CRACK! The final seal crumbled, and the roar echoed, "Not even DEATH can save you from me! ! ! !" And all feared the torment of their soul even after diablo would slay their body.
What if, cracking open the final seal, "Not even death CAN SAVE YOU FROM ME" Means somethin else? What if Big D KNOWS hes going to be defeated, knows he will be slain, and its a warning? "Not even DEATH(killing ME(Diablo)) can save you from me" Maybe he knows that he will die, and then he knows what we do not? Does he know he will fall once again, and come back a final time years later to destroy us all?
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I dont think it would be TOO far-fetched, think about this:
It was revealed DIABLO wanted to die in D1, because he knew he would get a stronger host. What if he wanted to die in D2 also, (knowing his brother Baal's plans with the worldstone, and assuming victory) he would assume he could retun WITHOUT a human host, being 100% of his demonic self instead of being weaked by even a stronger mortal person. Maybe he said or MEANT "Not even killing me, will save you" because, killing him, when Baal destoryes the worldstone, he may return as himself with NO human ancor.
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And yes, I would say you cant be damned to hell without being able to go to heaven also in sanctuary. Otherwise, why wouldnt everyone be a murderer and outlaw? Nomatter what your screwed, lets raise hell.
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In one of the books they talked about lost souls roaming the sanctuary. In the trilogy, the savant turned necromancer always has "dead horse riders" roaming next to him, but only he can see them.
LOST souls, exactly. Those who havent went to "heaven OR hell"--defined by Sanctuary anyway. I think its very plausible to use the idea from diablo1, he wanted to die, got stronger, yet still anchored. D2, didnt necessarily want to die, but when he realized he would, "nnot even death......" and he then wanted to, knowing or believing, his brother Baal would destroy the stone and lead him to become all powerfull again, entering sanctuary some time later with no anchor at all.
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I mean, he kills you, you die, you go to hell, he rules hell. Or maybe not, do humans go to heaven/hell when they die in Sanctuary?
Yeah, I think so. Else what are all those lost souls and crap?
I'm fairly certain those souls only belong to those who've actually interacted with Hell. Fallen sorcerors who summoned demons, dead heroes who fought and died in Hell, corrupted people etc. Not farmer Joe who died from the flu on his farm last winter,
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It was revealed DIABLO wanted to die in D1, because he knew he would get a stronger host. What if he wanted to die in D2 also, (knowing his brother Baal's plans with the worldstone, and assuming victory) he would assume he could retun WITHOUT a human host, being 100% of his demonic self instead of being weaked by even a stronger mortal person.
I'm pretty sure that's something you've read here. If Diablo wanted to die, it would be because his soulstone, for some reason, would not allow him to escape from Tristram otherwise. Which seems really weird, because he's obviously flesh and bones in D1, with the stone in his head, and he still walks around with the stone in his head in D2 and has no problem traversing continents. And obviosly the host wasn't that strong since he discarded it at first opportunity in Kurast.
And it is far fetched. We're stretching the conspiracy theories farther and farther here. This is starting to sound like Lost.
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That isnt what I mean and the soulstone had nothing to do with anything. I said the WORLDSTONE that baal destroyed. And the idea of what was setting back was using a mortal to exist.
In D1, he was weakened by the child he used to take form, and it was revealed he wanted to be slain by a more worth mortal, because then he could influence them to use his soulstone, which they did.
Maybe in D2, that was another milestone to full power, maybe along the way, he realized even though this mortal is much more powerful than the child, being anchored to ANY mortal weakens his form, and only existing as himself alone brings his full power.
THEN diablo finds out Baal intends to destroy the worldstone, and maybe for somereason the destruction of it, will allow diablo to roam free without ANY mortal anchor to weaken him. Maybe he was saying, "I doesnt matter If I die, When Baal destorys your worldstone, ill walk the earth wit no human contaminant."
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In D1, he was weakened by the child he used to take form, and it was revealed he wanted to be slain by a more worth mortal, because then he could influence them to use his soulstone, which they did.
Oh. My bad.
