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  • #22
    Horned Death is the name of Hell's Army.

    It's like the Night Elf Army is called the Sentinels.
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  • #23
    In Diablo? Or in general?

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  • #24
    In Diablo.


    I don't think the armies of Lucifer have a name. other than Hell's Army, or variations of.
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  • #25
    Ohhhh okay. I see.

    See, this thread is great.

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  • #26
    Cain: "So, you seek knowledge concerning the wars of Hell, do you? Cryptic tomes speak of great battles that determine which of the demonic lords were to rule over Hell. They also mention a bitter rivalry between two of these lords: Azmodan, who led the Horned Death against the armies of light, and Belial, known as the Lord of Lies. Their hatred of each other is eternal. The reasons for their loathing, lost even to themselves. Tales abound that the mad wizard Horazon somehow trapped the lieutenants of these two lords of hell within his sanctum. There can be no more dangerous a path to tread than the one that runs alongside of demons. Should you also seek this path, watch your life and your soul very carefully, my friend."

    This is taken from a quest about Horazon's sanctuary which did not make the final version of Diablo, and so, is most clearly not cannon lore.
    But, since the term in question was also written at about the same time, these lost quests can provide us with some enlightenment as to what the creators of the game meant, and in this case, what is the "Horned Death"

    It is known from other sources, including the manual of the first Diablo, that the demons that each Prime Evil and also Andariel is master of, have a general characteristic trait that distinguish them.
    We can assume that the same applies for the other great evils of Hell, from the text above, it seems that the Horned Death is a general description of the demons that fall under the ranks of Azmodan.
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  • #27
    If anyone knows, I would love to know:

    From what NPC's say in Diablo 1, Adria the Witch appeared, set up a shack very quickly, and it appears she left when Diablo was defeated or around that time.. and she is no where to be found in Diablo II.

    What is up with Adria the Witch? :D
  • #28
    @ LarryNC: We don't know what happened to her. I would like to find out too, she was an interesting character. We don't know that she definitely escaped either, but it is likely because she is such a tricky character lol.

    Ahh, thank you Solomir. That is a very interesting find indeed.

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  • #29
    Quote from "LarryNC" »
    If anyone knows, I would love to know:

    From what NPC's say in Diablo 1, Adria the Witch appeared, set up a shack very quickly the day before all the bad stuff happened, and it appears she left when Diablo was defeated or around that time.. and she is no where to be found in Diablo II.

    What is up with Adria the Witch? :D


    @ LarryNC: We don't know what happened to her. I would like to find out too, she was an interesting character. We don't know that she definitely escaped either, but it is likely because she is such a tricky character lol.


    yes we dont know what happened to adria after diablo got defeated aperently. but i also didnt know her shack became up in one day and right before diablo showed up. :o
  • #30
    That doesn't seem right. Since most people in Tristram are ignorant to the fact Diablo has been locked in a soulstone in a labyrinth beneath Tristram for years.
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  • #31
    What doesn't seem right? And note that Adria seems to know a fair bit. She's awfully mystical.

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  • #32
    Someone said she shouldn't up a day beofre Diablo got there.

    Now if the said she showed up a day bofore weird things began happening, and monsters were seen around the cathedral, that would have been a better statement.
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  • #33
    Ohh, I missed that inclination in his post. Yeah, nah, the troubles began before Adria showed up. Remember the whole King Leoric thing? She wasn't there when he was corrupted, she only came recently when everyone else fled town.

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    The witch, Adria, is an anomaly here in Tristram. She arrived shortly after the Cathedral was desecrated while most everyone else was fleeing. She had a small hut constructed at the edge of town, seemingly overnight, and has access to many strange and arcane artifacts and tomes of knowledge that even I have never seen before.


    lol, and note the word 'seemingly' overnight. She could have been constructing the hut for years in secrecy, and whenever anyone asked if she was building a hut nearby, she could have replied with "I definitely appreciate that the town has a lot of interest in seeing a hut built, but I'm afraid I don't have any plans to build at this time."

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  • #34
    Remember that during this time Tristram became the center of attention of all sorts of wannabe heroes who were looking for gold and glory. I think that Adria might have just settle in Tristram only to sell potions and books and make a quick piece of gold, and she must have move away after Diablo's death to go sell her stuff elsewhere which explain why we didn't find her body in D2.

  • #35
    Either it is assumed she is one of the bodies in Tristram, as is Pepin, Gillian, Ogden and Farnham. BUt since Tristram in Diablo II is limited to the main centre, you do not see her shack, or even the ruins of her shack. So it is possible she is alive. The SUpposed 1.12 patch, aka the Adria Patch, added further speculation about the character, as it was said she was to appear as a Tortured SOul somewhere in the first 3 stages of Act IV.


    Atrumentis, That was my point. I was only missing the quote.

    but i also didnt know her shack became up in one day and right before diablo showed up. :o


    Is an incorrect statement. Shack in a day, yeah, that lore, Cain says so. But she did not show up and build her shack before Diablo got to Tristram.

    Would need to do some reviewing of the source material, but I think Diablo was captured 100 years before he possesses Albrecht's body.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #36
    As a long time player of D2, but having never gotten into the lore much, I read through this thread and found it absolutely interesting. I have a question now, naturally.

