We don't need a char wipe if we get as reset, NoExplanation- all ladder characters always become nonladder, and so effectively don't interfere with ladder characters at all, anyway.
The ladder will reset when we are nearing summer - I guarantee it.
more like end of summer usually isnt it
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We don't need a char wipe if we get as reset, NoExplanation- all ladder characters always become nonladder, and so effectively don't interfere with ladder characters at all, anyway.
They do not "always" become non ladder. There have been a few times where they have wiped accounts. I would not attempt to correct someone, especially if you are going to offer up that BS statement as an infinite.
With the addition of the new server system they are implementing for upcoming Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, there is no reason that they would not patch Diablo 2 in to test it out. (http://www.battle.net/)
This would add more accountability over all with "CD-Cracks" accountability for user accounts and the start of weeding out the hacks and exploits in preparation for the upcoming releases.
Character wiping is not as far fetched or impossible as you make it seem. They have done it before, I suspect they will do it again. Especially if it is conjunction with a new server release and account handling.
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Naw, the past 2 years the ladder has reset at the beginning of summer. I know this simply because I'm there the day it happens.
USWest Ladder 2 years ago I was the #1 assassin for all of the summer... then college started.
This is something I will never do again... or at least I thought until I did it again last summer. It was more difficult then, though because I had a demanding job.
Grats.. Ever thought of going hardcore? I am looking for another wing man for xfers and watching my back. :cool:
Nice! Played hardcore for the meat of my Diablo 2 play-time. I was tired of being steamrolled by Sorceresses and Amazons in 1.09 which promoted my change to Hardcore. Once 1.10 came out with the new runewords it revolutionized PvP. I play SC now, though, because I enjoy PvP.
They do not "always" become non ladder. There have been a few times where they have wiped accounts.
Please cite some sources, credible ones, with numbers and facts from companies directly associated with Blizzard and/or Battle.net.
I would not attempt to correct someone, especially if you are going to offer up that BS statement as an infinite.
I never said anything was infinite. I never even said it was absolute. However, based on my 9 years of playing Diablo II on Battle.net, this has happened with every single new ladder reset. Please be careful how you chose to phrase what you say- you're trolling at the moment. All I'm offering is friendly and respectful feedback.
Character wiping is not as far fetched or impossible as you make it seem.
Since we've never experienced a mass character wipe, it is. But I never noted it at all, in any way, to seem impossible or anything near it. I only said that I've never experienced one and based on real information, we probably won't ever see one. There's also no need for it. Do not put words in my mouth.
They have done it before, I suspect they will do it again.
A mass character wipe? Source please. Once again, from a reliable source in affiliation with Blizzard and/or Battle.net. The one you cited only gave information regarding new servers to Diablo III and Starcraft II, not Diablo II or anything made earlier.
Especially if it is conjunction with a new server release and account handling.
We aren't getting any new server with Diablo II. Please cite the article. We've never experienced a character wipe with new patches- some of them, the major ones, have come with ladder resets so that characters that have items or statistical abnormalities are wiped from the ladder and cast in to nonladder, where they cannot affect or interact with ladder characters.
more like end of summer usually isnt it
The last reset was in late June. The one before that was in September of the preceding year (the last ladder was a little less than a year, which is what led a lot of people, including myself, on this site to speculate that they were working on something).
I specifically remember one ladder lasting almost two years. I believe that was the one with the major 3-day rust storm when no one could join any games.
They might as well just take it off the Enigma, then, since no one would bother with the repair costs for charges, especially to a level 18 skill, and especially with only 10 charges Not that I mind, I only play sorces, anyway.
They might as well just take it off the Enigma, then, since no one would bother with the repair costs for charges, especially to a level 18 skill, and especially with only 10 charges Not that I mind, I only play sorces, anyway.
Yeah, I can't see Enigma with having less than 10 charges or even having charges in general. Naj's staff has like 55 charges of teleport anyways so that would be rather useless.
I would honestly like to see a battle net over haul - new rune words - more uniques - higher drop rates for hr's because for people like me who got jipped and now have absoulty nothing good to give to my characters, its nearly impossible to do anything in hell so i cant even get anything good. Its a sad circle and it pisses me off that people trick others to get there good stuff. I would also like to see some buffing on the druid's hurricane i find it too weak. I also think that thoes DAM SPAM BOTS BE TAKEN OUT!!!!!!!!!! some times it gets so bad i cant even see the screen.
