If you are an individual sharing music files over a campus computer network you may be at risk. It seems as though the Recording Industry Association of America is "cracking down", sending letters to college students who share music files through torrent programs. The letters contain a demand of payment sometimes in excess of $3500. If it the demand is not paid the subject will be slapped with a lawsuit. Over 26,000 college students have been targeted since 2003. This is a disgusting act on the part of RIAA. Targeting college students who, more often than not, are in tight financial situations as it is, and fining them for something that is going unpunished across the world. It's just ridiculous!
That's like saying that duplicating video games and giving them to everyone for free is okay- it isn't, because you're cheating developers out of their money which they use to make more or improve on previous games. Whether the person doing said action believes it's right or wrong or whether they make a profit or not does not change the outcome.
That's like saying that duplicating video games and giving them to everyone for free is okay- it isn't, because you're cheating developers out of their money which they use to make more or improve on previous games. Whether the person doing said action believes it's right or wrong or whether they make a profit or not does not change the outcome.
I know it's not right, but is it illegal?
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It's not the fact that they are fining students that's fucked up. It's how they go about obtaining the information that's messed up.
I can agree with that, but you would probably think it's fucked up if it happened to you.
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Until they can fix it completley why fine people? It's not even technically illegal since nobody makes a profit. It's just sharing.:D
The fact that nobody is making profit is EXACTLY why it is illegal. File sharing is against the law and the government is cracking down on the people who do it the most, college students. If you don't want to pay for $3000 worth of music, then don't own every single song that comes out. Be more selective and the government will leave you alone and go after someone else that has more music.
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The fact that nobody is making profit is EXACTLY why it is illegal. File sharing is against the law and the government is cracking down on the people who do it the most, college students. If you don't want to pay for $3000 worth of music, then don't own every single song that comes out. Be more selective and the government will leave you alone and go after someone else that has more music.
YOUR IN COLLEGE, BE SMART.
For every 1 dollar they lose to they internet they make another 2 off itunes. There are ups and downs to the internet, but I think a lot of companies like to forget the ups and focus on the downs, for their own selfish reasons. So what if I get a song off bittorrent? If it's good enough I might just go out and buy the CD. I really dont see the techncal difference between letting your friend rip your CD on to his computer and sending him a file of it through the net. Just because it's the same concept on a wider scale doesn't mean it should be illegal. It means that companies should adjust their buisiness models to accomodate for a new type of economy. It's as simple as that. The market does't run the people, the people run the market.
Just because something's not illegal doesn't mean you shouldn't do it- if it's clearly not right then it should never happen.
For every 1 dollar they lose to they internet they make another 2 off itunes. There are ups and downs to the internet, but I think a lot of companies like to forget the ups and focus on the downs, for their own selfish reasons.
That's true, major companies do do that because they only like to think of money, but realistically, that's what companies are for- the distribution of money- from customers to the various faculties of the company and also to the employees of the company.
So what if I get a song off bittorrent? If it's good enough I might just go out and buy the CD. I really dont see the techncal difference between letting your friend rip your CD on to his computer and sending him a file of it through the net.
Ripping files that you don't own off of a CD you don't own is actually the same thing.
Just because it's the same concept on a wider scale doesn't mean it should be illegal.
If you cut down one tree to make a fire to warm yourself, is it wrong? Maybe, maybe not- depends what you think is more important at the moment. For instance, if at the moment you are poor and destitute and lost in some forest somewhere without any other source of warmth, then yes, I believe it is justified.
Now for the wide-scale issue: If you cut down every tree in the forest to warm yourself, is that justified? No, I don't think so, because 1) if you have the energy to cut down a whole forest, you could probably run the length of the U.S. 5 times over and get to a hotel somewhere without breaking a sweat and 2) (on a more serious note) all you need is one tree to warm yourself, not a whole forest. Moderation is key.
You just need to use your judgment. If you're getting one song to use on a slideshow for a graduation presentation that you're making no money off of, fine. If you're downloading album after album, you have an issue. Of course, I, myself, would buy it anyway, just because I was raised to give people their due, but I can definitely see the difference between those two scenarios.
It means that companies should adjust their buisiness models to accomodate for a new type of economy. It's as simple as that. The market does't run the people, the people run the market.
