General Government Discussion Thread

  • #161
    He also wants to bring the troops home.

    But many of Ron Paul's ideas are scary as shit.

    I mean, the war on drugs should of been ended a long time ago, and the war of on terror should of been ended after Bush left office, it's common sense. I'm personally not voting for somebody who will cause me to wake up in the middle of the night for the next four years in a cold sweat checking to see if America is gone, or if we are in World War 3, or some other crazy shit, just so we can get out of the middle east and stop harassing civilians for smoking pot.
  • #162

    I'm personally not voting for somebody who will cause me to wake up in the middle of the night for the next four years in a cold sweat checking to see if America is gone, or if we are in World War 3, or some other crazy shit, just so we can get out of the middle east and stop harassing civilians for smoking pot.


    Considering how rabid both parties are, I don't know there is any such candidate who DOESN'T fit those criteria. Bad qualities in a short list:

    1. Libertarians:


    -No safty net of any kind
    -No regulation to keep corporations from becoming the plutocratic dictators we already accuse them of being
    -No foreign policy outside of non-intervention
    -LOLGOLDSTANDARD
    -Many, many, lunatics support this party.
    -Did I mention the lolgoldstandard?

    2. Democrats:


    -Can't tell granny that medicare and social security are going to make the young broke, but don't have the balls to nationalize healthcare.
    -Clearly bent on forging ahead with green energy even though North American fossil fuel reserves are an easy ticket out of the poor house.
    -Can't seem to end wars that republicans start.
    -Won't tell Sharpton and Pelosi to shut up.
    -Obvious Corruption
    -DRONES

    3. Republicans:


    -Haven't had an original idea since Regan was in office and still have a fetish for his drug war
    -Want to hand over healthcare to private companies (retail price for a kidney, inc)
    -Actively seek to denegrate the rights of Gays, Women, non-christians, and people of lower socio-economic status.
    -Are not willing to compromise on taxes and have insane tax reform ideas (see: 999).
    -Fillibuster everything just because they can.
    -Obvious Corruption
    -WAR

    Lesser of evils? I'm having a hard time seeing one. You know shits hitting the fan when the gay liberal progressive can't decide who is worse.
  • #163

    1. Libertarians:


    -No safty net of any kind
    -No regulation to keep corporations from becoming the plutocratic dictators we already accuse them of being
    -No foreign policy outside of non-intervention
    -LOLGOLDSTANDARD
    -Many, many, lunatics support this party.
    -Did I mention the lolgoldstandard?


    I don't agree with everything the libertarians stand for, for example we all know corporations left to their own devices will do what's best for their bottom line and piss on anything that cuts into it just to be more competitive. Anyone who has been in the workforce will eventually see this first hand when they are encouraged to skirt certain restrictions or simply look the other way. I would also argue private property which should be public leads to extortion, the Golden Gate bridge is perfect example of modern day troll bridges where the owning company charges criminal rates just to cross vs. the far less expensive public Oakland Bay bridge.

    However, I would point out our country operated for nearly 200 years quite successfully in a system that more closely resembles the libertarian ideals then what the democrats or republicans have morphed into the abominations they are today. We had no safety net, few regulations, and no foreign policy outside non-intervention. OK granted the world is more complex, we're no longer running out into the woods and shooting dinner, and retirement savings plan is probably a good thing.

    I would however argue that the government and Wall Street should not be able to touch our retirement, but at present they can and do. Most peoples 401/K's are wrapped on mutual funds chasing public companies on the stock market, that's f***ing insane. Social Security is and has been getting robbed for years by the government, by law they take our money and buy into the largest bubble in history, the US T-Bill bond market, and worse yet they take the surplus income and use it to pay for other government expenses. For those who doubt this read point 17 our GAO's own documentation:
    UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM Answers to Key Questions - May 2005
    On Page 17 http://www.gao.gov/n...ms/d05193sp.pdf
    I submit your point on the gold standard is not entirely accurate; for nearly 200 years, spare times of war when the government borrowed to pay for the wartime efforts, the US didn't operate on a gold standard. Gold and silver was money, all currency back then were simply claim checks to redeem for physical gold or silver. Over time the fractional gold standard (which I agree sucks) slowly replaced gold and silver as money. People really misunderstand what function gold and silver actually perform in money, all this Keynesian education is to blame. Money is just an idea and it's not the metal that makes the difference, it's what the metal does that makes the difference.

    • It sets a hard monetary base
    • It restrains the Treasuries printing presses from printing too much currency.
    • It controls interest rates
    • It very simply controls trade imbalances between countries
    • It is difficult to extract from the ground making it rare, it is also not easy to forge
    • It is non corrosive fungible, divisible, and easy to store
    • It is a store of wealth
    • It keeps the corrupt paper manipulators in check better (not perfect but better)
    Just so everyone understands my position here, I'm not a gold bug, if chocolate bunnies could do that, I'd be all for chocolate bunnies. I'm for any solution that accomplishes the above, I just don't know of any other solution right now that does. The Euro is falling apart now and all the kings horses and all the kings men are hopelessly and desperately trying use paper currency trickery to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. This economic entire crisis is a result of the corrupt playing paper manipulation games in an unfettered paper currency environment. If gold were still in our money this crisis could not have ever gotten this far out of whack. For those who argue we can't bring it back, not true, all the Treasury has to do is revalue it to cover every dollar ever printed, it still sits on the FED's books at $35 dollars and ounce despite the street price of around $1800 an ounce. Gold has in fact been revalued through the markets to cover every dollar ever printed twice in the US alone in just the last 100 years. I think we'll see history repeat.
  • #164
    I didn't read through every single post, but ill add in here that Norway already has a system with regulation of how much you earn. Everything from 10% taxes to 50-60% depending on your salary, and you know what? Norway is actually said to be the happiest place to live :)

    People here gain money for free if your sick, and healthcare is free. Basically as long as you work, you earn the right to live a healthy life.

