im gonna buy a 360, but if ever a ff7 remake or continuation came out i would jump up and buy then damn thing. its even hard to find it nowadays, because any ff7 game ps or pc is at least at 50 dollars.
the wii is for people that can only play with their wii. and they say wii while they play. i swear, at first i gave it a ok, before i saw people playing it. how are we supposed to play super smash on it if you are wacking anyone within distance? its absolutely retarded. if ever there was a girly game console, the wii takes the prize.
well, at the moment gaming consoles are used for that primary reason. microsoft offers the minimum and offers upgrade features while ps3 sports little choice between necessities and luxuries. i just cant go get the gaming parts and networking like in 360, you need to buy the blue-ray disk the speakers and the other stuff that comes with it.
eh im a fan of microsoft so my vote goes to the xbox 360. As for the ps3, to expensive, and if u look at the hardware the 360 has more capabilities for better graphics.
eh im a fan of microsoft so my vote goes to the xbox 360. As for the ps3, to expensive, and if u look at the hardware the 360 has more capabilities for better graphics.
No, it doesn't. The only reason 360 may have for better graphics is that the PS3 isn't fully utilized by the developers yet.
And why oh why is the price so relevant. Really, if you want HD for the Xbox you pay the same price as for the PS3 which already comes with blu ray.
No, what I do believe to be the biggest dent for Sony is Xbox Live. That works much better for Microsoft, but I hope Sony fixes their system.
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yea, the ps3 out muscles the 360. the problem there though is that games wont be able to take full advantage of that raw power for a bit more though. so it doesnt really do anything for the ps3 that it is more powerful. its like being more muscular in an online contest. maybe someday itll come in handy but til now it's not necessary.
again, microsoft has the ability to start accelerating way ahead of the ps3, because sony took too much time developing and even had to postpone the release date for a whole year. yea they added more stuff but many people quenched their thirst a year ago with a 360.
funny, because microsoft is waging war on all sides: operating systems with linux and apple, console gaming with sony and nintendo, pc gaming with all the pc game makers, mp3 players with apple again, and pretty soon the cell phone war with apple.
this is funny because microsoft is waging a war on all sides, and doing pretty good at all of them. mp3 sales are picking up for them, everyone who hates ipods and apple embrace the zune with open arms. back to the topic though, i think that microsoft might very well be the one who beats the competition.
microsoft=embodiment of us capitalism and success. (a little bit exagerated, but to a certain point its true)
Successfully against Apple? They have about 70% of the market, Microsoft has 5%. They have a long way to go with Zune.
im not talking bout the games here, if i could i would buy them all
btw i probably will end up owning them all, but no way am i going to cough up the money there asking for the ps3 now.
I pointed out the games as a reason why it isn't important whether 360 "kicks ass". I'll stil end up with a PS3.
thats just not a valid argument.
they could come up with something new and better every year, that doesnt meen people will change there hole system every year to be able to run the new formats.
ofcourse someday dvd will disappear, thats pretty obvious and thanks for pointing that out for me, but its not gonna be now (talking bout mainstream consumers).
dvd will not die out in a matter of years, i just cant see hddvd or blu-ray taking over dvd before 5 years because it just cant give any major advantages over dvd vs price
Yes, they could come up with something new, and that's wha they did: HD and Blu ray. As to whether people will change their systems. We wil start replacing our systems faster as technology progresses. And as development speeds up the more we develop, we will start to replace our systems faster.
Price will go lower as time goes by, and I do not think it will be long before DVD becomes the new CD.
you have to think about this; they spend years upon years off development and ALLOT of money to blu-ray, in the mean time there bragging there asses off that there system is SO much better then its competitor's.
then it turns out it is nowhere as good as they let us believe it is, plus its very unstable.
i call this a little big slip up;)
So its only fair to give em a bit critique.
I do agree that they carried their launch away badly. But, even so, the system still surpasses the 360.