Please cite some sources, credible ones, with numbers and facts from companies directly associated with Blizzard and/or Battle.net.
I don't have a web link or direct credible source but I can tell you from experience and play time it was during one of the 1.09 sub patches that occurred after mass "Ith" items and duping system plagued the servers.
The additionally added to the wipe, new account system that deleted old accounts and the 11 day character or less deletion.
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I never said anything was infinite. I never even said it was absolute. However, based on my 9 years of playing Diablo II on Battle.net, this has happened with every single new ladder reset. Please be careful how you chose to phrase what you say- you're trolling at the moment. All I'm offering is friendly and respectful feedback.
To split hairs, when you use always, it is an infinite.
Additionally in your 9 years perhaps you do not remember this particular character wipe but it was a wipe. I lost 6 accounts of legit gear and items from Hardcore US West. They were not bumped down to a "non ladder class", they were completely erased.
Since that incident I cannot give you specifics as this was roughly 2002 when it happened. and I did not start playing again until late 2007. In addition, I have been a member to this site and a contributer to this site since before the swap from diablo3 to diablofans, so I not seeing how I could even remotely be considered a "Troll".
If all you are offering is a respectful feedback then perhaps you should attempt to do that insted of wishing to discredit, because you weren't aware.
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..There's also no need for it. Do not put words in my mouth. A mass character wipe? Source please. Once again, from a reliable source in affiliation with Blizzard and/or Battle.net. The one you cited only gave information regarding new servers to Diablo III and Starcraft II, not Diablo II or anything made earlier.
There is no source. This was an educated guess on my part. I had worked in the computer gaming industry for a little over 7 years. I do have a bit of insight when it comes to changing all new systems.
It has been Blizzards plan to launch Starcraft 2 onto a new Battle.net platform. The old system is not nearly advanced enough to support the new. I am not going to do your research for you, there are plenty of topics of this within the Blizzard starcraft 2 forums. If you wish for a link, I suggest you look there.
My educated guess would be that this would include Diablo 3 since they will roughly be launched within a close enough time frame that would support both games. It would only make sense this way, as it would cost way to much to have two different online server platforms.
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We aren't getting any new server with Diablo II. Please cite the article. We've never experienced a character wipe with new patches- some of them, the major ones, have come with ladder resets so that characters that have items or statistical abnormalities are wiped from the ladder and cast in to nonladder, where they cannot affect or interact with ladder characters.
The last reset was in late June. The one before that was in September of the preceding year (the last ladder was a little less than a year, which is what led a lot of people, including myself, on this site to speculate that they were working on something).
I specifically remember one ladder lasting almost two years. I believe that was the one with the major 3-day rust storm when no one could join any games.
There is nothing directly related from Blizzard to support my guess. The only thing that I offer as circumstantial evidence to the possiblility of, is the recent changes they have added to the new battle.net site.
It would appear to me they are currently looking for a new system to incorporate all their games and to add accountability.
Supporting circumstantial evidence:
Encrypted HL_Keys
Adding Account Key support to Battle.net
Increasing account Bans for users caught with 3rd party programs
Lastly, I may be a bit edgy and abrassive, but I am deffinately not a troll. I have had my boughts with a few others on this site. A few have been with now moderators (Equinox, she's still one of my favorites). All have been with one key importance, to add information to this site.
My posts sole purpose was to correct that it has not been "always" and that my insight is that it could very well be possible.
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I have characters still from pre expansion, so if there was a wipe they missed a few ^^.
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I think what may have happened in your case is that your accounts were tagged with botting software. How this happened, I don't know - but it happens. This is the only thing I can think of to cause what you say happened. I have never, ever, experienced what you have any any single reset. I have never lost any of my legit items (which is 99% of everything I get) for all 8 or so years I've played.
There is no reliable source for whatever happened to you because it seems like an aberration to the ladder reset process. They specifically state what a latter reset does. I feel that you were on the receiving end of an unfavorable artifact.
