Duels and Hostility in *Private Only*

Poll: Should dueling and/or hostility be enabled in *Private* games?

Dueling and Hostility in Private Games

Should dueling and/or hostility be enabled in *Private* games? - Multiple Choice

  • Neither 29.6% of Users - 34 votes
  • Just dueling enabled 35.7% of Users - 41 votes
  • Just hostility enabled 2.6% of Users - 3 votes
  • Both dueling and hostility enabled 32.2% of Users - 37 votes
  • #21
    Quote from Adon

    Such a minor benefit? Ha, to you and your select few buddies maybe.

    Also is it impossible for Blizzard to say no? Apparently not, not everything with PvP needs to be an "esport" feature and that pathetic excuse doesn't deserve to be brought up in every argument you make. Get off esports, it has nothing to do with anything we are talking about ha. No way in what we are asking for is going to get people to go "WOW THIS WOULD BE FANTASTIC AS AN ESPORT!!".


    Did you not read what I said? I was not saying it was an eSport feature. Go back and carefully reread link. I specifically stated that I used their stance on eSports AS A PARALLEL, to explain why they might have similar issues with these features. Not because these features are eSport related, but because these features would create an expectation that Blizzard obviously doesn't want (public world PvP).

    I also wasn't stating these features SHOULDN'T be implemented. If you actually check the votes, I voted for both. I'm trying to explain why Blizzard still might not accept these kind of features.. and that is because they set a precedent.... they make hostility ok in private games, which opens the floodgates for people to say that it needs to be in public as well. Hostility in public is a terrible idea, and as such I can see why even private might not be accepted. That doesn't mean I am against private duels/hostility... it just means that I understand why it might be seen as a bad idea.


    Quote from Kodachii

    To be honest it's instanced pvp that makes a game into an esport more than open world hostility/dueling (in private only games). I know this because like many of you I've been along for the entire wow/starcraft ride from day 1 and I've seen how the arena and addons ran off with wow and because starcraft 2 is a ranked game which requires only 1 player per team it quickly became a powerful esport.

    This suggestion is different. I don't like the whole mentality which states "we can't give the players something that *should* be in the game, just because it may give them the wrong idea and people will ask for more", to which the devs wouldn't even have to respond. I understand them not wanting d3 to be an esport, I agree with that notion, which is why I don't think the argument carries much weight seeing as how I agree in that d3 is at it's heart and sole a hack and slash (pvM) action rpg, and still want this change *because* it is only beneficial to the game in every single way imaginable.

    I guess some people (and others are afraid that some people) just can't draw a much needed line. I think this topic is where the line should be drawn, personally I'd be happy for life concerning the state of pvp in d3.


    You also seem to have taken my comments about eSports out of context. In addition to that, you state that open PvP "should" be in the game and I actually disagree with that. I am not against adding it but I don't think its a feature that NEEDS to be in Diablo 3 either. In fact, I think the majority of people wouldn't care at all if duels were arena only and hostility was gone for good.

    That being said, I don't see a real reason to deny duels/hostility really besides this... It seems like a waste of resources as it is likely a feature that the majority of players wouldn't even use. As a developer myself, I'd certainly find it hard to justify adding a feature that the majority of my users wouldn't use. Its just not cost-effective, especially when nearly all the players demanding open-world PvP are going to pay for the game anyways.
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  • #22
    I disagree with it being a waste of resources and that not many people will use it. I think a feature like this would be found beneficial even to those skeptical of it now, and over time nearly everyone would use it because it carries over that awesome d2 feel without the grief. You're not seriously *just* going to endlessly farm items and that's that are you? I know I can't do it at least. I need a way to get downtime from arena and downtime from monster slaying, and not just crafting in town. I'd be fine with being able to *organize* instanced pvp in a modded arena, but honestly I think this route with the private open world dueling/hostility is a better solution because it in no way shape or form promotes esports in the least, and keep the game feeling like diablo to boot.

    It's a great way to throw back and have some fun amongst friends and I'm surprised the devs didn't think of it themselves because it should probably have been in diablo 3 to make the transition from d2, as well as other blizzard titles, a smoother and more enjoyable experience.

