I fear Monk's status in PvP.

  • #1
    Hello everyone!

    So after a very long time I've made a choice of either going Monk or Wizard. Not sure what I'm going to go for first though, but discussing this specific issue might help me out a lot.

    I worry that the damage output of the Monk would be reduced due to his ability to heal. I like the Monk class regardless of its healing powers. So I want to be sure that my damage would be the same as a Barb's \ Wizard's if executed correctly. I can't seem to shake off the "Pure DPS class" issue off my head.

    Or even WORSE. No matter what game I play, I always end up choosing the underdog class, that does the least damage and needs to work the hardest to justify itself, and even more worse then that, I always end up healing because of that, and I'm tired of it. I don't want to be pushed into a corner I can't get out of where I'm, considering me being a Monk, I'm forced to bring a fuckton of healing spells on my bar just to justify my place in the arena, or not be taken at all since I will do less damage then other classes.

    Also, regarding moving impaling effects (slows, etc), what are your thoughts about trying to catch a DH, Wiz, or a WD? seems like except for Dashing strike (which is utterly amazing, TOO amazing if you ask me, which I fear of it getting nerfed) we have no means of getting to our target.

    I don't want to be a support class that is only being brought because of its Auras, or utilities in general. For once, I want to take names (ears) and kick some ass and enjoy the game.

    What are your opinions on this?
  • #2
    I fear you think this is an MMO....You are not going be stuck being a pure support or pure healer....it just wont happen. However, a monk is a supporting characters (With heals etc) and you may not be playing to maximum efficiency without those skills. Every class will be able to have great damage output, but if you want to be a glass cannon monk might not be the best choice for you.
  • #3
    Quote from Ieatroflwafflz

    I fear you think this is an MMO....You are not going be stuck being a pure support or pure healer....it just wont happen. However, a monk is a supporting characters (With heals etc) and you may not be playing to maximum efficiency without those skills. Every class will be able to have great damage output, but if you want to be a glass cannon monk might not be the best choice for you.


    Thats just the thing. WHY can't I be a glass cannon Monk? It's quite frustrating. And I know its not a MMO. I played D2 for a long, long time and WoW for quite a while. BECAUSE of that I fear this.

    I'm hoping I can go full face-ripping mode same as a barb can go a bit more "tanky" for arena. But considering it can wield x2 2 handers, I'm having quite a hard time imagining how this is going to be possible.
  • #4
    Quote from Malkishua

    Quote from Ieatroflwafflz

    I fear you think this is an MMO....You are not going be stuck being a pure support or pure healer....it just wont happen. However, a monk is a supporting characters (With heals etc) and you may not be playing to maximum efficiency without those skills. Every class will be able to have great damage output, but if you want to be a glass cannon monk might not be the best choice for you.


    Thats just the thing. WHY can't I be a glass cannon Monk? It's quite frustrating. And I know its not a MMO. I played D2 for a long, long time and WoW for quite a while. BECAUSE of that I fear this.

    I'm hoping I can go full face-ripping mode same as a barb can go a bit more "tanky" for arena. But considering it can wield x2 2 handers, I'm having quite a hard time imagining how this is going to be possible.


    wtf are you talking about? No one can wield 2x 2-handers...

    Also Monks will be just fine in dps/pvp... in fact i'm thinking monk will be a better tank than the barbarian.

    Monks get high dodge - dodge negates ALL damage and snaring effects. They then have a passive that allows them to turn their dexterity into armor - allowing them to have high armor.

    Monks then have good dps abilities and combos allowing them to output just as much damage as any other class. Just be warned that monk is going to the hardest class to properly master.
  • #5
    Quote from Malkishua


    Thats just the thing. WHY can't I be a glass cannon Monk? It's quite frustrating. And I know its not a MMO. I played D2 for a long, long time and WoW for quite a while. BECAUSE of that I fear this.



    I never said you could not be a glass cannon monk...it is probably just not optimal. Wizards and Barbarians have single skills that hit for over 1600% weapon damage. Monks highest i believe is more like 900%. However, monks do attack faster and gain speed / attack speed / damage buffs on skills that they use to be able to become a glass cannon. It is just not very believable that you will be able to go 6 damage skills that only buff damage and survive anything in hell or inferno. You are not a ranged class that can dodge every spell, you will need to play defensive.

    Ask yourself, is a "glass cannon" an insta-gib character or a character that puts out massive damage... because monks can definitively put out damage, look at exploding palm, you can chain that and make countless enemies explode(based on % of THEIR health) this does massive damage toward the end of the game. Barbarians however, have a skill with a 2 minute cooldown, that costs nothing(if runed) that does 1600 damage in an AOE....it can be the very first move you do, sure you can die after but that is still a "glass-cannon". It just depends on your playstyle.