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if you're going to bring up the ipod vs zune saying that apple has more dominance, well ill also say that microsoft is gaining ground compared to 0 percent in the market before the zune. the mere fact that they are making any impact on apple and the market makes it successful. remember also that microsoft is waging war in other fields, excusing them from focusing too much into the mp3 player war. remember that apple was slowing down on sales before the ipod. ipod in my opinion deserves the largest slice of the pie on the factors that saved apple.
Yeah, the important thing is that you choose the system you like the most because of the games.
Look at me, even today I'm occasionally hammering away on my old faithfl Gameboy Advnce because of one game: Golden Sun. And I can safely say that if there is a sequel to that game on the Wii, I will buy it no matter what.
So, go with the games. (Does that mean this discussion is over? If so, this must be the least bloody debate in a longwhile )
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No, it doesn't. The only reason 360 may have for better graphics is that the PS3 isn't fully utilized by the developers yet.
uhh...no shit sherlock? thats the most idiotic statement i have heard in this argument in a while...the 360 has only been out for a year or so. look back at ps2/xbox games from when they had been out for one year, and compare them to the games from the last few months. want to rethink your implications of the 360 being at its peak?
and thats not to mention that the ps3 really isnt the "powerhouse" it has been made out to be. the superhyped cell processor is a great processor....for home theater or general computing. for gaming, however....lets just suffice to say its not quite so amazing anymore. the ps3 was always meant to be your entire home theater and thats what it was built for...look at the new ps3 they are coming out with (rememberthe psx? think ps3 as one of those at a price currently speculated to be $2500)
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And why oh why is the price so relevant. Really, if you want HD for the Xbox you pay the same price as for the PS3 which already comes with blu ray.
No, what I do believe to be the biggest dent for Sony is Xbox Live. That works much better for Microsoft, but I hope Sony fixes their system.
as for the fact that 360 + hd-dvd is the same price as ps3...the point is that 360 gives you the choice of whether you want to pay for a media format that may or may not fall into nothing in the next 6 months. if i get a hi def tv and hd-dvd becomes the format of the future (which it probably will, since bluray is about to pull a betamax), i can spend 250 bucks and have me a hd-dvd player. however with a ps3, i am forced to buy a bluray player...whether i want it or not. for those of us with money issues (even though im still in high school im already stuck with "ooh, you want that? have fun finding the money for it"), paying for something we arent asking for is a big issue.
who said i was angry? it was idiotic, and i stated that :-p and actually, beyond that i dont even think it was in a hostile tone?
sorry, such blows flow thoughtlessly...the forums im used to have very few users so we all know each other enough to not worry about what people say...i apologize again and ill try to be more careful.
uhh...no shit sherlock? thats the most idiotic statement i have heard in this argument in a while...
You know, there are more polite ways to express yourself.
Anyway. Yes, none of the consoles are fully utilized yet. But, the trick with the PS3 is that it's hardware is so different from earlier experiences the developers have had. So even though the 360 is not top-notch yet, the PS3 is in a worse position, since developers have to figure out how to do things first, before going on to improve graphics.
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yeah, phrozen, sorry about that. different forums have different ways of going about it...i should have stuck with somethin a wee bit more conservative as a rook here
anyway, as for the programming of the consoles....
its not like the 360 is just a regular xbox with some added RAM and an upgraded graphics card. the ps3 and the 360 are both pretty darned advanced, and programmers have a lot of work to do to get really great with either of them. i think the biggest issue will be with how different they are it is going to be VERY difficult to get out multiplatform games, as the games will have to be completely rebuilt to bridge the gap between systems. i personally think that one or the other will start to get more and more companies (especially with games made by smaller companies, as this isnt going to be an issue with, say, EA) that stop making games for whichever system either doesnt sell as well or is harder to program for, or that they as a company dont prefer...and that will be what defines who "wins" this generation.
that went completely off topic....the main point was that both systems are very complex and its probably going to be at least few years before we see either system get anywhere near its peak.
