this sense. As for the name of such a leader, it'd probably be some other lord like the 'lord of corruption', 'lord of insanity', 'lord of undoing', or perhaps the 'lord of homicidal tendencies'. Either that, or it'd be Satan/Lucifer/that evil egyptian god with the black fox head, or some other religious antagonist... which'd get religions mad, but would feel all the more like your 'attacking the root of all evil', or the 'first commiter of evil'.
Another idea would be something like the 'hell ringleader' or the 'lord of the nathrezim' considering the nathrezim were the one's led to Sargeras going insane to begin with. Then again, most likely warcraft won't be connected with the diablo universe, so it might be the mightiest member of the most evil race that were inherintally evil, and led to the spread of evil to other races, creating demons.
Ok, now I'm rambling guys. I'm sorry. That's all I have to say, I know it aint too too much.
but cain is a horradraim mage and they can live longer then normal i think, and their really smart.
This reply was really intellegent. The soul purpose of the Horadraim mage is to protect humanity from the soul stones that contained the essence of the primal evils. lol. Cain cannot be the evil one. Although...Tyreal sworn to protect cain as he is the last of the mages. Tyreal defied heaven's wishes from impeeding with the mortal realm. So if cain is evil...then tyreal is evil.
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I think it's somebody else like we don't know whether diablo will be in this game or not and wirt was also in diablo so if he was after all the evil then when he was dead who did it buit tyrael could be the person cause his man izual also was evil so why not him. But cain could not be the person cause he is our best friend in the whole series.
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All four are poor choices, really. And it almost doesn't make sense. Who is behind the evil? Behind what evil? Evil evil? Or some particular kind of evil? Or the evil that is behind the plot device of the Diablo 3 game?
Ummmm... crane your sig is big and annoying you SHOULD change it if you want an advice of a friend.
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it wasn't their mom.... it was their father! it could be..
i thought Cain helped first seal diablo long ago, making him like 500 years old; his full name is Jared Cain or something.
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----------------------- "What man, anywhere under Heaven's high arch, has fought in such darkness, endured more misery or been harder pressed?" -Beowulf
When the three were sealed off, Tal Rasha was the container for Baal, the Lord of Destruction, the Warrior Hero in Diablo I was the body for Diablo, the Lord of Terror; and Sankekur, the new Que-Hegan of the High Council, was the embodiment for Mephisto, the Lord of Hatred.
These three could end up suffering, an old legend said that "anyone slain by a demon would float in space and suffer forever", technically, Diablo had destroyed the Wanderer who was in Diablo I and lodged the soulstone into his forehead after killing Diablo. The Wanderer, like King Leoric, had fought Diablo, but, the powers of Mephisto destroyed what little bit of Wanderer was left of him when Diablo was performing the summoning ritual with the Baal consumed Tal-Rasha and Mephisto and Diablo transformed into his original true form. The same is for the Tal-Rasha consumed Baal, the observations recorded on King Leoric on how he became insane from Diablo could have caused Tal-Rasha to go insane with rage while battling Baal for all those years mummified. His hatred and the fact he was consumed by Baal could draw out his old self was technically destroyed, and by the time Baal was killed by the hero in Diablo II, he had already mutilated the mummified Tal-Rasha into his original looks, just like Mephisto had done with Sankekur and Diablo with the Wanderer.
Judging from my observations, Tal-Rasha, the hero from Diablo I; the Wanderer, and Sankekur (he was destroyed first and foremost, probably the worst way) could come back as demonic spirits (whether or not possessed by Diablo, Baal, and Mephisto or not).
It also turns out Mephisto had two children, Lilith and Lucion (which would make Mephisto the Grampy of Andariel! How cute.) These two could be possible antagonists in Diablo III (if it comes out) along with, obviously, Belial and Azmodon.
Guilt and things of that sort had also drove Nihlathak to insanity, his guilt of not dying with the other elders, which drove him to giving the Relic of the Ancients to Baal, who in turn used it to get past the Arcients on the Arreat Summit unchallenged and into the Worldstone. Perhaps people like Nihlathak who were tortured by guilt and other things could arise.
Ultimately, there is nothing we can do about it, we just have to wait to see if the WoW crazed Blizzard decides to lick another flavor of popsicles (metaphorically speaking).
I believe Heaven does not care MUCH about the Mortal Realm, but, if Hell is going to manifest it, it needs to interfere. The Mortal Realm is the main source of power, mortals are more powerful than either side imagines, if one side can take control, then that side has control. The Archangel Tyrael realized this and decided to help the mortals to stop the Prime Evils.