    I'm surprised half of the voters have shot the idea down without adding a post as to why. This is the pvp forum, we talk about things pvp here. It's almost a ridiculous notion that we're talking about how pvp shouldn't be added because of resources (also) because it's worth being added into the game. I don't understand why people come to the pvp forums and say people talk about pvp too much and beat a dead horse. It's one of, if not the least active forums and all because blizzard decided to distribute a bunch of tinfoil hats and made decisions specifically to influence the psyche of sheeple, "we can't do this because politically correct/acceptable excuse", or, "we didn't want to do this because it would trick the player into thinking the game was something it's not". Instead of worrying about what community will complain about 2 years from now, they should probably be more concerned with making the game the best it can be. It would be appreciated by many if there were a greater level of selflessness and compromise. Don't eat up every little thing activision blizzard says about monster slaying pvp etc. It's still diablo and we're still an enthusiastic fanbase who can make even the smallest difference, or at least try.
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  • #23
    I need a way to get downtime from arena and downtime from monster slaying, and not just crafting in town.

    Have you considered trying RL as downtime? =P
  • #24
    It's a great way to throw back and have some fun amongst friends and I'm surprised the devs didn't think of it themselves because it should probably have been in diablo 3 to make the transition from d2, as well as other blizzard titles, a smoother and more enjoyable experience.

    Or by say promoting a more casual experience in pvp you can throw back and make new friends in the community. What you see as a necessity is not what others see as such. Developers may have actually considered this, but discarded this as it might take away from using the actual arena rather than be a smooth transition. As well as the idea it might be used as a soapbox by some that dueling/hostility is necessary to add to public games if they were in private.

    It's almost a ridiculous notion that we're talking about how pvp shouldn't be added because of resources (also) because it's worth being added into the game.

    The notion is not about not adding pvp, but a specific form of pvp to the pvm side of things. The fact is that d3 is getting pvp in the form of arenas, for some that's enough apparently.

    It's one of, if not the least active forums and all because blizzard decided to distribute a bunch of tinfoil hats and made decisions specifically to influence the psyche of sheeple, "we can't do this because politically correct/acceptable excuse", or, "we didn't want to do this because it would trick the player into thinking the game was something it's not".

    Truly Blizzard must be amazing brainwashers then or people are seemingly content with their answer or the pvp community isn't as large as some think or the pvp community has different wants and needs as a whole than the individuals or they're simply waiting patiently for more information rather endless speculation that what they're getting isn't going to be enough. Plenty of answers rather than the tinfoil hat sheeple one.

    Instead of worrying about what community will complain about 2 years from now, they should probably be more concerned with making the game the best it can be.

    Which is why they aren't including PvP on launch. They weren't satisfied with what they could offer to that part of the community, but apparently that's not good enough a reason.

    It would be appreciated by many if there were a greater level of selflessness and compromise. Don't eat up every little thing activision blizzard says about monster slaying pvp etc. It's still diablo and we're still an enthusiastic fanbase who can make even the smallest difference, or at least try.

    Some of us more PvM types have offered compromise or agreed with some points, but then in most cases if we disagree PvP types seem to immediately jump to the idea we hate them or that game mode or would somehow like to remove PvP from D3 entirely. In many cases explanations are overlooked, ignored, or misinterpreted with the idea that we are either stupid or willingly being lead by corporate masters. I would appreciate the idea that I'm a thinking human being and capable of looking at the facts presented both parties and draw my own conclusions. Yes it is still Diablo and I am part of an enthusiastic fanbase. I'm trying to make a difference, a pity that I've come to different conclusions than you so we run counterpoint to each other in many cases. Is it also a bad thing to perhaps still hope in some cases that a game developer grows and learns from the past like its community?

    Do I care if you duel or hostile in private? No, but it is a feature I see no useful purpose for. If I want PvP I'm willing to accept what is already going to be offered in the game and I will more than likely experience that content alongside friends as well.

    Do I care if duel/hostile becomes added to public? Yes, hostile was far to abused in D2 to ever be considered viable in D3. Dueling only seems like hostile's little brother. Not the complete anarchy of its big brother, but a constant potential interrupt to my playing experience.

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    I need a way to get downtime from arena and downtime from monster slaying, and not just crafting in town.