I agree with that, multi-platforming will become increasingly more difficult. And while the 360 is also an increase in technology na construction, it still isn't as great as the Cell processor. The developers have to cpoe with that to,but not to the extent that PS3 developers have to. I got this from an article somewhere (I think it was IGN) when a developer was asked what they thought about building games for the PS3. But it was a long time ago, it's possible factors have changed since then.
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haha, the reason its difficult to program for is because its not a gaming-centric processor. its meant to be a full home theater/pc processor. that is why, despite the cell processor being more powerful than the processor of the 360, it doesnt mean that the ps3 is a superior system. the cell processor just isnt that great for gaming.
edit: alright, i felt kind of stupid repeating myself about the cell being not a great gaming processor with nothing else to back that up so i googled my way to an explanation...albeit one from a forum post, that explains why i say it.
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The Cell CPU starts off with a standard PowerPC core that’s not unlike one of the cores in the Xbox 360. The next step is adding 8 additional SPEs, 6 of which are accessible to the programmer. These SPEs have a limited feature set and essentially are only useful for accelerating mathematical computations.
In a way, Sony’s vision for the Cell was different. Whereas Microsoft had come to the drawing board with a vision for the best gaming CPU, Sony had come to IBM and Toshiba to try to create something different, the fastest and most powerful processor for streaming data. From an engineering standpoint, the Cell processor is impressive, but the Cell is not purpose built for games. Dollar for dollar, the Xenon CPU is going to offer better overall performance
while i cant say that's an expert's summation (although i guess it could be), it puts at least a little bit of meat behind my claiming that the cell processor is overrated for gaming.
True, the fact that Sony didn't build it themselves would have meant that IBM had to get something out of it, and i don't think they're too happy about having a pure gaming processor.
Let's rest this case now and get back to it in another three years
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No. No matter how serious your other hardware it, if your processor fails, everythings falls with it. Even though graphics cards increase performance, all calculations actions still have to pass through your processor.
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while i wont even try to become a part of this portion as i dont really know my stuff, if having the three cards made the processor less important of a piece, why is it that companies are coming out with dual core processors rather than physics cards and ai cards?
i mean, its not money because buying a processor as one piece will be less expensive than buying the gfx/physics/ai cards seperately would.
i guess there could be the thought that a gfx card is intrical for a lot of business programs (design and such), whereas an a.i. card or a physics card would be less commonly useful for those doing business on their computers?
ah, the hell if i know.
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the wii is for people that can only play with their wii. and they say wii while they play. i swear, at first i gave it a ok, before i saw people playing it. how are we supposed to play super smash on it if you are wacking anyone within distance? its absolutely retarded. if ever there was a girly game console, the wii takes the prize.
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And why oh why is the price so relevant. Really, if you want HD for the Xbox you pay the same price as for the PS3 which already comes with blu ray.
No, what I do believe to be the biggest dent for Sony is Xbox Live. That works much better for Microsoft, but I hope Sony fixes their system.
again, microsoft has the ability to start accelerating way ahead of the ps3, because sony took too much time developing and even had to postpone the release date for a whole year. yea they added more stuff but many people quenched their thirst a year ago with a 360.
funny, because microsoft is waging war on all sides: operating systems with linux and apple, console gaming with sony and nintendo, pc gaming with all the pc game makers, mp3 players with apple again, and pretty soon the cell phone war with apple.
this is funny because microsoft is waging a war on all sides, and doing pretty good at all of them. mp3 sales are picking up for them, everyone who hates ipods and apple embrace the zune with open arms. back to the topic though, i think that microsoft might very well be the one who beats the competition.
microsoft=embodiment of us capitalism and success. (a little bit exagerated, but to a certain point its true)
I pointed out the games as a reason why it isn't important whether 360 "kicks ass". I'll stil end up with a PS3.
Yes, they could come up with something new, and that's wha they did: HD and Blu ray. As to whether people will change their systems. We wil start replacing our systems faster as technology progresses. And as development speeds up the more we develop, we will start to replace our systems faster.
