No exploit needed. It is a Diablo game, and it is meant to be soloable. 3 Barbarians and a monk all veterans of the Diablo playstyle playing for at least a week straight should have no problems beating hell mode and that leaves another week to topple Inferno.
They specifically stated that Inferno should take people 2~3 months, unless people make use of exploits and such. That was the whole reason they revised their statement from it being unable to be beaten to farmable. So, I still maintain that unless you find an exploit...you're not likely to be able to do it. You are welcome to prove me wrong. Honestly though, I don't really care how long it takes you. I don't play the game to see who can get there first and won't even play launch night as I work. I just don't care about your competitive nature, but I do think you overestimate yourself greatly.
No exploit needed. It is a Diablo game, and it is meant to be soloable. 3 Barbarians and a monk all veterans of the Diablo playstyle playing for at least a week straight should have no problems beating hell mode and that leaves another week to topple Inferno.
They specifically stated that Inferno should take people 2~3 months, unless people make use of exploits and such. That was the whole reason they revised their statement from it being unable to be beaten to farmable. So, I still maintain that unless you find an exploit...you're not likely to be able to do it. You are welcome to prove me wrong. Honestly though, I don't really care how long it takes you. I don't play the game to see who can get there first and won't even play launch night as I work. I just don't care about your competitive nature, but I do think you overestimate yourself greatly.
Riiight. Here we go again. "BUT BLIZZARD SAID". Dude, I don't give a shit what Blizzard says. They are in the business to make money. They arn't going to make money if they come out and say "Well, our game can be beaten in 2 weeks by dedicated gamers."
Riiight. Here we go again. "BUT BLIZZARD SAID". Dude, I don't give a shit what Blizzard says. They are in the business to make money. They arn't going to make money if they come out and say "Well, our game can be beaten in 2 weeks by dedicated gamers."
Have you played Inferno? I highly doubt you're part of internal testing. Since the internal testers that have played Diablo 3 for years now are stating that it'll likely take 2~3 months, I'm willing to accept that it might actually take that long. Seems like a pretty awesome challenge if they did achieve that level of difficulty. Until it comes out though, neither of us can really know. So the only thing we can possibly go by is Blizzard's word. Anything you say to the contrary is just you fluffing your ego.
Riiight. Here we go again. "BUT BLIZZARD SAID". Dude, I don't give a shit what Blizzard says. They are in the business to make money. They arn't going to make money if they come out and say "Well, our game can be beaten in 2 weeks by dedicated gamers."
Have you played Inferno? I highly doubt you're part of internal testing. Since the internal testers that have played Diablo 3 for years now are stating that it'll likely take 2~3 months, I'm willing to accept that it might actually take that long. Seems like a pretty awesome challenge if they did achieve that level of difficulty. Until it comes out though, neither of us can really know. So the only thing we can possibly go by is Blizzard's word. Anything you say to the contrary is just you fluffing your ego.
Right so how long did I take people to beat WoW raids? I don't even play WoW, but even I heard of how fast people shit on Blizzards "Hard content".
How many bugs and glitches and infinites are found in Capcoms fighting games? The same company that says their QA team are better players then the top EVO players?
Take anything regarding difficulty with a grain of salt. Obviously you need to start Diablo again and tell me how hard it is.
Right so how long did I take people to beat WoW raids? I don't even play WoW, but even I heard of how fast people shit on Blizzards "Hard content".
How many bugs and glitches and infinites are found in Capcoms fighting games? The same company that says their QA team are better players then the top EVO players?
Take anything regarding difficulty with a grain of salt. Obviously you need to start Diablo again and tell me how hard it is.
Depends on the content. Generally 'hard~modes' do take quite awhile by the average player. Even the most hardcore of groups can take weeks to accomplish it. However, there is a big difference between people beating a new instance in a game they already know very well, and beating a brand new game with new mechanics and a ton of unknowns. Noone knows the mechanics of the end~game of Diablo 3 right now beyond the internal testing team. So until people experience Infernal difficulty, we won't possibly be able to know... and stating that you can do it no problem is just you fluffing your ego more.
Right so how long did I take people to beat WoW raids? I don't even play WoW, but even I heard of how fast people shit on Blizzards "Hard content".