    Have you considered trying RL as downtime? =P


    That is a good point and I'll take it as good-natured, some of us do downtime by actually doing something completely different or unrelated from the game.
  • #25
    I think it comes down to fact the PvM'ers keep saying "Oh im fine with the PvP as is, and some others are too!" Yea....you arn't a pvper, the PvP'ers are not fine with what is offered thus far. So why are you even in the discussion if you arn't even going to be a real PvP'er? What input do you honestly have to give to experienced PvP'ers about the matter? Like me going into a PvM forum and saying "The game is to easy on inferno please buff everything" when everyone else is getting stomped. My input is not on the same level as a PvM'ers when it comes to that and your input is not on same level as a PvP'ers on this.
  • #26
    While everyone's entitled to their own opinion I swear a few posters here like to argue for the sake of arguing. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong, just that there appears to be a lot of pvM talk in what should have been the pvp forums and since people who want next to nothing to do with pvp and are in love with PvM are posting here a lot of these threads are bound to become condesending rather quickly because it isn't likely that two people on opposite sides, both with zero tolerance will agree with each other.


    And the bit about doing real life (amongst other things) isn't particularly a great point, in terms of my situation. I will have to set aside specific times to even be able to play, personally. I'm a busy person. I didn't have the time to jump circles in WoW and I barely played enough games in sc2 to keep my league displayed. I play (total gaming) maybe 2 hours a week right now on steam with a few friends and family members. Maybe if I were a worthless slob who contributed nothing to the world and sat around jumping circles all day and inflating the multiplayer auction houses with my amazing farm antics it'd be much better advice, albeit I figure the original poster of the idea was half joking, like most things on these forums it got picked up and ran away with.
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  • #27
    Quote from Adon

    I think it comes down to fact the PvM'ers keep saying "Oh im fine with the PvP as is, and some others are too!" Yea....you arn't a pvper, the PvP'ers are not fine with what is offered thus far. So why are you even in the discussion if you arn't even going to be a real PvP'er? What input do you honestly have to give to experienced PvP'ers about the matter? Like me going into a PvM forum and saying "The game is to easy on inferno please buff everything" when everyone else is getting stomped. My input is not on the same level as a PvM'ers when it comes to that and your input is not on same level as a PvP'ers on this.


    Honestly, I am someone who is very interested in PvP in Diablo 3. So it is in my interest to promote features to Diablo 3 that will make the experience more enjoyable for myself. I'm sorry but just because I also defend the PvM player's rights to have their PvM experience without having PvP forced upon them, doesn't mean I don't deserve to have opinions on PvP as well.

    You honestly need to come off your high horse. Blizzard isn't making this game just for you. They are making it for a much larger fan-base that predominantly is PvM focused. Blizzard doesn't make decisions about their games without doing research, This means that you probably aren't even part of the target market for Diablo 3 at all. They are focusing the game towards PvM and a more casual PvP experience, so how is the opinion of a player that wants to force PvP on other players more important then someone that is part of their target market?


    Quote from Kodachii

    While everyone's entitled to their own opinion I swear a few posters here like to argue for the sake of arguing. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong, just that there appears to be a lot of pvM talk in what should have been the pvp forums and since people who want next to nothing to do with pvp and are in love with PvM are posting here a lot of these threads are bound to become condesending rather quickly because it isn't likely that two people on opposite sides, both with zero tolerance will agree with each other.


    And the bit about doing real life (amongst other things) isn't particularly a great point, in terms of my situation. I will have to set aside specific times to even be able to play, personally. I'm a busy person. I didn't have the time to jump circles in WoW and I barely played enough games in sc2 to keep my league displayed. I play (total gaming) maybe 2 hours a week right now on steam with a few friends and family members. Maybe if I were a worthless slob who contributed nothing to the world and sat around jumping circles all day and inflating the multiplayer auction houses with my amazing farm antics it'd be much better advice, albeit I figure the original poster of the idea was half joking, like most things on these forums it got picked up and ran away with.


