Φ Diablo Lore and Chronology of Events

  • #21
    I've wondered if maybe Diablo was not as powerful as he could've been because he assumed his true form too early out of necessity. Where Baal was transforming more gradually and at a more natural rate, and thus would be more difficult to beat.

    Lastly, Mephisto may have been in his mortal form for too long and thus had his power diluted. Cause he's relatively easy to beat. Just an idea.
  • #22
    interesting theory.

    Baal seems to be the more powerful of the 3, but prehaps that is just due to his nature, He is the Lord of Destruction. Destruction to me seems more powerful than Terror or Hatred.


    on a side note, Diablo is said to be the youngest of the three, and Mephisto is said to be the oldest.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #23
    Yes, so as Baal has middle child syndrom, he lashes out a bit more than the others.

    It would be interesting though if the lore ever explained why they came in the order they did; or if there was some supposed natural hierarchy for evil dictating that hatred had to come first, then so on. Or, did the three prime evils come into existence then choose themselves what aspects of evil would be their essence?
  • #24
    hmm it never actually says how they were born out of the chaos, simply that they were, it also never says why the are ordered in "age" like they are simply that they are.

    Diablo simply means devil, not the devil.
    Mephisto is a shortened version of Mephistopheles, another name for the most powerful demon or devil, Lucifer.
    Baal is another name for Beelzebub, a very highly ranked demon.

    but Beelzebub is the third most powerful demon know to exist. yet Baal seems to be the most powerful, weird?

    with Mephisto being somewhat based on the demon Mephistopheles (Lucifer) you would expect him to be harder if not the hardest. he is the older of the three, he should have more skills and knowledge

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_devils
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #25
    What that Wiki entry says about the Nephilim is pretty interesting. The cross breeding of a son of God with a daughter of man.

    "Samyaza, an angel of high rank, is described as leading a rebel sect of angels in a descent to earth to instruct humans in righteousness. The tutelage went on for a few centuries, but soon the angels pined for the human females and began to instruct the women in magic and conjuring. The angels consummated their lust, and as a result produced hybrid offspring: the Nephilim.
    According to these texts, the fallen angels who begat the Nephilim were cast into Tartarus/Gehenna, a place of 'total darkness'. However, Jubilees also states that God granted ten percent of the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim to remain after the flood, as demons, to try to lead the human race astray (through idolatry, the occult, etc.) until the final Judgement.
    These works describe the Nephilim as being gigantic in stature, with prodigious strength and immense appetites. Supposedly, upon devouring all of humankind's resources, the Nephilim had begun to consume humans themselves, and attacked and oppressed them, becoming the cause of massive destruction on the earth."

    I actually believe that Diablo III may feature the Nephilim race. Since it introduced the idea in Birthright, and the other Sin War books are definitely going to feature them, it's logical to at least assume you might see them in Diablo 3. Even if the third game isn't a prequel.
  • #26
    the barbarian ancients in LOD are the Nephilim.

    "we are the Nephilim...."
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #27
    Wow. Nice comeback, Elfen. Even a quote to go with it. High-five.
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  • #28
    lol cant get any plainer than that can it?? but wouldnt their be more than 3??
    If you ever meet a hafling and a hungry dragon you dont have to outrun the dragon, you only have to outrun the hafling.
  • #29
    Wow. Nice comeback, Elfen. Even a quote to go with it. High-five.

    *hive five* thats how i roll.

    dont know if there will be more of them in d3, maybe.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #30
    Wow. Nice comeback, Elfen. Even a quote to go with it. High-five.

    ??

    Anyway, that's true isn't it? It had never even occurred to me that there were Nephilim in Diablo II. Could it be assumed that the barbarians were descended from the original Nephilim? Making them around 1/64 gods? More or less?

    But at any rate, the Nephilim were indeed powerful. Baal probably surmised that he could not defeat them and thus struck a deal with Nihlathak for the Relic. Just as in the books, both demons and angels fear and are wary of the Nephilim.