How many bugs and glitches and infinites are found in Capcoms fighting games? The same company that says their QA team are better players then the top EVO players?
Take anything regarding difficulty with a grain of salt. Obviously you need to start Diablo again and tell me how hard it is.
Depends on the content. Generally 'hard~modes' do take quite awhile by the average player. Even the most hardcore of groups can take weeks to accomplish it. However, there is a big difference between people beating a new instance in a game they already know very well, and beating a brand new game with new mechanics and a ton of unknowns. Noone knows the mechanics of the end~game of Diablo 3 right now beyond the internal testing team. So until people experience Infernal difficulty, we won't possibly be able to know... and stating that you can do it no problem is just you fluffing your ego more.
Right so this new game is apparently COMPLETELY different from any Diablo game. It shares no same mechanics, no similar mechanics at all. I love your logic. It is also apparently IMPOSSIBLE to learn the game quicker then 3-4 months. Good stuff.
Right so this new game is apparently COMPLETELY different from any Diablo game. It shares no same mechanics, no similar mechanics at all. I love your logic. It is also apparently IMPOSSIBLE to learn the game quicker then 3-4 months. Good stuff.
Putting words in my mouth? Words that I have actually contradicted myself? Diablo 3 does share similarities with WoW in a lot of ways. However, as we don't even know what kind of mechanics exist at the high end at all...it's hard to make any judgement calls as to how difficult things will play out. I never said it would be impossible to do, I fully expect people to find ways to make it happen. However, I don't think that those methods will represent the majority. As all I hear from you is "I'm amazing..." I can hardly believe you're an exception to the majority. You might be and you may very well prove me wrong and beat Inferno in a couple weeks. Will I care? Nope.
Thanks to all of those supporting me in this thread. I hope you know the one thing in our way is Blizzards unwillingness to support a major part of Diablo 3, the PvP. Also the people who believe whatever Blizzard says. I think that is bad management on their part, because if they don't the game won't be able to flourish. That us why I created thus thread to convince people of this and through them Blizzard.
I have never posted anything I would go back on. I support both PvE and PvP and believe you can have competitive PvP without affecting the rest if the game. You guys seem to overlook the fact that you are greatly affecting the PvP.
As for the specifics of balancing the game without nerfing the PvE, Blizzard can do it but is not going to do so because of ridiculous reasons. Such as it is "confusing to the players" and is insulting to the community.
I have watched and played the PvP and I am certain it would make a great eSports, to play and to watch. Once everyone plays it I think they would feel the same.
When the PvP comes out I will enjoy talking about every detail about how and why it will make a good eSport when others can also experience the PvP and not feel satisfied about it.
If your not here to support this thread then you must be greedy PvE'ers. Seriously you already have the game for a whole year without PvP. You already have your Inferno and your two expansions that will come out. What more could you want that you are already given? All we want is a fully functioning PvP system, not some half-ass casual crap. Instead of respecting the thread on the PVP FOURMS and trying to support it, you come in here with only one solid argument, "Blizzard said so". I don't go to your threads and say "inferno is not casual enough" or some other crap just to make you mad. Frankly you guys are killing the game. Will it be good? Ya. Will it be great? Not by a long shot. Without competitive PvP I doubt they will get past the first expansion or even that far. They got their golden egg and they don't want to share.
If Jay Wilson would have said "ya it is going to be a very competitive PvP", there would be no threads on "why can't it be a casual PvP". I could point all the blame towards Jay Wilson but really it is all of you people who listen to that crap.
Thanks to all of those supporting me in this thread. I hope you know the one thing in our way is Blizzards unwillingness to support a major part of Diablo 3, the PvP. Also the people who believe whatever Blizzard says. I think that is bad management on their part, because if they don't the game won't be able to flourish. That us why I created thus thread to convince people of this and through them Blizzard.
I have never posted anything I would go back on. I support both PvE and PvP and believe you can have competitive PvP without affecting the rest if the game. You guys seem to overlook the fact that you are greatly affecting the PvP.
As for the specifics of balancing the game without nerfing the PvE, Blizzard can do it but is not going to do so because of ridiculous reasons. Such as it is "confusing to the players" and is insulting to the community.
I have watched and played the PvP and I am certain it would make a great eSports, to play and to watch. Once everyone plays it I think they would feel the same.
