Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events

  • #41
    ok, but for me to read them i would have to start again, i dont have any chars that havent finished the act 5 yet. i suppose i could use an editor to cheat myself into act 5.

    but feel free to chim in every once and awhile. also good to have a lore expert in discussions like this.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #42
    the other elders sacrificed theirselfs in an attempt to save haggorath, nith was disturbed that he wasnt with the others so he tryed to save haggorath by giving baal the relic. the relic simply lets you pass onto the worldstone w/o meeting the ancients, i imagine baal put some sort of corruption on nith or he would have never kidnapped anya or used that damn c/e on you :(
    If you ever meet a hafling and a hungry dragon you dont have to outrun the dragon, you only have to outrun the hafling.
  • #43
    I wonder if Baal feared the ancients if he needed that relic...I dunno...what you guys think?
    Those before me shall quiver in my wake as I unleash the fury within!

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  • #44
    i doubt he feared the ancients he was just probably trying to save time and stall us who tried to kill him lol we were chasin his @$$

    Dream as if you'll live forever, and live as if you'll die today. "James Dean"

  • #45
    Quote from "Thasador" »
    I wonder if Baal feared the ancients if he needed that relic...I dunno...what you guys think?


    We were actually discussing this point earlier. And to I point, I would say yes to your question. If he didn't fear them, he at least worried he could not defeat them. For whatever reasons (hopefully ones we'll learn more about in the Sin War trilogy) the Nephilim are incredibly powerful and can easily contest with demons, perhaps even the Prime Evils.

    But maybe what Baal also feared was time. Maybe it wasn't just that he needed to get into the World Chamber, but soon. And he could've easily been on par with the Nephilim as he fought them, but it would've been a very long drawn out battle and he needed to get in there as soon as possible.

    As for Nihlathak, I believe he was corrupt even before all the Elders were slain. When you really analyze his dialogue, he comes off as a spiteful and manipulating snake. I do not believe it was the single event of the Elders' slaughter that made him this way, albeit it was a huge traumatic event.

    Quote from "darkjay" »
    the other elders sacrificed theirselfs in an attempt to save haggorath, nith was disturbed that he wasnt with the others so he tryed to save haggorath by giving baal the relic. the relic simply lets you pass onto the worldstone w/o meeting the ancients, i imagine baal put some sort of corruption on nith or he would have never kidnapped anya or used that damn c/e on you :(


    Nihlathak actually was there for the summoning of the ward. The casting of the ward required that all seven Elders be there. He was one of the first Elders who reluctantly agreed to the plan. What truly drove him mad with guilt in the end was simply that he did not die with the other Elders. This actually leads me to believe that it wasn't until after the ward was erected that Baal then chose to contact him. This is just a theory, though. But it's relevent to me whether he had contact with Baal before or after the Elders were slain. So I'm trying to figure that out.
  • #46
    wow,thats a plot hole i cant seem to fill myself...hopefully d3 will fill that in.
    you got me thinking about this now lol
  • #47
    I think, going back to Marius, the reaosn he followed diablo was out of fear- after what he saw in the monastery, he was freaked out, diablo was the only calm person there, and I cant remember for sure but doesnt diablo ask him to come anyway?
    Stars aligning fragments of the memories
    Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
    Sealed by this deadened song
    Sinking in toneless comatose
    Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
    Its massive darkness filling my world
    Submerged rage writing unspoken words
  • #48
    He never asks him to come. I figured Marius followed him truly out of apathy for his own existence. In other words, he figured, "There's absolutely nothing going for me in my life, I may as well see where this is going."

    But it is strange he took it upon himself to pull the stone out of Tal Rasha/Baal. I'm not sure what his motives were behind that. It's funny how through all of that, Marius was never really rewarded, except for just being killed by Baal.
  • #49
    Marius was tricked into removing the stone. he sees what he thinks is Tal Rasha but is actually Baal, saying "please release me..." and so he does.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #50
    But was it Baal forcing Tal Rasha to trick Marius, or was it a maddened Tal Rasha begging for some kind of release, as he underestimated Baal's powers.
  • #51
    Tal Rasha would know what he was getting him self into, he did so wiloingly with no regrets or quarms.

    So i think it was Baal's doing, not Tal Rasha asking for a way out, for he would know if baal was ever to be released it would spell almost certain doom for all. it was Tal Rasha's duty to wrestle with the essence of Baal for all eternity, and his alone.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #52
    But I believe it was mentioned how he and the Horadrim underestimated the Prime Evils and that in Tal Rasha's arrogance, he decided he could contend forever with the demon. Yes, it was supposedly a selfless act, but it was also part ego.
  • #53
    yeah that does seem fitting, and baal isa powerful demon, probably more powerful then the rest- though i will say I dounf diablo to be harder to kill then baal- simply because if you get killed once then you will again,

    and single playing him in normal with a level 42 necro isnt fun....single play sucks
    Stars aligning fragments of the memories
    Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
    Sealed by this deadened song
    Sinking in toneless comatose
    Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
    Its massive darkness filling my world
    Submerged rage writing unspoken words
  • #54
    Quote from "diablO_Owns" »
    and single playing him in normal with a level 42 necro isnt fun....single play sucks

    Bad necro, then.
    Single play doesn't suck, you just don't know how to play it because it's harder.
  • #55
    Yeah, I know this now after I ruined my necro lol
    Single play is damn hard, and I didnt ever play with necro characters before...I think I messed up the build somewhere...
    Stars aligning fragments of the memories
    Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
    Sealed by this deadened song
    Sinking in toneless comatose
    Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
    Its massive darkness filling my world
    Submerged rage writing unspoken words
  • #56
    Who were you building? I had my first Bonemancer, he's OK so far, and I'm in Act 3 nightmare.
  • #57
    I suck with Necromancers. They just aren't my specialty
  • #58
    I think I was trying to build a summon, but I think I mixed up something and did it backward...
    I like playing battle.net better anyway because you can stick together with another person and help eachother- what would be fun would be to go through the whole entire game in one game with one other guy- that would be badass.
    Stars aligning fragments of the memories
    Parallel truth, awaken in translucence
    Sealed by this deadened song
    Sinking in toneless comatose
    Come and tear my skin, fear what's within
    Its massive darkness filling my world
    Submerged rage writing unspoken words
  • #59
    i own with necro in both single and b.net
    i once had a killer bonemancer build, but sadly, it expired..
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • #60
    quote]

    But I believe it was mentioned how he and the Horadrim underestimated the Prime Evils and that in Tal Rasha's arrogance, he decided he could contend forever with the demon. Yes, it was supposedly a selfless act, but it was also part ego.


    yeah that does seem fitting, and baal isa powerful demon, probably more powerful then the rest- [/quote]

    he definitely the most destructive of the three, he seems to be the only one to have broken even part of a soulstone, but it is Diablo that is labelled as the leader of the three. which is a little stange as it is said he is the younger of the three as well. with Mephisto said to be the oldest, you'd think he would be the leader.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
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