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Maybe in D2, that was another milestone to full power, maybe along the way, he realized even though this mortal is much more powerful than the child, being anchored to ANY mortal weakens his form, and only existing as himself alone brings his full power.
I don't dig these: "I'm gonna die so I can get MORE powerful!" stories, they're just weird. It's like death isn't really something to fear, it's more like a calculated risk, no worse than investing in the stock market. It diminishes the significance of actually killing the demon.
I hope nothing this comes in D3, whether it was in D1 or not. I mean he's running around like a dinosaur in Diablo 1 as well, so don't tell me he needs a stronger body because the one he has is so "weak". He's a big-ass demon. He shots fire and commands an army of demons. He's no weak. And he sure as hell doesn't need a limping human to run around in.
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I dont mean he necessarily means that he wants to die to come back stronger everytime, I mean like.... ahh i dont know how to explain it, any HARRY POTTER FANS? XD I am.. anyway
If you understand, voldemort split his soul into 7 and hid them to make himself "immortal" but each piece that split mad him weaker. Its like, The more PURE diablos actual being is, the more powerful he is in comparison to himself.
Lets almost make this for understanding a relation to.... Ethnicity.
lets say for sakes, that theres 100% of some ethnicity, and combining himself with somone who is 100% another different ethnicity would result in him being 50/50(DIABLO 1, half-strength from being harbored by a child.)
THEN by leaving the child and entering the stronger warrior it would be like taking a 100%ethnicity and combining with somone 50% you and 50% different ethnics, resulting in a 75%combination(DIABLO 2, more strength).
Now, with the worldstone gone, your pure, of 100%your own ethnics, and dont need to combine with anything, your not 50%, not 75%, BUT PURE, 100% NATURAL.
This whole post, is probably pretty hard to understand, but if you do understand, you might get what im getting at. Not, "I want to die" b ut IF I die, i have (HP reference - another piece of soul) one more final chance, IF i die, When the worldstone is destroyed, I can come back pure, no dirty-blood." your final chance. if you die the third time, your done, YOU died, not the mortal, its your LAST chance.
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Well maybe diablo has to be killed a different way, like killing him by the ol' sword and spell, he has to be sent to the abyss or something, or chained for eternity, idk
Its not expeliamus, its avada kedavra! *Blinding green light* lol.
But what I mean altogether in the end, is answer this question.
If diablo was weaker with a weaker mortal, stronger with the wanderer, do you think he would be more pure, more powerfull and all-fearing without needing to bind to a mortal human, do you think it is more of an anchor that weakens him, or just something to do, hop from person to person?
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and for that stupid matter, destroying Ds soulstone set his soul free since it was imprisoned in it, with his soul just roaming around, couldnt it just up and enter somone without the whole forehead-stabbing deal?
lmao, thats why the barbarian is returning! we destory the soulstone and he flies into the barb, thats why he goes nuts from his memories like the wanderer! lmao. We go on to kill ozmodan and beliel for diablo and little did we know, YOU were diablo! dun-duh-dunnnnn! lmao crazy randomness
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Makes sense. I mean Izual told you that no matter what you were doomed. Im sure hell is a little more than brain dead demons walkin around. I never thought of it that way before I think the idea is prerty cool.
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Yea. If we knew more on izual we'd know alot more about this subject in the firstplace, seeing as he did the whole soulstone idea from the beginning he has vital pieces we are missing.
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Well Izual was Tyraels leutenant carier of Azurewrath and went against heavens wishes and attacked the Hellforge and was captured and turned into a demon. He is trusted by neither sides. I think im missing a few things but thats all I can think of off the top of my head right now.
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In D1 Diablo has just been released from his imprisonment. He's still weak at that point, and thus needs a weak host:
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When I awoke my Master from his sleep, he attempted to posses a mortal's form. Diablo attempted to claim the body of King Leoric, but my master was too weak from his imprisonment. My Lord required a simple and innocent anchor to this world, and so found the boy Albrecht perfect for the task.
In D2 he's stronger, so now he goes around freeing his brothers. When they're freed Diablo goes to rule Hell and Baal goes to destroy the Worldstone. I think that their plan all along was to destroy it and that Diablo going into hell is just a way to lure the Hero away from Baal.