When the PvP comes out I will enjoy talking about every detail about how and why it will make a good eSport when others can also experience the PvP and not feel satisfied about it.
If your not here to support this thread then you must be greedy PvE'ers. Seriously you already have the game for a whole year without PvP. You already have your Inferno and your two expansions that will come out. What more could you want that you are already given? All we want is a fully functioning PvP system, not some half-ass casual crap. Instead of respecting the thread on the PVP FOURMS and trying to support it, you come in here with only one solid argument, "Blizzard said so". I don't go to your threads and say "inferno is not casual enough" or some other crap just to make you mad. Frankly you guys are killing the game. Will it be good? Ya. Will it be great? Not by a long shot. Without competitive PvP I doubt they will get past the first expansion or even that far. They got their golden egg and they don't want to share.
If Jay Wilson would have said "ya it is going to be a very competitive PvP", there would be no threads on "why can't it be a casual PvP". I could point all the blame towards Jay Wilson but really it is all of you people who listen to that crap.
jaco, it is Blizzard's game. There needs to be little other reasons other then 'they said so' honestly. However, if you actually read the posts that Blizzard has posted...they actually explain why they made the decisions that they have made. Here's a link so that you can read it for yourself. I love how you keep saying its Jay Wilson that decided all this as well, when Jay specifically stated that it was the developers that chose a more casual route for PvP.
They aren't neglecting PvP, they just aren't making PvP the way YOU want it. Funny thing is, they are making PvP in a way that many other people want. So your desires trump ours? I'm sorry, but when the overall focus of the game is co~op and the majority of players side with that focus, it seems that the majority's desires should be the desires that Blizzard focuses on. Guess what?! They are!
This game will likely last 2 expansions, maybe more...depending on how much material Blizzard has for the setting. Inferno will keep the majority of players challenged and the random events will keep each play~through different. On top of that, a casual PvP system where you can jump into battle with random players in matched battles purely for entertainment will add even more replay value to the game. It doesn't need competitive PvP in order to be fun, it's got plenty of fun already..and more to come.
Edit: I'd like to add that you keep trying to state that people like myself don't deserve to talk about PvP, when I clearly have an interest in the PvP system being showcased for Diablo 3. I'm sorry, but just because I'm actually for the route that Blizzard has taken doesn't mean I hate PvP. I have just as much right to talk about PvP as you do, if not more...as I actually want the PvP system that Blizzard is offering.
Wow strong words. You are over stating and twisting what I am saying. I basically just want competitive PvP/eSports and I have listed reasons how and why it should be. It is not like PvE'ers don't have a right to post on PvP forums what they don't have the right to do is come in and harass the PvP forums. They don't give anyone a chance to talk about it they immediately start arguing and complaining. Without even considering it or trying to be open-minded about it. Even after you had stated your argument you keep going on about it and now it is pointless and flawed.
Wow strong words. You are over stating and twisting what I am saying. I basically just want competitive PvP/eSports and I have listed reasons how and why it should be. It is not like PvE'ers don't have a right to post on PvP forums what they don't have the right to do is come in and harass the PvP forums. They don't give anyone a chance to talk about it they immediately start arguing and complaining. Without even considering it or trying to be open-minded about it. Even after you had stated your argument you keep going on about it and now it is pointless and flawed.
Exactly. They are broken records. They have no opinions or words of their own they just spew whatever Blizzard sends out. It is illegal to have a different opinion or view about the game then the almighty Blizzard. After all a developer has NEVER made design errors (Diablo 2?). Thanks for playing kids.
Exactly. They are broken records. They have no opinions or words of their own they just spew whatever Blizzard sends out. It is illegal to have a different opinion or view about the game then the almighty Blizzard. After all a developer has NEVER made design errors (Diablo 2?). Thanks for playing kids.
~laughs~ You say that I'm a broken record? You who continually repeat the same complaints over and over, ignoring the reasons Blizzard actually made their decisions. Right.... I'm totally the one being a broken record.
Wow strong words. You are over stating and twisting what I am saying. I basically just want competitive PvP/eSports and I have listed reasons how and why it should be. It is not like PvE'ers don't have a right to post on PvP forums what they don't have the right to do is come in and harass the PvP forums. They don't give anyone a chance to talk about it they immediately start arguing and complaining. Without even considering it or trying to be open-minded about it. Even after you had stated your argument you keep going on about it and now it is pointless and flawed.