I don't have a web link or direct credible source but I can tell you from experience and play time it was during one of the 1.09 sub patches that occurred after mass "Ith" items and duping system plagued the servers.
From my experience, I don't recall that, either. So we have two equal sources conflicting.
The additionally added to the wipe, new account system that deleted old accounts and the 11 day character or less deletion.
See above.
To split hairs, when you use always, it is an infinite.
Yeah, I realized that. Sorry, you're right.
Additionally in your 9 years perhaps you do not remember this particular character wipe but it was a wipe. I lost 6 accounts of legit gear and items from Hardcore US West. They were not bumped down to a "non ladder class", they were completely erased.
Have an image capture of it? Sorry for your loss, but since I've never experienced it, and since I've never heard of it before, that doesn't sound truthful.
Since that incident I cannot give you specifics as this was roughly 2002 when it happened.
Yep, I was playing in late 2000 and don't recall this at all. Maybe it just only targeted certain players, but I can tell you it never happened to me.
and I did not start playing again until late 2007.
Then you'll be glad to be informed that nothing of the sort happened in those 5 years.
In addition, I have been a member to this site and a contributer to this site since before the swap from diablo3 to diablofans, so I not seeing how I could even remotely be considered a "Troll".
Calling other people's posts "BS" is trolling, and, technically, flaming. I could quote the rules and everything, but that would be off topic. If you want to continue this aspect of the conversation, please PM me.
If all you are offering is a respectful feedback then perhaps you should attempt to do that insted of wishing to discredit, because you weren't aware.
I never said I "wished your discredit". I 1) offered information to help you, 2) didn't use any purposefuly derrogatory words or connotations, and 3) said, "All I'm offering is friendly and respectful feedback.".
There is no source. This was an educated guess on my part. I had worked in the computer gaming industry for a little over 7 years. I do have a bit of insight when it comes to changing all new systems.
Diablo II isn't going to a new system. Diablo III and Starcraft II are being instituted in new systems. Diablo II, I, and Starcraft I are not being put in new systems.
It has been Blizzards plan to launch Starcraft 2 onto a new Battle.net platform. The old system is not nearly advanced enough to support the new. I am not going to do your research for you, there are plenty of topics of this within the Blizzard starcraft 2 forums. If you wish for a link, I suggest you look there.
I was never arguing that the new games would work on the new system. I said that the old games are not going to work on the new system. They're still going to operate the same way and aren't getting new servers.
My educated guess would be that this would include Diablo 3 since they will roughly be launched within a close enough time frame that would support both games. It would only make sense this way, as it would cost way to much to have two different online server platforms.
See above. We've been talking about Diablo II, not Diablo III.
There is nothing directly related from Blizzard to support my guess. The only thing that I offer as circumstantial evidence to the possiblility of, is the recent changes they have added to the new battle.net site.
The new battle.net site has only affected WoW so far, and the plans are that it will only work in conjunction with newer games. Diablo II, I, and Starcraft I will all still work only on the old site. See their FAQ for more information: http://us.battle.net/faq/index.html:
Quote from Blizzard »
Q: I already have a classic Battle.net account that I made for StarCraft, Warcraft III, and/or Diablo II. Can I just use that?
A: No, the new Battle.net Accounts are separate from classic Battle.net accounts for StarCraft, Warcraft III, and Diablo II. To allow for the Battle.net features we have planned, we?ve built the new Battle.net Account system from the ground up for World of Warcraft and upcoming games such as StarCraft II and Diablo III. In order to play Warcraft III, Diablo II, and StarCraft on Battle.net, you will still need to log in using your ?classic? Battle.net login information.
It would appear to me they are currently looking for a new system to incorporate all their games and to add accountability.
See above quote from Blizzard.
Supporting circumstantial evidence:
Encrypted HL_Keys
Adding Account Key support to Battle.net
Increasing account Bans for users caught with 3rd party programs
Those are all only functions of the new battle.net which, as I've said and quoted, is only being used for WoW and newer titles. Older games will not have that functionality.
Lastly, I may be a bit edgy and abrassive, but I am deffinately not a troll. I have had my boughts with a few others on this site. A few have been with now moderators (Equinox, she's still one of my favorites). All have been with one key importance, to add information to this site.