    Personally i see monk as a more steady, steady -> Burst. class. while barbarian and wizard are more use everything you have, run in circles and wait for regen / cooldowns. I do not know enough about witch doctor / demon hunter to correctly talk about them soo :P
  • #6
    Quote from Sabvre

    Quote from Malkishua

    Quote from Ieatroflwafflz

    I fear you think this is an MMO....You are not going be stuck being a pure support or pure healer....it just wont happen. However, a monk is a supporting characters (With heals etc) and you may not be playing to maximum efficiency without those skills. Every class will be able to have great damage output, but if you want to be a glass cannon monk might not be the best choice for you.


    Thats just the thing. WHY can't I be a glass cannon Monk? It's quite frustrating. And I know its not a MMO. I played D2 for a long, long time and WoW for quite a while. BECAUSE of that I fear this.

    I'm hoping I can go full face-ripping mode same as a barb can go a bit more "tanky" for arena. But considering it can wield x2 2 handers, I'm having quite a hard time imagining how this is going to be possible.


    wtf are you talking about? No one can wield 2x 2-handers...

    Also Monks will be just fine in dps/pvp... in fact i'm thinking monk will be a better tank than the barbarian.

    Monks get high dodge - dodge negates ALL damage and snaring effects. They then have a passive that allows them to turn their dexterity into armor - allowing them to have high armor.

    Monks then have good dps abilities and combos allowing them to output just as much damage as any other class. Just be warned that monk is going to the hardest class to properly master.


    Mighty Weapons
  • #7
    force said that he is a dps WITH healing abilities but he is not a healer ;P and this game is all about the equipment broham :)
  • #8
    No Class will be able to performe its best in PvP when no defensive skills are used. The same goes for Monk.

    Its just so that Monk has heals as defensive skills (and other ofc).

    So you want to go in the Arena without defensive skills (heals)? No problem, but no one will do this cause its stupid.
  • #9
    Quote from Kijubei

    No Class will be able to performe its best in PvP when no defensive skills are used. The same goes for Monk.

    Its just so that Monk has heals as defensive skills (and other ofc).

    So you want to go in the Arena without defensive skills (heals)? No problem, but no one will do this cause its stupid.


    I didn't say that. As defense I'm counting on skills that I like more like Blinding Flash, Dashing Strike (to move away), Serenity, etc.
  • #10
    It sounds to me like every time you fail to play your class...
  • #11
    Quote from Ravendarke

    It sounds to me like every time you fail to play your class...


    Troll much?
    Try playing Feral Druid in Cataclysm heroic bosses, then report back.
    Especially without the latest set bonuses.
  • #12
    Quote from Malkishua

    Mighty Weapons


    Um yeah... since when did barbarian dual wield mighty weapons? Have you even played beta?
  • #13
    Quote from Sabvre

    Quote from Malkishua

    Mighty Weapons


    Um yeah... since when did barbarian dual wield mighty weapons? Have you even played beta?


    Um yeah.. Mighty weapons are also 1 handers. Have you ever read items page?
  • #14
    lol at noob who said have you ever seen barbs duel wield mighty weapons
  • #15
    Quote from Malkishua

    Quote from Kijubei

    No Class will be able to performe its best in PvP when no defensive skills are used. The same goes for Monk.

    Its just so that Monk has heals as defensive skills (and other ofc).

    So you want to go in the Arena without defensive skills (heals)? No problem, but no one will do this cause its stupid.


    I didn't say that. As defense I'm counting on skills that I like more like Blinding Flash, Dashing Strike (to move away), Serenity, etc.


    Monk is the only class that actually heal itself (outside of life leech). If you properly use serenity and breath of heaven you have the ability to be a WoW Pally (with their bubble + self heal).

    Barbarian can stun then self heal with life leech.

    etc


    Quote from HoobaGooblin

    lol at noob who said have you ever seen barbs duel wield mighty weapons


    Name a mighty weapon in beta that can be dual wielded? Pretty sure you are comparing d2 to d3... and you call ME the noob?
  • #17
    Quote from HoobaGooblin

    lol at noob who said have you ever seen barbs duel wield mighty weapons


    ONE HANDER mighty weapon.
    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/mighty-weapon-1h/
  • #18
    wasnt it obvious i was agreeing i have beta access i have played countless hours oh and btw mighty weapons- the sickle you can duel wield
  • #19
    Quote from HoobaGooblin

    wasnt it obvious i was agreeing i have beta access i have played countless hours


    Quoted wrong guy, my apologies :3
  • #21
    its ok some of these people are scrubs who cant read
  • #22
    Quote from Malkishua

    Quote from HoobaGooblin

    lol at noob who said have you ever seen barbs duel wield mighty weapons


    ONE HANDER mighty weapon.
    http://eu.battle.net...ghty-weapon-1h/


    Ok ... i guess you got me there. I was unaware sickle was considered a mighty weapon.

    Still ... i don't think mighty weapons will out dps other weapons as much as you think.
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