    The talk about PvM is important because it seems like you PvP focused players have forgotten that this is a PvM focused game. PvP'ing in Arena is the added feature for those that want something EXTRA to do. So asking Blizzard to add more EXTRAS and expecting them to be the primary focus for development is quite silly. I have offered compromises between the sides, but honestly, most of the time the PvP side just wants to bring back Diablo 2. If you honestly want Diablo 2 that badly, go play it. Diablo 3 is a new game with a new PvP system. Diablo 2's PvP system really has no place in it as the overall game's design has changed.

    Honestly, I'm changing my vote. I don't think either of these features needs to be a part of the game, I get the feeling that they are only a gateway to frustrating other players and its made evident by the PvP posters here. You PvP focused players should sit down and look at the game you're trying to suggest features for and come up with features that fit within this new design. Stop trying to take 10+ year old game features and shove them into a brand new game just because they are what you know. Perhaps then there will be more common ground to be found.
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  • #28
    I'm not pvp focused I'm just typing in a pvp forum about pvp, not pvM.

    I'll be hacking and slashing the vast majority of my playtime just like everyone else, you can't really pvp on an empty stomache so to speak anyways even if you were pvp focused because equipment is power. All I've done is taken a good idea and thrown it out there so it can get more attention.

    And you changing your vote on your *own idea* just proves what I said in my last post. You people really are just here for the sake of arguing. Anything pvp related gets a huge ass thumbs down because despite what you say about wanting more pvp you keep lumping in pvp enthusiasts together as if they were another kind of breed of player apart from what you are or something.

    It's amazing to me that people refuse to acknowledge such an easy, grief free switch to make the game better for nearly everyone. I guess I can't blame you, we've had one system after another ripped out from under our feet with excuses, so yes I believe in something similar to brain washing. People have taken every little thing the middle man has said and believed it with a full heart, it's quite sad actually.

    Example? Here we are looking at a video unlock on the hype site where Jay *admits* to the team having a release date for 2011 settled back before the beta began, "despite what people think". It's amazing how people just clung to every little thing they've said without objectively thinking for themselves about why certain things are happening and why and being able to look at things with eyes wide open.

    I have asked for the negative side of this argument, and the only arguments I've seen have simply not been strong enough. Resources? You might get griefed if you add a dbag to your friends list one time? Come on. I thought this was diablo, not fairy dragon unicorn raider deluxe.
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  • #29
    Quote from Kodachii

    I'm not pvp focused I'm just typing in a pvp forum about pvp, not pvM.

    I'll be hacking and slashing the vast majority of my playtime just like everyone else, you can't really pvp on an empty stomache so to speak anyways even if you were pvp focused because equipment is power. All I've done is taken a good idea and thrown it out there so it can get more attention.

    And you changing your vote on your *own idea* just proves what I said in my last post. You people really are just here for the sake of arguing. Anything pvp related gets a huge ass thumbs down because despite what you say about wanting more pvp you keep lumping in pvp enthusiasts together as if they were another kind of breed of player apart from what you are or something.

    It's amazing to me that people refuse to acknowledge such an easy, grief free switch to make the game better for nearly everyone. I guess I can't blame you, we've had one system after another ripped out from under our feet with excuses, so yes I believe in something similar to brain washing. People have taken every little thing the middle man has said and believed it with a full heart, it's quite sad actually.

    Example? Here we are looking at a video unlock on the hype site where Jay *admits* to the team having a release date for 2011 settled back before the beta began, "despite what people think". It's amazing how people just clung to every little thing they've said without objectively thinking for themselves about why certain things are happening and why and being able to look at things with eyes wide open.

    I have asked for the negative side of this argument, and the only arguments I've seen have simply not been strong enough. Resources? You might get griefed if you add a dbag to your friends list one time? Come on. I thought this was diablo, not fairy dragon unicorn raider deluxe.


    I suggested the idea as a solution to fix the complaint that a few posters here on the forum had with wanting duels, so yes it was my suggestion. However, listening to people post about it shows me that all offering this would do is to give fuel to people complaining that dueling/hostility isn't in public. Its not a fix for a problem, nor would it make the game better for everyone. The majority of Diablo 3 players probably would never use the features. Especially if Blizzard just adds a 1v1 or FFA Arena type. This would only cater to a small group of Diablo 2 players that cannot cope with change. I don't mean to say it in such a harsh way, but I see no other way to say it.