Now the Worldstone is destroyed and every demon and angel has the ability to roam Sanctuary free of charge.
The only question I ask is: what happened to Diablo and Mephisto when their soulstones were destroyed? Were they returned to the Burning Hells because the had no foothold in Sanctuary or were their Souls actually crushed?
In D1 Diablo has just been released from his imprisonment. He's still weak at that point, and thus needs a weak host:
In D2 he's stronger, so now he goes around freeing his brothers. When they're freed Diablo goes to rule Hell and Baal goes to destroy the Worldstone. I think that their plan all along was to destroy it and that Diablo going into hell is just a way to lure the Hero away from Baal.
Now the Worldstone is destroyed and every demon and angel has the ability to roam Sanctuary free of charge.
The only question I ask is: what happened to Diablo and Mephisto when their soulstones were destroyed? Were they returned to the Burning Hells because the had no foothold in Sanctuary or were their Souls actually crushed?
worldstone didnt shield sanctuary anymore. it only limited powers of the humans
We smashed, sous got freed. Wasnt it they needed the stones to anchor to sanctuary because the worldstone kept it hidden form most angels and demons. Isnt that why it says now santuary is aware to everyone? I think now they can come to santuary full-power instead of having anchors, like ive said the whole time, and heres my argument.
Mephisto - Shattered stone and implanted in council. His soul was still techniccally partially in each piece, thats what turned them all half-demon-esque. Now that they dont require the stones, his soul isnt split.
Diablo - Was weaker, needed weaker body. Got stronger, stronger body. Now is free, can exist full-powered no human anchor needed.
Baal - Same idea. No anchor needed means no restraint, and his being in sanctuary instead of spirit, because the stones held the SPIRITS.
BUT thinking about it, before we were fighting the SPIRITS from the soulstones, what if we destroy the actual BODY now that it can enter sanctuary. Does it mean destroy demons BODY, -- PERMANENTLY destroy demon???
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What if, cracking open the final seal, "Not even death CAN SAVE YOU FROM ME" Means somethin else? What if Big D KNOWS hes going to be defeated, knows he will be slain, and its a warning? "Not even DEATH(killing ME(Diablo)) can save you from me" Maybe he knows that he will die, and then he knows what we do not? Does he know he will fall once again, and come back a final time years later to destroy us all?
I mean, he kills you, you die, you go to hell, he rules hell. Or maybe not, do humans go to heaven/hell when they die in Sanctuary?
It was revealed DIABLO wanted to die in D1, because he knew he would get a stronger host. What if he wanted to die in D2 also, (knowing his brother Baal's plans with the worldstone, and assuming victory) he would assume he could retun WITHOUT a human host, being 100% of his demonic self instead of being weaked by even a stronger mortal person. Maybe he said or MEANT "Not even killing me, will save you" because, killing him, when Baal destoryes the worldstone, he may return as himself with NO human ancor.
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And yes, I would say you cant be damned to hell without being able to go to heaven also in sanctuary. Otherwise, why wouldnt everyone be a murderer and outlaw? Nomatter what your screwed, lets raise hell.
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I'm fairly certain those souls only belong to those who've actually interacted with Hell. Fallen sorcerors who summoned demons, dead heroes who fought and died in Hell, corrupted people etc. Not farmer Joe who died from the flu on his farm last winter,
I'm pretty sure that's something you've read here. If Diablo wanted to die, it would be because his soulstone, for some reason, would not allow him to escape from Tristram otherwise. Which seems really weird, because he's obviously flesh and bones in D1, with the stone in his head, and he still walks around with the stone in his head in D2 and has no problem traversing continents. And obviosly the host wasn't that strong since he discarded it at first opportunity in Kurast.
And it is far fetched. We're stretching the conspiracy theories farther and farther here. This is starting to sound like Lost.
In D1, he was weakened by the child he used to take form, and it was revealed he wanted to be slain by a more worth mortal, because then he could influence them to use his soulstone, which they did.
Maybe in D2, that was another milestone to full power, maybe along the way, he realized even though this mortal is much more powerful than the child, being anchored to ANY mortal weakens his form, and only existing as himself alone brings his full power.