Price will go lower as time goes by, and I do not think it will be long before DVD becomes the new CD.
I do agree that they carried their launch away badly. But, even so, the system still surpasses the 360.
Look at me, even today I'm occasionally hammering away on my old faithfl Gameboy Advnce because of one game: Golden Sun. And I can safely say that if there is a sequel to that game on the Wii, I will buy it no matter what.
So, go with the games. (Does that mean this discussion is over? If so, this must be the least bloody debate in a longwhile )
uhh...no shit sherlock? thats the most idiotic statement i have heard in this argument in a while...the 360 has only been out for a year or so. look back at ps2/xbox games from when they had been out for one year, and compare them to the games from the last few months. want to rethink your implications of the 360 being at its peak?
and thats not to mention that the ps3 really isnt the "powerhouse" it has been made out to be. the superhyped cell processor is a great processor....for home theater or general computing. for gaming, however....lets just suffice to say its not quite so amazing anymore. the ps3 was always meant to be your entire home theater and thats what it was built for...look at the new ps3 they are coming out with (rememberthe psx? think ps3 as one of those at a price currently speculated to be $2500)
as for the fact that 360 + hd-dvd is the same price as ps3...the point is that 360 gives you the choice of whether you want to pay for a media format that may or may not fall into nothing in the next 6 months. if i get a hi def tv and hd-dvd becomes the format of the future (which it probably will, since bluray is about to pull a betamax), i can spend 250 bucks and have me a hd-dvd player. however with a ps3, i am forced to buy a bluray player...whether i want it or not. for those of us with money issues (even though im still in high school im already stuck with "ooh, you want that? have fun finding the money for it"), paying for something we arent asking for is a big issue.
sorry, such blows flow thoughtlessly...the forums im used to have very few users so we all know each other enough to not worry about what people say...i apologize again and ill try to be more careful.
Anyway. Yes, none of the consoles are fully utilized yet. But, the trick with the PS3 is that it's hardware is so different from earlier experiences the developers have had. So even though the 360 is not top-notch yet, the PS3 is in a worse position, since developers have to figure out how to do things first, before going on to improve graphics.
Last time I checked Xbox 360 has free online too, you just get a silver account. I should know, I have one. :mad:
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anyway, as for the programming of the consoles....
its not like the 360 is just a regular xbox with some added RAM and an upgraded graphics card. the ps3 and the 360 are both pretty darned advanced, and programmers have a lot of work to do to get really great with either of them. i think the biggest issue will be with how different they are it is going to be VERY difficult to get out multiplatform games, as the games will have to be completely rebuilt to bridge the gap between systems. i personally think that one or the other will start to get more and more companies (especially with games made by smaller companies, as this isnt going to be an issue with, say, EA) that stop making games for whichever system either doesnt sell as well or is harder to program for, or that they as a company dont prefer...and that will be what defines who "wins" this generation.
that went completely off topic....the main point was that both systems are very complex and its probably going to be at least few years before we see either system get anywhere near its peak.
edit: alright, i felt kind of stupid repeating myself about the cell being not a great gaming processor with nothing else to back that up so i googled my way to an explanation...albeit one from a forum post, that explains why i say it.
while i cant say that's an expert's summation (although i guess it could be), it puts at least a little bit of meat behind my claiming that the cell processor is overrated for gaming.
Let's rest this case now and get back to it in another three years
while i wont even try to become a part of this portion as i dont really know my stuff, if having the three cards made the processor less important of a piece, why is it that companies are coming out with dual core processors rather than physics cards and ai cards?
i mean, its not money because buying a processor as one piece will be less expensive than buying the gfx/physics/ai cards seperately would.
i guess there could be the thought that a gfx card is intrical for a lot of business programs (design and such), whereas an a.i. card or a physics card would be less commonly useful for those doing business on their computers?
ah, the hell if i know.