    However, if they were so powerful and revered by both sides of the conflict, what happened to them? Cause I think they may have been closer to a race than just a select few.
  • #31
    But at any rate, the Nephilim were indeed powerful. Baal probably surmised that he could not defeat them and thus struck a deal with Nihlathak for the Relic. Just as in the books, both demons and angels fear and are wary of the Nephilim.

    it difinitely seems that way, Baal could not defeat them with his massive army or by himself so he secured another method of getting by them, a trade of sorts, and i sure Baal had no plan to keep his end of the bargin, whatever it was he was willing to offer Nihlathak, power or whatever it was.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #32
    I know the terms of the bargain was that Baal wouldn't harm Harrogath and its denizens. And I'm sure to entice him, Baal gave Nihlathak some additional powers. I say additional cause I believe Nihlathak did have some powers of his own to begin with, such as his Necromancer and Druid ones. But I doubt before the bargain he commanded those demons.

    I've also wondered about the nature of the Relic of the Ancients. Does it act as a type of cloak from certain powers? And who created it? And was it powerful enough that Nihlathak might have used it to his own means in spite of Baal's wishes?
  • #33
    i think its more of a ward that make the holder invisible in a sense. the one who holds it can pass freely passed the guardians.

    im not sure if it has any other powers but it might, it never says it does.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #34
    Well, I suppose if it did that alone, it would still be pretty powerful. Considering how hard the Nephilim are especially in Hell difficulty.

    I wonder now if Nihlathak actually met with Baal in person and gave it to him or if he gave it to one of his minions. And how and where did they meet?
  • #35
    mostly likely thru an emmisary. i doubt Baal would make a personal appearance.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #36
    And I believe when it occurred was when the elders were erecting the Druidic ward. Cause during this time, all the elders were working on summoning the necassary magic, but Baal's minions were trying to stop them. The barbarian warriors managed to hold them off just long enough to bring up the ward, but were eventually overtaken as well as the rest of the elders. I believe it was in this moment of chaos that Nihlathak slipped away as if trying to escape. But really he had already made his deal with Baal and was going to meet him, or Baal's emmissary (which does seem more logical) at that time.

    It would work as an alibi to claim that during all the fighting he managed to escape and hid somewhere till he felt it was safe to return to Harrogath. BUt he was actually using this time to flee with the Relic.

    What then was the purpose of the Relic? Why should anyone be allowed to go into the Worldchamber without being tested? It could've been so Tyrael might enter freely in it, but the Ancients claim Tyrael was their benefactor and so I don't see why they would need to require him to to be tested or have the Relic to enter. It just seems dangerous to create an artifact that would allow someone to enter in untested; even if the exception to that was Tyrael.
  • #37
    doesnt it also protect Harrogath, somewhat similar to the Gibdinn in act III?

    thats is why the fear they will not survive the seige much longer without the relic. luckily there isnt much game left when it goes missing, its been a while since ive played but i dont think it was missing when you first arrived in act 5. can anyone confirm or disprove this.

    where in the burning hells is Solomir? he seems to be wuite the lore Expert.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #38
    Yes, its actually quite easy.

    Fist you got to take into consideration that when you reach Harrogath, Anya is not there, and neither is any of the rest of the elders.

    Then you will have to hear the introduction speech of Malah to better understand the chronological order of things.

    Another useful piece of information concerning the source of protection for the city can be heard by Qual-Khek once you receive the quest to save Anya.

    And finally, to understand the general function of the Relic you will have to speak to Anya once you free her.
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  • #39
    thanks Solomir.

    all the elders except for Nihlathak are dead.

    though you could have just given us some quotes, save us the time of having to play the game to find these speeches, assuming we dont have the time to play.
    -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
  • #40
    I've spent about 40 minutes rewriting pages from Birthright earlier today, enough is enough.
    Besides, reading back to your latest quote here I figured it would be good for you to actually read the texts themselves instead of trying to remember them.
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