THEN diablo finds out Baal intends to destroy the worldstone, and maybe for somereason the destruction of it, will allow diablo to roam free without ANY mortal anchor to weaken him. Maybe he was saying, "I doesnt matter If I die, When Baal destorys your worldstone, ill walk the earth wit no human contaminant."
I don't dig these: "I'm gonna die so I can get MORE powerful!" stories, they're just weird. It's like death isn't really something to fear, it's more like a calculated risk, no worse than investing in the stock market. It diminishes the significance of actually killing the demon.
I hope nothing this comes in D3, whether it was in D1 or not. I mean he's running around like a dinosaur in Diablo 1 as well, so don't tell me he needs a stronger body because the one he has is so "weak". He's a big-ass demon. He shots fire and commands an army of demons. He's no weak. And he sure as hell doesn't need a limping human to run around in.
If you understand, voldemort split his soul into 7 and hid them to make himself "immortal" but each piece that split mad him weaker. Its like, The more PURE diablos actual being is, the more powerful he is in comparison to himself.
Lets almost make this for understanding a relation to.... Ethnicity.
lets say for sakes, that theres 100% of some ethnicity, and combining himself with somone who is 100% another different ethnicity would result in him being 50/50(DIABLO 1, half-strength from being harbored by a child.)
THEN by leaving the child and entering the stronger warrior it would be like taking a 100%ethnicity and combining with somone 50% you and 50% different ethnics, resulting in a 75%combination(DIABLO 2, more strength).
Now, with the worldstone gone, your pure, of 100%your own ethnics, and dont need to combine with anything, your not 50%, not 75%, BUT PURE, 100% NATURAL.
This whole post, is probably pretty hard to understand, but if you do understand, you might get what im getting at. Not, "I want to die" b ut IF I die, i have (HP reference - another piece of soul) one more final chance, IF i die, When the worldstone is destroyed, I can come back pure, no dirty-blood." your final chance. if you die the third time, your done, YOU died, not the mortal, its your LAST chance.
But what I mean altogether in the end, is answer this question.
If diablo was weaker with a weaker mortal, stronger with the wanderer, do you think he would be more pure, more powerfull and all-fearing without needing to bind to a mortal human, do you think it is more of an anchor that weakens him, or just something to do, hop from person to person?
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and for that stupid matter, destroying Ds soulstone set his soul free since it was imprisoned in it, with his soul just roaming around, couldnt it just up and enter somone without the whole forehead-stabbing deal?
lmao, thats why the barbarian is returning! we destory the soulstone and he flies into the barb, thats why he goes nuts from his memories like the wanderer! lmao. We go on to kill ozmodan and beliel for diablo and little did we know, YOU were diablo! dun-duh-dunnnnn! lmao crazy randomness
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In D2 he's stronger, so now he goes around freeing his brothers. When they're freed Diablo goes to rule Hell and Baal goes to destroy the Worldstone. I think that their plan all along was to destroy it and that Diablo going into hell is just a way to lure the Hero away from Baal.
Now the Worldstone is destroyed and every demon and angel has the ability to roam Sanctuary free of charge.
The only question I ask is: what happened to Diablo and Mephisto when their soulstones were destroyed? Were they returned to the Burning Hells because the had no foothold in Sanctuary or were their Souls actually crushed?
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worldstone didnt shield sanctuary anymore. it only limited powers of the humans
Yup, my point is moot. But still, I want to know what happened when we smashed the soulstones!
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Mephisto - Shattered stone and implanted in council. His soul was still techniccally partially in each piece, thats what turned them all half-demon-esque. Now that they dont require the stones, his soul isnt split.
Diablo - Was weaker, needed weaker body. Got stronger, stronger body. Now is free, can exist full-powered no human anchor needed.
Baal - Same idea. No anchor needed means no restraint, and his being in sanctuary instead of spirit, because the stones held the SPIRITS.
BUT thinking about it, before we were fighting the SPIRITS from the soulstones, what if we destroy the actual BODY now that it can enter sanctuary. Does it mean destroy demons BODY, -- PERMANENTLY destroy demon???