Discussion: The last class is NOT a ranged class

  • #21
    Quote from "Monkage" »
    Jay Wilson confirmed that the next character is a character from one of the previous Diablos.


    Thats not COMPLETELY true. He said:
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    IGN: You did mention that it's being revealed next year, and that it's someone from the previous games?

    Jay Wilson: I did say that. I probably shouldn't have said that, because we're not sure that's going to be the case. It's just logical, that's what we tend to do. But it may or may not. I'm not gonna answer it, anyway?
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    So, we really don't know anything about what the 5th class is going to be as of right now. It COULD be a character from the previous games, and it could not be. Nothing is official yet.


    But ANYWAY.
    Oath, I agree with you for many reasons, most of which you've already covered.
    - Like you said, every class so far has got it's fair share of Melee and Ranged attacks and abilities. The Wizard for example is even a very viable Melee class, as well as a very strong ranged magic class depending upon the build.

    Now, this brings up a lot of questions. "How could they make a fully ranged physical class, when every other class has very good ranged abilities by themselves." Anddd, "If there was going to be a pure ranged ONLY class, what could be special about him that you would only want to use ranged abilities?"

    I think that Blizzard will surprise us and bring a type of Gladiator/Marauder, Swashbuckling, Ranger type class who will be a fully viable Melee as well as Ranged character. Traps, Auras and all that kinda nifty stuff.

    I know everyone is shouting for the Ranger/Archer to be the 5th class, but I've just go to say that I wouldn't count on it.
    But then again. I could be wrong. ;]
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  • #22
    If you read that quote carefully, it doesn't necessarily mean that the returning character is one that we played before.

    It's possible that it might have been an NPC in D2.
  • #23
    Quote from "wtfomgbbq" »
    I don't recall hearing that. From what I remember the Barb is the only returning class in D3.


    Considering the monk is technically a returning character, thats already not the case
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  • #24
    I disagree, they've said that they wont use any obscure classes, it will likely be named archer, ranger, or rogue. It's not going to be a pure class, none of them so far have been. Even the amazon wasn't a pure ranged class. It will probably be a druid type ranger that calls upon nature to vanquish foes or something. The next class might use spears, bows, and xbows like the amazon but have different elemental skills. It's more likely than any other scenario.

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  • #25
    Quote from "vl" »
    Considering the monk is technically a returning character, thats already not the case

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  • #26
    i also think it will be a rogue/druid/zon mix

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  • #27
    I believe most of you to be wrong, heres why:

    1) Barbarian- Pure Melle some long ranged skills But mostly the melee Tank.
    2)Wd Shorter ranged magic attacks with summons
    3)Wiz long and short ranged attacks absolutely no melee
    4)monk pretty much holy sin medium ranged to short not much long range
    5) if you have a pure caster a pure melee a middle caster and a middle melee why is'nt there a highly ranged class with some melee skils.

    For some reason everyone thinks theres this overwhelming balance. THERE IS NOT. the barb cant attack from one side of the screen to the other. He has no range unless you count his spells and even then there are few. Plus the barbs attack comes from his sword not his magic most of the time. The wizard and wd rely on magic to fight and the monk relys on both his wep att for up close fights and magic for his medium ranged skills. The only other choice is a dominant I repeat DOMINANT ranged class. the reason i say dominant is this. The barb is dominant in melee not in ranged class theres not really a balance if you think of it. yes he can go from long to short range if he wants to but he doesnt have many options. so the only other class i can think of is a pure ranged class with some skills that let it do some up close damage or a teleport type skill so it can continually back up and use its ranged attacks. There is no possible other way it can be a hybrid. it has to be a dominant ranged class.
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  • #28
    Quote from "ydemonhunter" »
    plausible for sure.
    but... who knows. :P



    Artwork trailer in diablo3.com? where??


    I think Blizzard took down the artwork trailer on their website, but I found it on youtube. The druid shows up at approximately 1:24 seconds into the clip.

    Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZXUVt0n1E

    Its pretty cool to watch again. I haven't seen it since last July.
  • #29
    I don't think its gonna be a druid or ranger/hunter. Those classes are too uni-dimensional and blizzard clearly stated there were gonna be no repeats. But i will say that omitting a ranged character from diablo 3 is a big statement and one that cannot be proven yet. If blizzard does come out with a new ranged class, you can bet your ass it won't be anything like we've ever seen before, just like the monk. I for one was totally against the idea of having a monk in the game, but after the gameplay video i'm all for it.

    That being said I'm gonna straight up say its gonna be a dwarf specializing in gunz!! jk jk
  • #30
    Think that the glaringly obvious choice for the 5th class is a cross between the Amazon and the Druid.
  • #31
    I'm hoping of a D&D type Ranger that has really powerful melee, some spells, good with nature and also good with Bow
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  • #32
    I am 99% sure that the last class will be ranged class, and my argument enough to prove this at least for me is that otherwise many fans of the ranger type class will be disappointed and won't get diablo because they wont be able to play their favorite class (I am not fan of ranged classes but there are many people who are)
  • #33
    How about a lotr ripoff of an elvin :P

    Heeeey, maybe a shepard :D
  • #34
    Disagree, what for do we have ranged weapons if we don't have a class that uses them.

    We'll get a class that wields bows, crossbows and throwing weapons.
    But at the same time has the option to use 1H melee weapons next to the ranged weapons.

    (Slot 1 is ranged, Slot 2 (shield) is 1H weapons.)
    When wielding ranged weapons the 1H is sheathed. The player then has the option to switch to their offhand, keeping their bow in their one hand while attacking with his/her 1H weapon.

    But you can attack with bows on a low range aswell.
    Perhaps they'll introduce something that makes arrows stronger at point blank w/e.
  • #35
    Quote from "OathofChaos" »

    Now, if you've seen any of the gameplay footage, we all know that each class can hold its own in both short and long range battles. Even the Barbarian uses Ground Slam and Leap Attack, and the Wizard uses something similar to Arcane Explosion.

    Being that each class is capable of decimating its opponent at all ranges, we can safely assume that the last class will be able to do that very same thing. Based on this strand of logic, the last class cannot be a pure ranged class.


    I'd just like to point out diablo II. While it could be argued that the amazon was not a pure ranged class because of her ability to use spears in melee, she was without a doubt a ranged class primarily. The fact that every other class in the game had ranged abilities did not prevent the Amazon from being in the game.
  • #36
    When they creat classes they try to make then the most diversified possible. Why?
    Because they want everyone to like at least one class. By diversing they increase the probability of this happen. And thats the main truth of why D3 will certainly have a bow class.
    First because theres no archetype that have less similarities with the 4 announced class then the "bow user", so he is the best option to bring more diversification to the class pool.
    Second because hes a obvious choice if you want to creat a class that people like. Just like some people are crazy about armsman and others are crazy about magic, some people are crazy about bows.
    Third because every single medieval RPG ever created have a archer character. Maybe not have one is think "outside the box". Outside the box of sanity and inteligence.
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  • #37
    [quote name='OathofChaos']Now, someone had pointed out to me earlier that a short bow was shown as a dropped item in the Barbarian gameplay trailer at around 3:55. That is an excellent counterpoint, but the only issue is that the game has evolved quite a bit since then. To illustrate my point, I challenge you to find a Staff, some type of Claw-type weapon, or a wizard's orb in any of the previous videos, before the class was announced. I watched each video closely and didn't find it at all. Why? The game has changed tremendously.


    Dude, look at the Barbarian gameplay trailer again...a little after we meet Cain and rescue him a short staff drops :o

    Ill try to get the exact time
  • #38
    Quote from "OathofChaos" »
    Okay, I've read a lot of threads saying that the last class will be some sort of Rogue // Amazon type thing.

    The whole point of this thread is to discuss how it won't be (or for you to prove me wrong). I will be using logic and citations to prove my case. Please be mature and discuss rationally.