Companies cannot adjust their business to a new type of economy if the very definition of their business is what's at stake. The real sufferers of this major problem are musicians- they've adjusted so that they sell their music over iTunes and such, but they cannot adjust their business to work if they aren't getting money from customers- that's how business works, I think.
Just because something's not illegal doesn't mean you shouldn't do it- if it's clearly not right then it should never happen.
[COLOR=SandyBrown]That's true, major companies do do that because they only like to think of money, but realistically, that's what companies are for- the distribution of money- from customers to the various faculties of the company and also to the employees of the company.[/COLOR]
[/color]Ripping files that you don't own off of a CD you don't own is actually the same thing.
[COLOR=SandyBrown]If you cut down one tree to make a fire to warm yourself, is it wrong? Maybe, maybe not- depends what you think is more important at the moment. For instance, if at the moment you are poor and destitute and lost in some forest somewhere without any other source of warmth, then yes, I believe it is justified.
Now for the wide-scale issue: If you cut down every tree in the forest to warm yourself, is that justified? No, I don't think so, because 1) if you have the energy to cut down a whole forest, you could probably run the length of the U.S. 5 times over and get to a hotel somewhere without breaking a sweat and 2) (on a more serious note) all you need is one tree to warm yourself, not a whole forest. Moderation is key.
You just need to use your judgment. If you're getting one song to use on a slideshow for a graduation presentation that you're making no money off of, fine. If you're downloading album after album, you have an issue. Of course, I, myself, would buy it anyway, just because I was raised to give people their due, but I can definitely see the difference between those two scenarios.[/COLOR]
Companies cannot adjust their business to a new type of economy if the very definition of their business is what's at stake. The real sufferers of this major problem are musicians- they've adjusted so that they sell their music over iTunes and such, but they cannot adjust their business to work if they aren't getting money from customers- that's how business works, I think.
[COLOR=Green]I'll tackle this one tomorrow, seeya Magi.[/COLOR]
#1 OMG. When will they understand. Don't do shit on school computers - they are not your computers! They make students read this whole warning about what they are allowed to do on a computer and I guess nobody read it except me.
#2 Fucking forced encryption. If you do want to do something as dangerous as BitTorrent on a college computer at least hide it.
I am not in any way supporting the RIAA, but I think the college students are being pretty dumb themselves. The reason they are targeted is because they have little money - this way they'd at least be afraid of doing it, while adults with jobs may not be as concerned with an extra $3500. It is also much easier to monitor campus computers than personal computers because personal computers you deal with the ISP who is being paid by the person you want to attack; school computers, nothing is going to happen to those connections.
Fining users was always pretty useless. They need to close servers. And I wish them good luck in closing demonoid, which is located in Ukraine... they are digging their own hole. Distribution of software is not going to cease until it makes less sense than buying said software.
#1 OMG. When will they understand. Don't do shit on school computers - they are not your computers! They make students read this whole warning about what they are allowed to do on a computer and I guess nobody read it except me.
#2 Fucking forced encryption. If you do want to do something as dangerous as BitTorrent on a college computer at least hide it.
You're misinterpreting the situation. This isn't taking place on university owned computers, but their networks. It's the people who have their systems in the dorms hooked up to the provided internet that are being charged.
Not @ Equinox:
I've done extensive research into the workings of record labels and the music industry, so unless you are absolutely sure what the fuck you're talking about, don't say anything. For the record, some of you are already wrong.
well, as long as people continue to download files that they don't own, companies are losing money. don't give me the crap that they aren't, cause they are. they might be still raking in a lot of profits, but it isn't complete. imagine if everyone stop downloading music off the internet, how much more money would the music industry make?
Death Cab For Cutie has said that their fans should illegally download their music because the record industry are "Fucking vampires who want to suck every last drop from musicians"
why? because concerts are what make them money, CD sales are what makes the record companies money
illegally dl, support the artists by going to their concerts
We didn't get our own country by buying British tea, no we fucking stole it and dumped it into the habor
illegally dl, support the artists by going to their concerts
That doesn't make illegally obtaining music right, I'd much prefer paying what, 10 dollars, for a CD and knowing I did a guy a few dollars richer for his or her work. But that absolutely makes sense, I feel stupid I hadn't though of that, now, lol.
You're misinterpreting the situation. This isn't taking place on university owned computers, but their networks. It's the people who have their systems in the dorms hooked up to the provided internet that are being charged.