You've gotten a chance to talk about it. What do you think you've been doing? I also have been talking about it as well. Is there something wrong with me choosing an opposing viewpoint in said discussion? How about you try be open~minded as well? Instead of acting like you guys are the only ones who know PvP and those of us that prefer casual PvP over competitive are wrong. Perhaps you could try think about things from our perspective, maybe you'd see that the game can be fun without having competitive PvP.
I mean, seriously... expecting us to be open~minded while you won't be open~minded to our side...double standard much?
Exactly. They are broken records. They have no opinions or words of their own they just spew whatever Blizzard sends out. It is illegal to have a different opinion or view about the game then the almighty Blizzard. After all a developer has NEVER made design errors (Diablo 2?). Thanks for playing kids.
~laughs~ You say that I'm a broken record? You who continually repeat the same complaints over and over, ignoring the reasons Blizzard actually made their decisions. Right.... I'm totally the one being a broken record.
Wow strong words. You are over stating and twisting what I am saying. I basically just want competitive PvP/eSports and I have listed reasons how and why it should be. It is not like PvE'ers don't have a right to post on PvP forums what they don't have the right to do is come in and harass the PvP forums. They don't give anyone a chance to talk about it they immediately start arguing and complaining. Without even considering it or trying to be open-minded about it. Even after you had stated your argument you keep going on about it and now it is pointless and flawed.
You've gotten a chance to talk about it. What do you think you've been doing? I also have been talking about it as well. Is there something wrong with me choosing an opposing viewpoint in said discussion? How about you try be open~minded as well? Instead of acting like you guys are the only ones who know PvP and those of us that prefer casual PvP over competitive are wrong. Perhaps you could try think about things from our perspective, maybe you'd see that the game can be fun without having competitive PvP.
I mean, seriously... expecting us to be open~minded while you won't be open~minded to our side...double standard much?
Ha we are opened minded to your side.
We want custom arenas, you cry resources and esports.
Some want esports or balance, you cry difficult to understand.
We play Diablo to PvP in end game, you cry that we are playing incorrectly.
It is never ending, you will find something to cry about in regards to how we play the game it is hilarious. Me? I could care less what you do on your side. Also as far as me ignoring Blizzards reasons? I heard all of their reasons, and some make sense like hostility, and that is fine. Others make no sense like custom arenas and skills and stats. It is what it is, I don't need you trying to play white knight and acting like you are better then everyone because you are in Blizzards pocket.
It's like me crying and saying take single player and online out of Street Fighter because it is designed for tournament play, and the resources for those modes can be better used for balance. Gotta give some to take some, 2 way road buddy. No one is asking for anything dramatic like hostility, and yet you find a reason to make it rain.
Ha we are opened minded to your side.
We want custom arenas, you cry resources and esports.
Some want esports or balance, you cry difficult to understand.
We play Diablo to PvP in end game, you cry that we are playing incorrectly.
It is never ending, you will find something to cry about in regards to how we play the game it is hilarious. Me? I could care less what you do on your side. Also as far as me ignoring Blizzards reasons? I heard all of their reasons, and some make sense like hostility, and that is fine. Others make no sense like custom arenas and skills and stats. It is what it is, I don't need you trying to play white knight and acting like you are better then everyone because you are in Blizzards pocket.
It's like me crying and saying take single player and online out of Street Fighter because it is designed for tournament play, and the resources for those modes can be better used for balance. Gotta give some to take some, 2 way road buddy. No one is asking for anything dramatic like hostility, and yet you find a reason to make it rain.
I haven't cried either resources nor eSports, actually. I'm perfectly fine with them implementing custom PvP matches. I've just stated that I understand WHY Blizzard has stated they are wary of adding custom PvP matches. I also stated that it isn't a trivial amount of resources and as such, ends up being a tough decision for Blizzard. Personally, I could care less one way or another.
I've only been giving explanations as to WHY things are the way they are. You might feel differently, but these are the reasons...like them or not. The majority of the community has sided with Blizzard. Yet...you continue to complain and use insults when people disagree with you.