    We've seen several archetypes thus far in what Blizzard has released:
    ~Barbarian - Sword and Shield type pure Melee warrior
    ~Witch Doctor - Enemy Manipulation, Damage over Time, and minion creator
    ~Wizard - Pure caster
    ~Monk - Speed Powerhouse

    And Damage Archetypes being;
    ~Pure Strong Melee (Barbarian)
    ~Disease and Fire (Witch Doctor)
    ~Lightning, Arcane, Cold (Wizard)
    ~Holy and Fast, Weaker Melee (Monk)

    Now, if you've seen any of the gameplay footage, we all know that each class can hold its own in both short and long range battles. Even the Barbarian uses Ground Slam and Leap Attack, and the Wizard uses something similar to Arcane Explosion.
    Barbarian Gameplay Video
    Witch Doctor Gameplay Video
    Wizard Gameplay Video
    Monk Gameplay Video


    Being that each class is capable of decimating its opponent at all ranges, we can safely assume that the last class will be able to do that very same thing. Based on this strand of logic, the last class cannot be a pure ranged class.

    Now, someone had pointed out to me earlier that a short bow was shown as a dropped item in the Barbarian gameplay trailer at around 3:55. That is an excellent counterpoint, but the only issue is that the game has evolved quite a bit since then. To illustrate my point, I challenge you to find a Staff, some type of Claw-type weapon, or a wizard's orb in any of the previous videos, before the class was announced. I watched each video closely and didn't find it at all. Why? The game has changed tremendously.

    So, now that I've finally laid my claim, I challenge you all to an honest debate as to why I'm wrong.


    It will be a ranged class otherwise bows would be unused. The final class will be either the Amazon or the Rogue.
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  • #39
    Quote from "OathofChaos" »
    Okay, I've read a lot of threads saying that the last class will be some sort of Rogue // Amazon type thing.

    The whole point of this thread is to discuss how it won't be (or for you to prove me wrong). I will be using logic and citations to prove my case. Please be mature and discuss rationally.

    We've seen several archetypes thus far in what Blizzard has released:
    ~Barbarian - Sword and Shield type pure Melee warrior
    ~Witch Doctor - Enemy Manipulation, Damage over Time, and minion creator
    ~Wizard - Pure caster
    ~Monk - Speed Powerhouse

    And Damage Archetypes being;
    ~Pure Strong Melee (Barbarian)
    ~Disease and Fire (Witch Doctor)
    ~Lightning, Arcane, Cold (Wizard)
    ~Holy and Fast, Weaker Melee (Monk)

    Now, if you've seen any of the gameplay footage, we all know that each class can hold its own in both short and long range battles. Even the Barbarian uses Ground Slam and Leap Attack, and the Wizard uses something similar to Arcane Explosion.
    Barbarian Gameplay Video
    Witch Doctor Gameplay Video
    Wizard Gameplay Video
    Monk Gameplay Video


    Being that each class is capable of decimating its opponent at all ranges, we can safely assume that the last class will be able to do that very same thing. Based on this strand of logic, the last class cannot be a pure ranged class.

    Now, someone had pointed out to me earlier that a short bow was shown as a dropped item in the Barbarian gameplay trailer at around 3:55. That is an excellent counterpoint, but the only issue is that the game has evolved quite a bit since then. To illustrate my point, I challenge you to find a Staff, some type of Claw-type weapon, or a wizard's orb in any of the previous videos, before the class was announced. I watched each video closely and didn't find it at all. Why? The game has changed tremendously.

    So, now that I've finally laid my claim, I challenge you all to an honest debate as to why I'm wrong.



    Re-watch the barbarian gameplay trailer...at 8:31 about, a zombie drops a short staff :O:D
  • #40
    Whats really missing is a more stealthy class, something like a stalker similar to rogue.I dont know how well elemental/nature skills would work for it , however I guess a crossbow or something with enchanted arrows or coated arrows could go well.
    The only counter point against this is Jay wilson saying we want our heroes to feel and act powerful , I wonder if that is possible with something like a rogue.
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