    "The Nephalem, being born of Angel and Demon, were found to be quite powerful. Lilith planned to use their power to build an army, but Inarius fought against her and used the Worldstone to nerf the human's powers, so that each successive generation became less and less powerful. He wanted control over them, not anyone else."

    (I can't use the bbcode yet)

    If this is the case can one assume that with the destruction of The Worldstone that the descendants of the Nephalem will become uninhibited towards their full potential? Could humans as a race become a (or even THE) dominant force now that The Worldstone can no longer "nerf" the power that they could have theoretically had if it hadn't been brought into existence? Perhaps with their new found powers, and the inherent instability of humans, they themselves could become the evil they've been trying so hard to defend against.

    I just had this idea in my head while I read through this thread so I just had to say something.

    Oh, and from what I've read just based on this thread it sounds to me like The Black Abyss is a spawning pool for demons, almost like a primordial ooze from which they spill or are created, as where The Void is an alternate dimension from which there is no escape from the "inside" of it, however it is highly plausible that (especially in regards to the portals leading to Lilith, etc) a gateway to The Void can be opened from the human plain, as well as other plains not only to banish things into The Void, but return them out of The Void as well. You can also assume that each individual, demon, human, anything, has their own specific "The Void" so that they are always in solitary unless someone from the human (or other) world opens a gate to their specific "The Void" whether to slay them, release them. Whatever they wish, however it would certainly take a considerably powerful magic user to open such a gate, or at least powerful magic relics (Key's of [whatever], Organs)

    It's all too much to try and think about. lol.
  • #37
    The World event of the Ubers, (and thus Lilith in-game, which differs from Lilith in lore), is hard to state as offical, personally, as it borders more on an extra, easter egg, bonusy thing, I don't count it as lore.

    There is but one Diablo. No clones, or beefed up versions.

    but I am digressing, Tyrael himself has stated the effects of his destroying of the worldstone are unknown at this point, what you suggest could be correct, yet conversely, it could also be wrong. As I said before, certain questions in this thread may go unanswered or half answered for some time.
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  • #38
    When reading the Sin War Trilogy books from Knaak, Mendelen was trying to get Rathma out of The Void, but also encountered Lilth in that forsaken place. Knaak described the situation as an absurd chance meeting in a place as infinite as one's imagination in his book if I recall it right.

    Also in the books, Uldyssian tempered with the Worldstone to reverse Iranius' plan. If anything, the Nephalem felt more and more powerful over time. That is one of the key factors of the ending of D2, the Worldstone's destruction leaves many questions open. Will humans become stronger or weaker? How does its destruction relate to keeping it hidden from the immortal sides? Will humans split into two factions, supporting both heaven and hell? Will heaven leave them be even if they get so powerful that they become a sincere threat to everything else? The destruction of Diablo's soulstone banished him into the immortal plane of existance, but with the Worldstone gone, could he go back? I can think up so many more questions which in high probabability I will get no answer from until Blizzard continues the series.
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  • #39
    I suppose I had better get some reading materials ;)

    Any you guys would recommend to read first?
  • #40
    Each time a door is closed another two open it seems.

    While interesting beyond question, prehaps the nature of worldstone and the effects of it's destruction has on the world had best be kept out of this thread, until a conclusion, definiative and official answer can be concocted. We could be here all day coming up with answers.




    Deckard Cain, judging by both is accent and skin tone, is clearly not a resident of Khanduras. his accent is some what scottish, as was the sorcerer in Diablo 1. Deckard Cain is the last of the Horadrim. The Horadrim is an alliance of mage clans, not a clan itself. The sorcerer from Diablo 1 was a Vizjerei. So does this mean that in addition to being a member of the Horadrim, is Deckard Cain also a Vezjerei?

    The clans did split up again at some point, which means new mebers born into the clans would not be Horadrim, as the organisation no longer exists. But those who were once part of that alliance could still call themselves Horadrim. I think it is this situation that both Cain and Tyrael refer to when they say that Cain is the last of the Horadrim. He is the last living member (of any clan) to be a Horadrim.

    Take the diablo3.com clan SICK, say it was to disband (*shudders at the very thought*), and all the members were to leave but myself, I would then now be standing before you in all my glory, the last living member of SICK.

    But to get back to my earlier point. Cain and his similarities to the Vizjerei clan members. Prehaps I am asking yet another unanswerable question, but is it possible he is a Vizjerei?

    Any you guys would recommend to read first?


    My memory is a little hazy, but I would recommend the Sin War trilogy first, followed by playing Diablo 1, then proceed to Diablo 2, while simultaneously reading Legacy of Blood, The Black Road and Kingdom of Shadow, which are set in a parallel time line, to Diablo II.

    Solomir or Atrumentis (as well as others should be able to point you i nthe right direction in regards to chronology of both novels and games.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #41
    Hold the phone- Rathma is in the Void? Isn't he a Nephalem? How'd he get in there? And why would Inarius use the Worldstone against the Nephalem? I though he created Sanctuary... Maybe I'm lost :D
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