Ha we are opened minded to your side.
We want custom arenas, you cry resources and esports.
Some want esports or balance, you cry difficult to understand.
We play Diablo to PvP in end game, you cry that we are playing incorrectly.
It is never ending, you will find something to cry about in regards to how we play the game it is hilarious. Me? I could care less what you do on your side. Also as far as me ignoring Blizzards reasons? I heard all of their reasons, and some make sense like hostility, and that is fine. Others make no sense like custom arenas and skills and stats. It is what it is, I don't need you trying to play white knight and acting like you are better then everyone because you are in Blizzards pocket.
It's like me crying and saying take single player and online out of Street Fighter because it is designed for tournament play, and the resources for those modes can be better used for balance. Gotta give some to take some, 2 way road buddy. No one is asking for anything dramatic like hostility, and yet you find a reason to make it rain.
I haven't cried either resources nor eSports, actually. I'm perfectly fine with them implementing custom PvP matches. I've just stated that I understand WHY Blizzard has stated they are wary of adding custom PvP matches. I also stated that it isn't a trivial amount of resources and as such, ends up being a tough decision for Blizzard. Personally, I could care less one way or another.
I've only been giving explanations as to WHY things are the way they are. You might feel differently, but these are the reasons...like them or not. The majority of the community has sided with Blizzard. Yet...you continue to complain and use insults when people disagree with you.
Again, didn't insult anyone and you still have yet to show me where I have directly insulted anyone.
Right, every post you make it clear that you understand Blizzards views, that is great. Has nothing to do with the topic, you coming in here and playing white knight does nothing for the topic. It just shoots down peoples ideas and makes you look like an elitist who thinks he is better then everyone because he is the "majority".
I sure as hell hope Diablo never becomes an eSport. All it will do is ruin the PVE game, just like PVP ruined wow. PVP is a disease i'm hoping stays as nothing more than a novelty in Diablo 3.
Again, didn't insult anyone and you still have yet to show me where I have directly insulted anyone.
Right, every post you make it clear that you understand Blizzards views, that is great. Has nothing to do with the topic, you coming in here and playing white knight does nothing for the topic. It just shoots down peoples ideas and makes you look like an elitist who thinks he is better then everyone because he is the "majority".
So, coming in and offering a counter point is bad eh? So you only want people here that agree with you? Who's the 'elitist'?
No we want people to come here and disscus what the topic is about. Instead of arguing every step of the way. You don wan to be productive, you don't wan to listen and your obviously lying to yourself. You keep saying "you don't care" but you obviously do because you keep posting. We have heard your argument and the thing is WE DON'T AGREE. Get over yourself dude. You are the One being the elitist you are the being the bully. It has to be your way and not anyone else's. THIS ENTIRE TIME I HAVE BEEN TELLING THAT WE CAN BOTH GT WHAT WE WANT. You just don't believe me becaus what you acctuly want is for us not to get what we want.
No we want people to come here and disscus what the topic is about. Instead of arguing every step of the way. You don wan to be productive, you don't wan to listen and your obviously lying to yourself. You keep saying "you don't care" but you obviously do because you keep posting. We have heard your argument and the thing is WE DON'T AGREE. Get over yourself dude. You are the One being the elitist you are the being the bully. It has to be your way and not anyone else's. THIS ENTIRE TIME I HAVE BEEN TELLING THAT WE CAN BOTH GT WHAT WE WANT. You just don't believe me becaus what you acctuly want is for us not to get what we want.
Blizzard has stated specifically that we CANNOT both get what we want. They aren't going to develop two games (separate PvP and PvM balance) and they aren't going to have PvP influence PvM balance/gameplay. As such, it certainly seems that we cannot indeed both get what we want.
I don't care if they add custom PvP games, no. Personally it wouldn't matter to me that much. However, this isn't just about custom PvP games. You've stated various features that affect the PvP system as a whole, which I do have interest in. As such, I'm going to post my points and you're going to post yours. Honestly, you cannot sit here and dismiss my claims outright and then expect me not to do the same to yours. The majority of us don't want competitive PvP, those like you and Adon do...it is not going to happen because BLIZZARD DOES NOT WANT IT AND IT IS THEIR GAME. Is there much more to discuss?.. kinda curious..