Still, it's university network. E.g., the network cannot be disabled, the college students cannot say to the ISP "you scan our stuff we don't like you".
I am pretty damn sure the uni would not be able to do this without showing the students a big sheet saying their info is the uni's property and forcing them to sign it.
The main point isn't weather illegally downloading the songs is wrong or not, because I think everyone knows the answer whether they want to admit it or not, the point is that people should either be good or be good at it.
if your going to download music, don't do it on a network that is being monitored. Don't download every song that comes out. DON'T GET CAUGHT.
Finally the most important thing is go to concerts to help the musicians that you like.
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They're obviously trying to fix that problem or this wouldn't be happening
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I can agree with that, but you would probably think it's fucked up if it happened to you.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
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The fact that nobody is making profit is EXACTLY why it is illegal. File sharing is against the law and the government is cracking down on the people who do it the most, college students. If you don't want to pay for $3000 worth of music, then don't own every single song that comes out. Be more selective and the government will leave you alone and go after someone else that has more music.
YOUR IN COLLEGE, BE SMART.
- Richard Knaak
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
That's true, major companies do do that because they only like to think of money, but realistically, that's what companies are for- the distribution of money- from customers to the various faculties of the company and also to the employees of the company.
Ripping files that you don't own off of a CD you don't own is actually the same thing.
If you cut down one tree to make a fire to warm yourself, is it wrong? Maybe, maybe not- depends what you think is more important at the moment. For instance, if at the moment you are poor and destitute and lost in some forest somewhere without any other source of warmth, then yes, I believe it is justified.
Now for the wide-scale issue: If you cut down every tree in the forest to warm yourself, is that justified? No, I don't think so, because 1) if you have the energy to cut down a whole forest, you could probably run the length of the U.S. 5 times over and get to a hotel somewhere without breaking a sweat and 2) (on a more serious note) all you need is one tree to warm yourself, not a whole forest. Moderation is key.
You just need to use your judgment. If you're getting one song to use on a slideshow for a graduation presentation that you're making no money off of, fine. If you're downloading album after album, you have an issue. Of course, I, myself, would buy it anyway, just because I was raised to give people their due, but I can definitely see the difference between those two scenarios.
Companies cannot adjust their business to a new type of economy if the very definition of their business is what's at stake. The real sufferers of this major problem are musicians- they've adjusted so that they sell their music over iTunes and such, but they cannot adjust their business to work if they aren't getting money from customers- that's how business works, I think.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
#2 Fucking forced encryption. If you do want to do something as dangerous as BitTorrent on a college computer at least hide it.
I am not in any way supporting the RIAA, but I think the college students are being pretty dumb themselves. The reason they are targeted is because they have little money - this way they'd at least be afraid of doing it, while adults with jobs may not be as concerned with an extra $3500. It is also much easier to monitor campus computers than personal computers because personal computers you deal with the ISP who is being paid by the person you want to attack; school computers, nothing is going to happen to those connections.
Fining users was always pretty useless. They need to close servers. And I wish them good luck in closing demonoid, which is located in Ukraine... they are digging their own hole. Distribution of software is not going to cease until it makes less sense than buying said software.
You're misinterpreting the situation. This isn't taking place on university owned computers, but their networks. It's the people who have their systems in the dorms hooked up to the provided internet that are being charged.
Not @ Equinox:
I've done extensive research into the workings of record labels and the music industry, so unless you are absolutely sure what the fuck you're talking about, don't say anything. For the record, some of you are already wrong.
Vote:
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17929
Death Cab For Cutie has said that their fans should illegally download their music because the record industry are "Fucking vampires who want to suck every last drop from musicians"
why? because concerts are what make them money, CD sales are what makes the record companies money
illegally dl, support the artists by going to their concerts
We didn't get our own country by buying British tea, no we fucking stole it and dumped it into the habor
That doesn't make illegally obtaining music right, I'd much prefer paying what, 10 dollars, for a CD and knowing I did a guy a few dollars richer for his or her work. But that absolutely makes sense, I feel stupid I hadn't though of that, now, lol.
I am pretty damn sure the uni would not be able to do this without showing the students a big sheet saying their info is the uni's property and forcing them to sign it.
if your going to download music, don't do it on a network that is being monitored. Don't download every song that comes out. DON'T GET CAUGHT.
Finally the most important thing is go to concerts to help the musicians that you like.
- Richard Knaak