    People here complain about the taxes, but in the end. I would totally agree that the rich should pay a much higher amount of taxes. Whats the point in having millions of dollars alone, really?
  • #165
    I'm SO glad Rick Santorum is concerned about my genitals and what I do with them in the privacy of my home. I mean if laws aren't made to stop me, who knows what I'll do!

    Rick Santorum declares war on pornography: I will ban hardcore porn if I’m elected President

    "America is suffering a pandemic of harm from pornography," the former Pennsylvania senator writes. "It contributes to misogyny and violence against women. It is a contributing factor to prostitution and sex trafficking."

    He demands a crackdown on the distribution of hardcore pornography on the Internet, in addition to material on cable/satellite TV, hotel/motel TV, retail shops and through the mail.

    What qualifies as "hardcore" remains unclear.

    http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1040728
  • #166
    my god rick santorum is a bad catholic, ok porn never really did anything for me ( dont mean it in that way), what i mean is that i never sought for it, my missus on the other hand loves it, shes always sending me weird clips and some crazy shit, she actaully has some porn figures, we keep them hidden

    im catholic and i dont give a shit, banning porn is like banning........hetrosexual love making, the population would drop severely over 10 years, men & women without porn would be raping people on the streets, you would be queueing up at the cinema to buy some tickets & 5 women would come out of no where and rape you

    could you imagine the horror of 5 women abusing you, thats what its gona be like guys, you wont be able to go outside to buy some food without the fear of been taking advantage of

    you could be walking down the street and people pay YOU to sleep with them, you could in you car and women flash you

    people knocking on you door asking to be made love too, in night clubs there would be people just bent over waiting for some fun times



    this has to be the worst post ive ever posted lol
  • #167
    Rick Santorum is possibly one of the biggest idiots I've ever heard of. Right up there with Mitt Romney
    Was it Rick Santorum that said "rape victims shouldn't be allowed abortions, they need to make the best of a bad situation - life is life"
    Also. throwing away all those tax dollars to some other country that allows porn

    Can't believe you guys over there the U.S like... vote for these guys and stuff.

    On a side note. Why is it that U.S candidates and runners always ''declare war'' on shit. I thought by now they'd have learnt to stay away from that style of rhetoric.
    Eventually, we're all worm food. Even the worms.
  • #168
    It's weird because there are things that will most likely never go away; terrorism, unfortunately, will never go away. Poverty, unfortunately, will never go away. Drug use, unfortunately, will never go away.

    These efforts are seemingly futile. We're only putting bandages on weathered scars.

    I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
  • #169

    On a side note. Why is it that U.S candidates and runners always ''declare war'' on shit. I thought by now they'd have learnt to stay away from that style of rhetoric.
    I wish I could explain that. But every president since like the 60's has declared war on something. Whether it be drugs, poverty, terror, etc.

    And yeah Santorum has said some pretty ridiculous stuff. Part of it is because I think he really does believe some of it. The other part though is just him trying to distinguish himself from Romney.
  • #170
    Terrorism is only terrorism if you keep using the word terrorism though... If you stop saying terrorism every damn 5 minutes, people don't feel terrorized =P
  • #171
    Well I think it's hardly just a word at all. It's not a buzzword especially. It's a real thing that really affects people. Sure, a part of it is a state of mind in which you are afraid, but there are real things that actually do happen which cause that fear. And the level of that threat fluctuates even, but we shouldn't pretend terrorism is simply in our minds. Nor should we overestimate the threat of terrorism either.
  • #172
    Paul Ryan sinks Romney campaign.

    News at 11.
  • #173

    Paul Ryan sinks Romney campaign.

    News at 11.


    Paul Ryan is, quite arguably, the worst VP pick anyone could've imagined. Have fun losing Florida, Mitt.

    I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
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    As my students might say: "Shit just got real."

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    who got killed?
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  • #178
    http://www.theatlant...merican/264028/

    On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the 2012 NDAA, codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history. The NDAA’s dangerous detention provisions would authorize the president — and all future presidents — to order the military to pick up and indefinitely imprison people captured anywhere in the world, far from any battlefield. The ACLU will fight worldwide detention authority wherever we can, be it in court, in Congress, or internationally.

    Apparently it is also a license to kill.

    "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
  • #179
    to order the military to pick up and indefinitely imprison people captured anywhere in the world, far from any battlefield.


    gotta catch me first ^.^,

    but yes i heard about this, it's stupid... ahh the joy of being Canadian
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