They specifically stated that Inferno should take people 2~3 months, unless people make use of exploits and such. That was the whole reason they revised their statement from it being unable to be beaten to farmable. So, I still maintain that unless you find an exploit...you're not likely to be able to do it. You are welcome to prove me wrong. Honestly though, I don't really care how long it takes you. I don't play the game to see who can get there first and won't even play launch night as I work. I just don't care about your competitive nature, but I do think you overestimate yourself greatly.
Have you played Inferno? I highly doubt you're part of internal testing. Since the internal testers that have played Diablo 3 for years now are stating that it'll likely take 2~3 months, I'm willing to accept that it might actually take that long. Seems like a pretty awesome challenge if they did achieve that level of difficulty. Until it comes out though, neither of us can really know. So the only thing we can possibly go by is Blizzard's word. Anything you say to the contrary is just you fluffing your ego.
How many bugs and glitches and infinites are found in Capcoms fighting games? The same company that says their QA team are better players then the top EVO players?
Take anything regarding difficulty with a grain of salt. Obviously you need to start Diablo again and tell me how hard it is.
Depends on the content. Generally 'hard~modes' do take quite awhile by the average player. Even the most hardcore of groups can take weeks to accomplish it. However, there is a big difference between people beating a new instance in a game they already know very well, and beating a brand new game with new mechanics and a ton of unknowns. Noone knows the mechanics of the end~game of Diablo 3 right now beyond the internal testing team. So until people experience Infernal difficulty, we won't possibly be able to know... and stating that you can do it no problem is just you fluffing your ego more.
Putting words in my mouth? Words that I have actually contradicted myself? Diablo 3 does share similarities with WoW in a lot of ways. However, as we don't even know what kind of mechanics exist at the high end at all...it's hard to make any judgement calls as to how difficult things will play out. I never said it would be impossible to do, I fully expect people to find ways to make it happen. However, I don't think that those methods will represent the majority. As all I hear from you is "I'm amazing..." I can hardly believe you're an exception to the majority. You might be and you may very well prove me wrong and beat Inferno in a couple weeks. Will I care? Nope.
Thanks to all of those supporting me in this thread. I hope you know the one thing in our way is Blizzards unwillingness to support a major part of Diablo 3, the PvP. Also the people who believe whatever Blizzard says. I think that is bad management on their part, because if they don't the game won't be able to flourish. That us why I created thus thread to convince people of this and through them Blizzard.
I have never posted anything I would go back on. I support both PvE and PvP and believe you can have competitive PvP without affecting the rest if the game. You guys seem to overlook the fact that you are greatly affecting the PvP.
As for the specifics of balancing the game without nerfing the PvE, Blizzard can do it but is not going to do so because of ridiculous reasons. Such as it is "confusing to the players" and is insulting to the community.
I have watched and played the PvP and I am certain it would make a great eSports, to play and to watch. Once everyone plays it I think they would feel the same.
When the PvP comes out I will enjoy talking about every detail about how and why it will make a good eSport when others can also experience the PvP and not feel satisfied about it.
If your not here to support this thread then you must be greedy PvE'ers. Seriously you already have the game for a whole year without PvP. You already have your Inferno and your two expansions that will come out. What more could you want that you are already given? All we want is a fully functioning PvP system, not some half-ass casual crap. Instead of respecting the thread on the PVP FOURMS and trying to support it, you come in here with only one solid argument, "Blizzard said so". I don't go to your threads and say "inferno is not casual enough" or some other crap just to make you mad. Frankly you guys are killing the game. Will it be good? Ya. Will it be great? Not by a long shot. Without competitive PvP I doubt they will get past the first expansion or even that far. They got their golden egg and they don't want to share.
If Jay Wilson would have said "ya it is going to be a very competitive PvP", there would be no threads on "why can't it be a casual PvP". I could point all the blame towards Jay Wilson but really it is all of you people who listen to that crap.
jaco, it is Blizzard's game. There needs to be little other reasons other then 'they said so' honestly. However, if you actually read the posts that Blizzard has posted...they actually explain why they made the decisions that they have made. Here's a link so that you can read it for yourself. I love how you keep saying its Jay Wilson that decided all this as well, when Jay specifically stated that it was the developers that chose a more casual route for PvP.