Tyrael is a good, but, rather defiant Angel. I doubt he would have anything to do with it.
Also, as Cain as the evil doer, he's a old decripit man wearing adult diapers identifying peoples items. What could HE do? He even states himself he led a scholarly life and not one of sorcerey.
I anticipate if Wirt comes back he'll take his peg-leg back from the cows and beat the Prime Evils into submission with it and take over hell, only to be challenged by Chuck Norris and creating The Ultimate Showdown 2. :rolleyes:
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I anticipate if Wirt comes back he'll take his peg-leg back from the cows and beat the Prime Evils into submission with it and take over hell, only to be challenged by Chuck Norris and creating The Ultimate Showdown 2. :rolleyes:
This whole topic has been interesting. But doesn't anyone think humans are generally evil? Why can't they be "behind all the evil?"
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First off tyrael shouldn't be consider the evil, He cast out of heaven for being invole with humans so why the hell would he turn against us? *Der he was mind control or some shit* Now..read the sin war in diablo one how the demons where going crazy to take control after the three bothers were gone, I belive that the three bothers should be off the game... expect Diablo himself. Let him be greedy and want full control of hell, heaven, and earth, and not return his brother. As far as the evil one, let it be one of diablo most diabolic minions, why not lazuarus back from the pits of hell. As for cain being behind it all. What the hell he only been the main helper in boths diablo. Now all of the sudden he turns? Thats stupid but not as stupid as diablo mother?? My god, I mean guys c'mon lets take it serious. Wirt... I like the idea of him coming back. Like he has sold his soul to diablo to have his leg back. Have him be train into one of those Knights from diablo one. Thats just some thoughts..
D Cain = Diablos Father :D:D:D:D
Just a thought, u never know:D
LOL!! Deckard Cain gone bad..
I sensed Tyrael pitied his brethren more than resented them. The High Heavens had only a single model for perspective that prevented any real innovative solution to ending the stalemate in their favor.
As the potential that rested in mortals became increasingly apparent, Tyrael was confounded by his collegues shortsightedness, and perhaps after feeling frustration, began just to feel sorry for them that they could become so out of touch. I think it was because the High Heavens operated on an infinite timeline that they were incapable of viewing mortals, who live and die, as any kind of possible playing card against the Burning Hells.
However, Tyrael (in my opinion), thought of this finite existence among mortals to be their unique attribute that gave them special properties of innovation and thought. They were a seed of potential, true. But a seed nonetheles that should not be taken lightly.
Now the Burning Hells were like Tyrael in that they also recognized mortals' potential. Only their methods in how to utilize this potential was far different than Tyrael's. They wished to subdue and control their unique properties for themselves.
Besides being out of touch with the affairs of mortal's, it is also possible that High Heavens do indeed recognize the potential of mortal's, but choose to ignore it and not nurture it because they fear mortals rising one day to become a poweful third contender in the battle for the fate of all creation. Yet at the same time, their tenets of non-interference remain an overriding factor to why they would also not destroy this potential threat. And it's for this reason that just as Cain says, "...the motives of Heaven are unfathomable." How can we know what drives them? How do they view mortals, really? While it's obvious that the Burning Hells wish either to consume or destroy mortals, perhaps the High Heavens do have a plan for mortals but it is more calculated and contingency-based. And when Tyrael began inteferring the way he did, it was almost as if they wanted to assure him they had a plan for the mortals, but couldn't tell him what it was cause they feared he would disagree on some level and defect. And defected he did, but perhaps they managed to salvage their grand plan by still keeping it from Tyrael, lest Tyrael might have aided us differently than he did; changing the possible outcome even on a greater scale than the mere destruction of the Worldstone.
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Archimonde's dead. And he was never a Dranei. All dranei used to be Eredar who chose not to consider themselves by such a name after a self-inflicted calamity befell there race. In other words, Archimonde was only ever, and still is, an Eredar.
So, by what you mean, Sargeras, the corrupted titan who's goal is to end all of existence, is the one 'behind it all'?
Seems plausible. The world of Diablo (don't know the name... I haven't actually played much of the game guys, sorry), may be simply another planet in the vast expanse of the 'great dark beyond' (AKA: space), along with Azeroth, Draenor, and Argus. Depends how many fans they'd anger by connecting the two universes, though. Don't know what they'd do with the ratings, either (though, I imagine Sargeras in a 'Teen' rated game, combined with the fact that he's THAT much of an evil bastard, doesn't seem right... personally, I'd go with 'mature' myself).