Then I'm sure you won't have an issue with not speaking condescendingly and abrasively against people of differing opinions who are only offering facts and figures to help you in the future. Calling someone else's intended helpful post bullshit is not how to go about this.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to keep talking about servers and mass wipes, please post in another thread, as that topic is off topic. The topic is patch 1.13 and its coming changes.
So what does everyone not only hope, but think will come of this patch?
Personally, I'd like to see some sort of content leading into Diablo III. Another quest or two would be definite pluses.
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Overhaul on the Battle.net system to the new Battle.net with server protection from hacks, exploits and 3rd party macro programs.
Character wiping and new ladder progression.
Some minor re-balancing of character specs and more rune word gear.
http://us.battle.net...ile/vadle-1714/
http://us.battle.net...4/hero/34530475
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
The ladder will reset when we are nearing summer - I guarantee it.
they'll never see me coming..
life is a sequence of tragedies, inconsistent only by fleeting, elusive moments of pleasure,
serving only to ensure absolute vulnerability to the pain of their inevitable absence.
They do not "always" become non ladder. There have been a few times where they have wiped accounts. I would not attempt to correct someone, especially if you are going to offer up that BS statement as an infinite.
With the addition of the new server system they are implementing for upcoming Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, there is no reason that they would not patch Diablo 2 in to test it out. (http://www.battle.net/)
This would add more accountability over all with "CD-Cracks" accountability for user accounts and the start of weeding out the hacks and exploits in preparation for the upcoming releases.
Character wiping is not as far fetched or impossible as you make it seem. They have done it before, I suspect they will do it again. Especially if it is conjunction with a new server release and account handling.
http://us.battle.net...ile/vadle-1714/
http://us.battle.net...4/hero/34530475
Naw, the past 2 years the ladder has reset at the beginning of summer. I know this simply because I'm there the day it happens.
USWest Ladder 2 years ago I was the #1 assassin for all of the summer... then college started.
This is something I will never do again... or at least I thought until I did it again last summer. It was more difficult then, though because I had a demanding job.
Grats.. Ever thought of going hardcore? I am looking for another wing man for xfers and watching my back. :cool:
http://us.battle.net...ile/vadle-1714/
http://us.battle.net...4/hero/34530475
Nice! Played hardcore for the meat of my Diablo 2 play-time. I was tired of being steamrolled by Sorceresses and Amazons in 1.09 which promoted my change to Hardcore. Once 1.10 came out with the new runewords it revolutionized PvP. I play SC now, though, because I enjoy PvP.
Please cite some sources, credible ones, with numbers and facts from companies directly associated with Blizzard and/or Battle.net.
I never said anything was infinite. I never even said it was absolute. However, based on my 9 years of playing Diablo II on Battle.net, this has happened with every single new ladder reset. Please be careful how you chose to phrase what you say- you're trolling at the moment. All I'm offering is friendly and respectful feedback.
Since we've never experienced a mass character wipe, it is. But I never noted it at all, in any way, to seem impossible or anything near it. I only said that I've never experienced one and based on real information, we probably won't ever see one. There's also no need for it. Do not put words in my mouth. A mass character wipe? Source please. Once again, from a reliable source in affiliation with Blizzard and/or Battle.net. The one you cited only gave information regarding new servers to Diablo III and Starcraft II, not Diablo II or anything made earlier.
We aren't getting any new server with Diablo II. Please cite the article. We've never experienced a character wipe with new patches- some of them, the major ones, have come with ladder resets so that characters that have items or statistical abnormalities are wiped from the ladder and cast in to nonladder, where they cannot affect or interact with ladder characters.
The last reset was in late June. The one before that was in September of the preceding year (the last ladder was a little less than a year, which is what led a lot of people, including myself, on this site to speculate that they were working on something).
I specifically remember one ladder lasting almost two years. I believe that was the one with the major 3-day rust storm when no one could join any games.
Yeah, I can't see Enigma with having less than 10 charges or even having charges in general. Naj's staff has like 55 charges of teleport anyways so that would be rather useless.
I don't have a web link or direct credible source but I can tell you from experience and play time it was during one of the 1.09 sub patches that occurred after mass "Ith" items and duping system plagued the servers.