They aren't neglecting PvP, they just aren't making PvP the way YOU want it. Funny thing is, they are making PvP in a way that many other people want. So your desires trump ours? I'm sorry, but when the overall focus of the game is co~op and the majority of players side with that focus, it seems that the majority's desires should be the desires that Blizzard focuses on. Guess what?! They are!
This game will likely last 2 expansions, maybe more...depending on how much material Blizzard has for the setting. Inferno will keep the majority of players challenged and the random events will keep each play~through different. On top of that, a casual PvP system where you can jump into battle with random players in matched battles purely for entertainment will add even more replay value to the game. It doesn't need competitive PvP in order to be fun, it's got plenty of fun already..and more to come.
Edit: I'd like to add that you keep trying to state that people like myself don't deserve to talk about PvP, when I clearly have an interest in the PvP system being showcased for Diablo 3. I'm sorry, but just because I'm actually for the route that Blizzard has taken doesn't mean I hate PvP. I have just as much right to talk about PvP as you do, if not more...as I actually want the PvP system that Blizzard is offering.
~laughs~ You say that I'm a broken record? You who continually repeat the same complaints over and over, ignoring the reasons Blizzard actually made their decisions. Right.... I'm totally the one being a broken record.
You've gotten a chance to talk about it. What do you think you've been doing? I also have been talking about it as well. Is there something wrong with me choosing an opposing viewpoint in said discussion? How about you try be open~minded as well? Instead of acting like you guys are the only ones who know PvP and those of us that prefer casual PvP over competitive are wrong. Perhaps you could try think about things from our perspective, maybe you'd see that the game can be fun without having competitive PvP.
I mean, seriously... expecting us to be open~minded while you won't be open~minded to our side...double standard much?
We want custom arenas, you cry resources and esports.
Some want esports or balance, you cry difficult to understand.
We play Diablo to PvP in end game, you cry that we are playing incorrectly.
It is never ending, you will find something to cry about in regards to how we play the game it is hilarious. Me? I could care less what you do on your side. Also as far as me ignoring Blizzards reasons? I heard all of their reasons, and some make sense like hostility, and that is fine. Others make no sense like custom arenas and skills and stats. It is what it is, I don't need you trying to play white knight and acting like you are better then everyone because you are in Blizzards pocket.
It's like me crying and saying take single player and online out of Street Fighter because it is designed for tournament play, and the resources for those modes can be better used for balance. Gotta give some to take some, 2 way road buddy. No one is asking for anything dramatic like hostility, and yet you find a reason to make it rain.
I haven't cried either resources nor eSports, actually. I'm perfectly fine with them implementing custom PvP matches. I've just stated that I understand WHY Blizzard has stated they are wary of adding custom PvP matches. I also stated that it isn't a trivial amount of resources and as such, ends up being a tough decision for Blizzard. Personally, I could care less one way or another.
I've only been giving explanations as to WHY things are the way they are. You might feel differently, but these are the reasons...like them or not. The majority of the community has sided with Blizzard. Yet...you continue to complain and use insults when people disagree with you.
Right, every post you make it clear that you understand Blizzards views, that is great. Has nothing to do with the topic, you coming in here and playing white knight does nothing for the topic. It just shoots down peoples ideas and makes you look like an elitist who thinks he is better then everyone because he is the "majority".
So, coming in and offering a counter point is bad eh? So you only want people here that agree with you? Who's the 'elitist'?
Blizzard has stated specifically that we CANNOT both get what we want. They aren't going to develop two games (separate PvP and PvM balance) and they aren't going to have PvP influence PvM balance/gameplay. As such, it certainly seems that we cannot indeed both get what we want.
I don't care if they add custom PvP games, no. Personally it wouldn't matter to me that much. However, this isn't just about custom PvP games. You've stated various features that affect the PvP system as a whole, which I do have interest in. As such, I'm going to post my points and you're going to post yours. Honestly, you cannot sit here and dismiss my claims outright and then expect me not to do the same to yours. The majority of us don't want competitive PvP, those like you and Adon do...it is not going to happen because BLIZZARD DOES NOT WANT IT AND IT IS THEIR GAME. Is there much more to discuss?.. kinda curious..