    Diablo 3 will have a rather integrated and fun PvP system from what Blizzard has shown us. I see no reason at all for them to devote any resources to adding features like these when they will likely cause more problems then solutions. If they were to add these features to private only, you won't see me complaining about them...but I'm certainly not going to push for their existence.

    Look at those that post supporting your side, Kodachii...they tend to flame, troll, harass, insult, etc. Do you think that the majority of us want more people with that mentality? Do we want features that encourage more people to be like them? I certainly don't...
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  • #30
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    Quote from Kodachii

    I'm not pvp focused I'm just typing in a pvp forum about pvp, not pvM.

    I'll be hacking and slashing the vast majority of my playtime just like everyone else, you can't really pvp on an empty stomache so to speak anyways even if you were pvp focused because equipment is power. All I've done is taken a good idea and thrown it out there so it can get more attention.

    And you changing your vote on your *own idea* just proves what I said in my last post. You people really are just here for the sake of arguing. Anything pvp related gets a huge ass thumbs down because despite what you say about wanting more pvp you keep lumping in pvp enthusiasts together as if they were another kind of breed of player apart from what you are or something.

    It's amazing to me that people refuse to acknowledge such an easy, grief free switch to make the game better for nearly everyone. I guess I can't blame you, we've had one system after another ripped out from under our feet with excuses, so yes I believe in something similar to brain washing. People have taken every little thing the middle man has said and believed it with a full heart, it's quite sad actually.

    Example? Here we are looking at a video unlock on the hype site where Jay *admits* to the team having a release date for 2011 settled back before the beta began, "despite what people think". It's amazing how people just clung to every little thing they've said without objectively thinking for themselves about why certain things are happening and why and being able to look at things with eyes wide open.

    I have asked for the negative side of this argument, and the only arguments I've seen have simply not been strong enough. Resources? You might get griefed if you add a dbag to your friends list one time? Come on. I thought this was diablo, not fairy dragon unicorn raider deluxe.


    I suggested the idea as a solution to fix the complaint that a few posters here on the forum had with wanting duels, so yes it was my suggestion. However, listening to people post about it shows me that all offering this would do is to give fuel to people complaining that dueling/hostility isn't in public. Its not a fix for a problem, nor would it make the game better for everyone. The majority of Diablo 3 players probably would never use the features. Especially if Blizzard just adds a 1v1 or FFA Arena type. This would only cater to a small group of Diablo 2 players that cannot cope with change. I don't mean to say it in such a harsh way, but I see no other way to say it.

    Diablo 3 will have a rather integrated and fun PvP system from what Blizzard has shown us. I see no reason at all for them to devote any resources to adding features like these when they will likely cause more problems then solutions. If they were to add these features to private only, you won't see me complaining about them...but I'm certainly not going to push for their existence.

    Look at those that post supporting your side, Kodachii...they tend to flame, troll, harass, insult, etc. Do you think that the majority of us want more people with that mentality? Do we want features that encourage more people to be like them? I certainly don't...


    Look it's not that hard. I took the idea from you yourself. There's no need to play social politics (blah blah you hurt my feelings I'm a victim blah blah) with it and base our thought process on blind hatred for one crop or what "might" happen. Also, nearly everyone would use this feature overtime, gauranteed. Even if they were originally against it, they would find it useful at some point in time. I'm as anxious as anyone to get in there and bash me up some monsters, but I also know the vast majority of players will still spend most of their time in >private games< playing="" with="" their="">friends and family as well as solo< and="" having="" a="" convenience="" like="" non-grief="" hostility="" or="" duels="" in="">private games
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  • #31
    Quote from Kodachii

    Look it's not that hard. I took the idea from you yourself. There's no need to play social politics (blah blah you hurt my feelings I'm a victim blah blah) with it and base our thought process on blind hatred for one crop or what "might" happen. Also, nearly everyone would use this feature overtime, gauranteed. Even if they were originally against it, they would find it useful at some point in time. I'm as anxious as anyone to get in there and bash me up some monsters, but I also know the vast majority of players will still spend most of their time in >private games< playing="" with="" their="">friends and family as well as solo< and="" having="" a="" convenience="" like="" non-grief="" hostility="" or="" duels="" in="">private games


    You're quite wrong actually. I have a feeling the majority of players will actually play Public games, both PvM and PvP. Why? Because its more fun to play with people. Your friends and family won't always be on when you are (unless you purposely play that way only) and as such people will generally end up playing with randoms.