As for Tyrael, even if he happens to be a bad guy, he'll just be another bad guy. Simply some guy (or in this case, angel) who vies for power, and can now get his hands on conquoring a world when all the demons can't interfere.
So if the man behind it all isn't Sargeras, then it's probably some greater entity or 'secret sect' of leadership in hell. It makes sense too, considering a leader in secret has always been seen as a more cunning dictator, without anyone knowing that he leads... and that no one can rebel or assasinate him in this sense. As for the name of such a leader, it'd probably be some other lord like the 'lord of corruption', 'lord of insanity', 'lord of undoing', or perhaps the 'lord of homicidal tendencies'. Either that, or it'd be Satan/Lucifer/that evil egyptian god with the black fox head, or some other religious antagonist... which'd get religions mad, but would feel all the more like your 'attacking the root of all evil', or the 'first commiter of evil'.
Another idea would be something like the 'hell ringleader' or the 'lord of the nathrezim' considering the nathrezim were the one's led to Sargeras going insane to begin with. Then again, most likely warcraft won't be connected with the diablo universe, so it might be the mightiest member of the most evil race that were inherintally evil, and led to the spread of evil to other races, creating demons.
Ok, now I'm rambling guys. I'm sorry. That's all I have to say, I know it aint too too much.
It was insightful. But it doesn't sound true that a Horadrim lives a really long time. I reckon Cain was just a regular old man's age.
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''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
Siaynoq's Playthroughs
''Zubin, I've always imagined you as a crazy raver. The kinda guy that spends all night dancing to trance music while waving glow sticks and popping ecstasy.'' - Murderface
i thought Cain helped first seal diablo long ago, making him like 500 years old; his full name is Jared Cain or something.
"What man, anywhere under Heaven's high arch, has fought in such darkness, endured more misery or been harder pressed?"
-Beowulf
These three could end up suffering, an old legend said that "anyone slain by a demon would float in space and suffer forever", technically, Diablo had destroyed the Wanderer who was in Diablo I and lodged the soulstone into his forehead after killing Diablo. The Wanderer, like King Leoric, had fought Diablo, but, the powers of Mephisto destroyed what little bit of Wanderer was left of him when Diablo was performing the summoning ritual with the Baal consumed Tal-Rasha and Mephisto and Diablo transformed into his original true form. The same is for the Tal-Rasha consumed Baal, the observations recorded on King Leoric on how he became insane from Diablo could have caused Tal-Rasha to go insane with rage while battling Baal for all those years mummified. His hatred and the fact he was consumed by Baal could draw out his old self was technically destroyed, and by the time Baal was killed by the hero in Diablo II, he had already mutilated the mummified Tal-Rasha into his original looks, just like Mephisto had done with Sankekur and Diablo with the Wanderer.
Judging from my observations, Tal-Rasha, the hero from Diablo I; the Wanderer, and Sankekur (he was destroyed first and foremost, probably the worst way) could come back as demonic spirits (whether or not possessed by Diablo, Baal, and Mephisto or not).
It also turns out Mephisto had two children, Lilith and Lucion (which would make Mephisto the Grampy of Andariel! How cute.) These two could be possible antagonists in Diablo III (if it comes out) along with, obviously, Belial and Azmodon.
Guilt and things of that sort had also drove Nihlathak to insanity, his guilt of not dying with the other elders, which drove him to giving the Relic of the Ancients to Baal, who in turn used it to get past the Arcients on the Arreat Summit unchallenged and into the Worldstone. Perhaps people like Nihlathak who were tortured by guilt and other things could arise.
Ultimately, there is nothing we can do about it, we just have to wait to see if the WoW crazed Blizzard decides to lick another flavor of popsicles (metaphorically speaking).
I believe Heaven does not care MUCH about the Mortal Realm, but, if Hell is going to manifest it, it needs to interfere. The Mortal Realm is the main source of power, mortals are more powerful than either side imagines, if one side can take control, then that side has control. The Archangel Tyrael realized this and decided to help the mortals to stop the Prime Evils.
Tyrael is a good, but, rather defiant Angel. I doubt he would have anything to do with it.
Also, as Cain as the evil doer, he's a old decripit man wearing adult diapers identifying peoples items. What could HE do? He even states himself he led a scholarly life and not one of sorcerey.
I anticipate if Wirt comes back he'll take his peg-leg back from the cows and beat the Prime Evils into submission with it and take over hell, only to be challenged by Chuck Norris and creating The Ultimate Showdown 2. :rolleyes:
~NeciFiX
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and cotton candy
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sounds about right to me