The additionally added to the wipe, new account system that deleted old accounts and the 11 day character or less deletion.
To split hairs, when you use always, it is an infinite.
Additionally in your 9 years perhaps you do not remember this particular character wipe but it was a wipe. I lost 6 accounts of legit gear and items from Hardcore US West. They were not bumped down to a "non ladder class", they were completely erased.
Since that incident I cannot give you specifics as this was roughly 2002 when it happened. and I did not start playing again until late 2007. In addition, I have been a member to this site and a contributer to this site since before the swap from diablo3 to diablofans, so I not seeing how I could even remotely be considered a "Troll".
If all you are offering is a respectful feedback then perhaps you should attempt to do that insted of wishing to discredit, because you weren't aware.
There is no source. This was an educated guess on my part. I had worked in the computer gaming industry for a little over 7 years. I do have a bit of insight when it comes to changing all new systems.
It has been Blizzards plan to launch Starcraft 2 onto a new Battle.net platform. The old system is not nearly advanced enough to support the new. I am not going to do your research for you, there are plenty of topics of this within the Blizzard starcraft 2 forums. If you wish for a link, I suggest you look there.
My educated guess would be that this would include Diablo 3 since they will roughly be launched within a close enough time frame that would support both games. It would only make sense this way, as it would cost way to much to have two different online server platforms.
There is nothing directly related from Blizzard to support my guess. The only thing that I offer as circumstantial evidence to the possiblility of, is the recent changes they have added to the new battle.net site.
It would appear to me they are currently looking for a new system to incorporate all their games and to add accountability.
Supporting circumstantial evidence:
My posts sole purpose was to correct that it has not been "always" and that my insight is that it could very well be possible.
http://us.battle.net...ile/vadle-1714/
http://us.battle.net...4/hero/34530475
I think what may have happened in your case is that your accounts were tagged with botting software. How this happened, I don't know - but it happens. This is the only thing I can think of to cause what you say happened. I have never, ever, experienced what you have any any single reset. I have never lost any of my legit items (which is 99% of everything I get) for all 8 or so years I've played.
There is no reliable source for whatever happened to you because it seems like an aberration to the ladder reset process. They specifically state what a latter reset does. I feel that you were on the receiving end of an unfavorable artifact.
From my experience, I don't recall that, either. So we have two equal sources conflicting.
See above.
Yeah, I realized that. Sorry, you're right.
Have an image capture of it? Sorry for your loss, but since I've never experienced it, and since I've never heard of it before, that doesn't sound truthful.
Yep, I was playing in late 2000 and don't recall this at all. Maybe it just only targeted certain players, but I can tell you it never happened to me.
Then you'll be glad to be informed that nothing of the sort happened in those 5 years.
Calling other people's posts "BS" is trolling, and, technically, flaming. I could quote the rules and everything, but that would be off topic. If you want to continue this aspect of the conversation, please PM me.
I never said I "wished your discredit". I 1) offered information to help you, 2) didn't use any purposefuly derrogatory words or connotations, and 3) said, "All I'm offering is friendly and respectful feedback.".
Diablo II isn't going to a new system. Diablo III and Starcraft II are being instituted in new systems. Diablo II, I, and Starcraft I are not being put in new systems.
I was never arguing that the new games would work on the new system. I said that the old games are not going to work on the new system. They're still going to operate the same way and aren't getting new servers.
See above. We've been talking about Diablo II, not Diablo III.
The new battle.net site has only affected WoW so far, and the plans are that it will only work in conjunction with newer games. Diablo II, I, and Starcraft I will all still work only on the old site. See their FAQ for more information: http://us.battle.net/faq/index.html:
See above quote from Blizzard.
Those are all only functions of the new battle.net which, as I've said and quoted, is only being used for WoW and newer titles. Older games will not have that functionality.
Then I'm sure you won't have an issue with not speaking condescendingly and abrasively against people of differing opinions who are only offering facts and figures to help you in the future. Calling someone else's intended helpful post bullshit is not how to go about this.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to keep talking about servers and mass wipes, please post in another thread, as that topic is off topic. The topic is patch 1.13 and its coming changes.