Diablo: Belial's Deception

  • #21
    Quote from Doomscream

    Well, I suggest you read the Order and see the holes in the theory :)
    I have read The Order and incorporated its plot into this. What holes do you see?
  • #22
    Any way to get a transcript of the text in this?
  • #23
    Quote from Gnub
    My reason would be that I highly doubt Belial is THAT good - especially concerning Adria and Aidan's matchup with Diablo not seeing it, and then later being able to trick Tyrael. Lastly, I have the general feeling that the Black Soulstone was never destroyed (at least "properly"), which would essentially just send all the Greater Evils right back in the game.
    I find it totally believable that Belial could fool Diablo. Just as Diablo could scare Belial. Tyrael on the other hand does need some explanation, which I provided in the video description.

    Regardless though, thanks for your kind words :)
  • #24
    Quote from zerObit

    Any way to get a transcript of the text in this?
    I could write one up I suppose. I've actually been meaning to do that...
  • #25
    I apologize in advance for derailing a bit here, but in case Adria wasn't Belial, but someone who had done a deal with him (Lilith?)
    it would actually make more than a bit sense. See, Lilith has a history of portraying female characters to further her own goals and influence others. I could be wrong here, but one motivation for her to plot this could be that she could free Inarius from Hell now that Primes and Lessers are gone or prisoned inside the Black Soulstone.

    I'm pretty sure the expansion will have something to do with a jungle setting, since there wasn't a jungle environment in Diablo 3.
    Also, the witch doctors originate from jungle and their "religion" has mostly to do with this "unformed land" or Abyss wherein it is assumed that Leah's soul is now. Leah could be the only one who has information on Adria's coming plans.

    It should also be noted that some things are really weird in the story and that could have multiple meanings which are not thoroughly clear: Tyrael disappears when you go to heaven, he is said to be feeling guilty of causing the death and destruction and that he was feeling weak - is this the true reason? What did Adria do to Tyrael when she held him in her demonic grip atop the Bastion's keep?

    Diablo struck trough Imperius. This could be the single most important thing happening in Diablo 3. Diablo struck trough the pride of Heaven and powerfully mocks the Angelic Host and it's most prominent member. Even if Diablo get's cast down from heaven, the victory over Imperius may actually be his most important goal since he succeeds in infuriating Imperius and turning him against humans. What else did Diablo do to Inarius? Did he somehow turn him into something else? Wrath? Hatred? Did he somehow insert Mephisto inside him?

    We also catch a glimpse of a man totally skinned and mutilated and strewn across some sort of horrible torturing device, maybe?
    This happens during the Black Soulstone cinematic, when Leah reads the book. Who is this character? It just struck me odd that there never was any indication of what this was, aside from it being gruesome and horrifying. Maybe this character is Inarius? The angel which was cast down from heaven and turned to demons for his "crimes" against creation.. He has suffered for his "crimes" in hands of demons for centuries.. mutilated, tortured... and so on.

    If Belial/Adria wants to use Nephalem to their own ends and Imperius/Wrath wants to destroy them, maybe Inarius still holds to his views about his children: that they are not to be used by Heaven and Hell and not to be destroyed. Maybe he could save the Nephalem somehow? Inarius was the only one who actually found out how to use the worldstone to create the Sanctuary with Lilith.

    The most prominent weird thing about the whole Diablo 3 campaign is the simplicity and transparency of Belial's lies like stated elsewhere. It's so easy to spot and so aimless that the true goal must have been hidden like this theory suggests.

    Eagerly awaiting for some answers. Hopefully they will restore the Diablo lore to it's former glory instead of trampling the whole thing under the weight of hasty and hamfisted teen-friendly lore.
  • #26
    sounds great
  • #27
    Quote from beetfunchic

    I apologize in advance for derailing a bit here, but in case Adria wasn't Belial, but someone who had done a deal with him (Lilith?)
    it would actually make more than a bit sense. See, Lilith has a history of portraying female characters to further her own goals and influence others. I could be wrong here, but one motivation for her to plot this could be that she could free Inarius from Hell now that Primes and Lessers are gone or prisoned inside the Black Soulstone.

    I'm pretty sure the expansion will have something to do with a jungle setting, since there wasn't a jungle environment in Diablo 3.
    Also, the witch doctors originate from jungle and their "religion" has mostly to do with this "unformed land" or Abyss wherein it is assumed that Leah's soul is now. Leah could be the only one who has information on Adria's coming plans.

    It should also be noted that some things are really weird in the story and that could have multiple meanings which are not thoroughly clear: Tyrael disappears when you go to heaven, he is said to be feeling guilty of causing the death and destruction and that he was feeling weak - is this the true reason? What did Adria do to Tyrael when she held him in her demonic grip atop the Bastion's keep?

    Diablo struck trough Imperius. This could be the single most important thing happening in Diablo 3. Diablo struck trough the pride of Heaven and powerfully mocks the Angelic Host and it's most prominent member. Even if Diablo get's cast down from heaven, the victory over Imperius may actually be his most important goal since he succeeds in infuriating Imperius and turning him against humans. What else did Diablo do to Inarius? Did he somehow turn him into something else? Wrath? Hatred? Did he somehow insert Mephisto inside him?

    We also catch a glimpse of a man totally skinned and mutilated and strewn across some sort of horrible torturing device, maybe?
    This happens during the Black Soulstone cinematic, when Leah reads the book. Who is this character? It just struck me odd that there never was any indication of what this was, aside from it being gruesome and horrifying. Maybe this character is Inarius? The angel which was cast down from heaven and turned to demons for his "crimes" against creation.. He has suffered for his "crimes" in hands of demons for centuries.. mutilated, tortured... and so on.