    In addition to my belief, its very evident that Blizzard's goal is to have people play together in public games, hence them making it so easy to dive right in. If they expected most people to play private, they would not have put the effort into making a public matchmaking system for quests and such.

    I'm not making my decision based on irrational fears, or anything like that. I look at the way the feature would likely be used, how the PvP posters here act, and how the PvM posters here act. I'm sorry if that means I see something different then you, but I just don't see the future being a NEEDED feature. If Blizzard added it, I wouldn't be one to complain about it existing... but I won't support adding it right now. Its a feature that I see very little good coming from, while I can see quite a bit of negative resulting.

    Again, I point you to the people that post here on behalf of PvP generally...is that honestly an attitude you want to promote? I sure don't. What would duels/hostility offer that Arena could not (assuming Arena got a FFA/1v1 mode)? The amount of people that would actually want to duel mid quest would be so minor, compared to those that would try use it to grief or complain that it isn't in public games. Sorry, but how can I justify supporting it?
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  • #32
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    Quote from Kodachii

    Look it's not that hard. I took the idea from you yourself. There's no need to play social politics (blah blah you hurt my feelings I'm a victim blah blah) with it and base our thought process on blind hatred for one crop or what "might" happen. Also, nearly everyone would use this feature overtime, gauranteed. Even if they were originally against it, they would find it useful at some point in time. I'm as anxious as anyone to get in there and bash me up some monsters, but I also know the vast majority of players will still spend most of their time in >private games< playing="" with="" their="">friends and family as well as solo< and="" having="" a="" convenience="" like="" non-grief="" hostility="" or="" duels="" in="">private games


    You're quite wrong actually. I have a feeling the majority of players will actually play Public games, both PvM and PvP. Why? Because its more fun to play with people. Your friends and family won't always be on when you are (unless you purposely play that way only) and as such people will generally end up playing with randoms.

    In addition to my belief, its very evident that Blizzard's goal is to have people play together in public games, hence them making it so easy to dive right in. If they expected most people to play private, they would not have put the effort into making a public matchmaking system for quests and such.

    I'm not making my decision based on irrational fears, or anything like that. I look at the way the feature would likely be used, how the PvP posters here act, and how the PvM posters here act. I'm sorry if that means I see something different then you, but I just don't see the future being a NEEDED feature. If Blizzard added it, I wouldn't be one to complain about it existing... but I won't support adding it right now. Its a feature that I see very little good coming from, while I can see quite a bit of negative resulting.

    Again, I point you to the people that post here on behalf of PvP generally...is that honestly an attitude you want to promote? I sure don't. What would duels/hostility offer that Arena could not (assuming Arena got a FFA/1v1 mode)? The amount of people that would actually want to duel mid quest would be so minor, compared to those that would try use it to grief or complain that it isn't in public games. Sorry, but how can I justify supporting it?

    I didn't even bother to read your whole post because it is already wrong at the start. Blizzard themselves have already stated that majority of D2 games took place in private games, and even in the beta and internal test the majority was private games. The Diablo community is full of assholes (I being 1 of them as Koda knows ), people will be pushed to private games further through the release regardless if they want or not, whether it is because someone is a dick in a public game or they finally met friends or wanna solo, the odds are majority are in private.
  • #33
    Quote from Adon

    I didn't even bother to read your whole post because it is already wrong at the start. Blizzard themselves have already stated that majority of D2 games took place in private games, and even in the beta and internal test the majority was private games. The Diablo community is full of assholes (I being 1 of them as Koda knows ), people will be pushed to private games further through the release regardless if they want or not, whether it is because someone is a dick in a public game or they finally met friends or wanna solo, the odds are majority are in private.


    Blizzards beta was primarily private games because it could actually take five minutes sometimes for the matchmaker to set you up with someone on the same quest as you unless you were skeleton king grinding. I played the beta very heavily, and experienced this myself on numerous occasions. Of course people are going to goto private games when waits are that long sometimes. Once the game is officially released and there is a steady stream of players at all levels of play, wait times will be way smaller.