    If Belial/Adria wants to use Nephalem to their own ends and Imperius/Wrath wants to destroy them, maybe Inarius still holds to his views about his children: that they are not to be used by Heaven and Hell and not to be destroyed. Maybe he could save the Nephalem somehow? Inarius was the only one who actually found out how to use the worldstone to create the Sanctuary with Lilith.

    The most prominent weird thing about the whole Diablo 3 campaign is the simplicity and transparency of Belial's lies like stated elsewhere. It's so easy to spot and so aimless that the true goal must have been hidden like this theory suggests.

    Eagerly awaiting for some answers. Hopefully they will restore the Diablo lore to it's former glory instead of trampling the whole thing under the weight of hasty and hamfisted teen-friendly lore.

    That sounds about right
  • #28
    Ever think that maybe "Lord of Lies", "Lord of Destruction" and so on might just be largely meaningless titles? I mean, Diablo is the Lord of Terror and he's just a big red dinosaur... not that terrifying really :P
  • #29
    Very well done. Is that your voice? If it is, it was well narrator. However if it was Deckard Cains voice it would be magnificent.
  • #30
    Nice teory!

    its hard to believe that the Lord of Lies was destroyed so easy!

    its hard to believe that the strategy guy "azmodan" was destroyed so so easy!

    and etc...
  • #31
    Pretty nice theory :o
  • #32
    So you say that all the D3 story is basically a lie... me like it :D


    Thanks ScyberDragon!!! you're awesome!!:D:D
  • #33
    Quote from Mormolyce

    Ever think that maybe "Lord of Lies", "Lord of Destruction" and so on might just be largely meaningless titles? I mean, Diablo is the Lord of Terror and he's just a big red dinosaur... not that terrifying really :P


    Because technically we (humans) cannot reproduce how terrific he really is by any mean. Same thing for the.. "perfection" of the angels/heaven.
    When you read the Sin War trilogy, you have a lot of description of some art made by human that would represent heavens. However for Inarius thus are pal copy that do not represent the real might of this place, even if they're exactly how he had described the place to the artist. Basically, a picture could never represent the ... "might" of the heaven, even if you'd take a camera.
    Same goes for the lord of hell. In the same trilogy the main nephalem at some point creates a wall of water that acts as a mirror to actually scare Diablo (it's Diablo if I'm right, but it's kinda far in my memories... anyway if I'm wrong someone will correct me.)
  • #34
    Quote from cmagik

    Quote from Mormolyce

    Ever think that maybe "Lord of Lies", "Lord of Destruction" and so on might just be largely meaningless titles? I mean, Diablo is the Lord of Terror and he's just a big red dinosaur... not that terrifying really :P


    Because technically we (humans) cannot reproduce how terrific he really is by any mean. Same thing for the.. "perfection" of the angels/heaven.
    When you read the Sin War trilogy, you have a lot of description of some art made by human that would represent heavens. However for Inarius thus are pal copy that do not represent the real might of this place, even if they're exactly how he had described the place to the artist. Basically, a picture could never represent the ... "might" of the heaven, even if you'd take a camera.
    Same goes for the lord of hell. In the same trilogy the main nephalem at some point creates a wall of water that acts as a mirror to actually scare Diablo (it's Diablo if I'm right, but it's kinda far in my memories... anyway if I'm wrong someone will correct me.)


    Yes, Uldyssian uses his ill described nephlim powers to mirror Diablo's powers (because at the moment he was trying to appear as what would scare his target the most) and something (we're not told what) actually scares him.

    Anyway, on topic, I think it's far more likely that if someone is behind Adria (other than Diablo), it'd be Lillith. For one, she was the first one who wanted to use the Nephilim as an army (against heaven and hell). For two, she's also been know to use females as fronts, and for three, she's one of the few demons/angels to be shown to constantly work against EVERYONE else. The evils tend to work together (except for the civil war, but even then they were in teams). They also tend to be focused on defeating the other side, and don't really care about Sanctuary, i believe Lillith wanted to rule Sanctuary.

    As for the Belial, I think he really was defeated because 1) he's over confident, like just about every other Evil (Lillith is less so, because she knows she's not the biggest fish in the pond), and 2) The evils (at least in D3, cause they didn't have as much personality in D2) tend to fall prey to their own "trait." Baal basically just destroyed everything, Diablo focused on Terror, and both were weaker for it. This shows up the most with Belial and Azmodan. Azmodan is supposed to be a great battlefield commander. His assault on Bastion's Keep WAS set up well, he just failed to modify his plan when the heroes show up. Why? Cause he's overwhelmed by pride, and is overconfident. His minions act similiarly, like how Ghom was in the keep for several days, but just tooled around in the lower levels eating people, Cydaea tries to toy with you, instead of just up and finishing you off, as one would think she would trying to protect the FIRST heart, instead of just bailing. Anyway, everytime you take out one of Azmodans plans, all he does is say "HA! I didn't NEED that plan, I have THIS plan! Belial isn't overcome with pride, but he's lied to himself. He's convinced that he's fulled you, when he clearly hasn't (look, if you're trying to be human, don't be a suspicously competent, and creepy, human child. Didn't Belial ever watch MiB?). Of course, I could just be reading too much into the fact that Blizzard didn't write the story that well, and oversold the villians and didn't give them a reasonable pay off.

    Also, Lillith being the "big bag" fits her modus operandi - manipulating someone else to do her dirty work. All the other major Demons did their own dirty work (as far as we know). Finally, the journal where Maghda talks about the "other" witch seems to me to be implying the split was not...amicable.

    Edit: I forgot to mention, another thing against the Belial theory is that Azmodan claims he can here his brothers "from down here" (aka Hell). I doubt Belial would actually be able to full him (as well as Diablo later on). Someone along the line would have noticed that Belial was missing.
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