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  • #34
    All this 'dueling & hostility' is getting messy. Can you activate in town, and fight in town? What if someone doesn't want to pvp? Can you come into peoples games disguised as a friend just to grief? The list goes on and on.

    I really wish Blizzard was competent enough to realize this problem and actually fix it! They should just add a separate place where you can duel and pvp. Make it to where you queue up for it! And then when you're ready you get transported to this awesome setting or something, and you and a group if you want can duke it out with a point counter up top or something. Call it an arena! This would solve like every problem and give a fun area while giving the PVP aspect it's own world!

    But nope, Blizz sucks.


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  • #35
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    I didn't even bother to read your whole post because it is already wrong at the start. Blizzard themselves have already stated that majority of D2 games took place in private games, and even in the beta and internal test the majority was private games. The Diablo community is full of assholes (I being 1 of them as Koda knows ), people will be pushed to private games further through the release regardless if they want or not, whether it is because someone is a dick in a public game or they finally met friends or wanna solo, the odds are majority are in private.


    Blizzards beta was primarily private games because it could actually take five minutes sometimes for the matchmaker to set you up with someone on the same quest as you unless you were skeleton king grinding. I played the beta very heavily, and experienced this myself on numerous occasions. Of course people are going to goto private games when waits are that long sometimes. Once the game is officially released and there is a steady stream of players at all levels of play, wait times will be way smaller.

    I love how you won't even take the time to ready a post, but you'll manage to prove me right. Thanks! Its good to know that I have a great example to prove my point.

    Good, glad you are happy. I am tired of reading 3 essays for you to attempt to get your point across haha. Beta or not, you are grabbing at straws here, the majority of games has always been and always will be private. You cannot simply sit there and flaunt how Blizzard says majority of players didn't PvP and majority of players PvM'd, then simply ignore fact they said majority of players play in private.

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    All this 'dueling & hostility' is getting messy. Can you activate in town, and fight in town? What if someone doesn't want to pvp? Can you come into peoples games disguised as a friend just to grief? The list goes on and on.

    I really wish Blizzard was competent enough to realize this problem and actually fix it! They should just add a separate place where you can duel and pvp. Make it to where you queue up for it! And then when you're ready you get transported to this awesome setting or something, and you and a group if you want can duke it out with a point counter up top or something. Call it an arena! This would solve like every problem and give a fun area while giving the PVP aspect it's own world!

    But nope, Blizz sucks.


    /sarcasm

    Well first off, pretty simple. No it would act much like D2 hostility probably with a few tweaks if needed so no dueling in town. If they gain your trust and grief you then that is on you, should be better at reading people. If they don't want pvp then stay out of private games with randoms?

    Yea the arena fixes everything!! Team battles which EVERYONE wants. Health globes which EVERYONE wants. 3 games to duel once which EVERYONE wants. Man...blizzard rocks!

    You are the exact person I was talking about, no idea about PvP at all, just a PvM'er who comes in this sub forum to try and say everything is alright when clearly you are just going to go die to Leoric at level 60 in normal ha.
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    Good, glad you are happy. I am tired of reading 3 essays for you to attempt to get your point across haha. Beta or not, you are grabbing at straws here, the majority of games has always been and always will be private. You cannot simply sit there and flaunt how Blizzard says majority of players didn't PvP and majority of players PvM'd, then simply ignore fact they said majority of players play in private.


    I don't believe I ignored that fact. I believe I actually gave a reason for why it exists. Seems you chose to not read that as well.

    Quote from Adon

    Well first off, pretty simple. No it would act much like D2 hostility probably with a few tweaks if needed so no dueling in town. If they gain your trust and grief you then that is on you, should be better at reading people. If they don't want pvp then stay out of private games with randoms?

    Yea the arena fixes everything!! Team battles which EVERYONE wants. Health globes which EVERYONE wants. 3 games to duel once which EVERYONE wants. Man...blizzard rocks!

    You are the exact person I was talking about, no idea about PvP at all, just a PvM'er who comes in this sub forum to try and say everything is alright when clearly you are just going to go die to Leoric at level 60 in normal ha.


    See, the funny thing Adon... team battles are what the MAJORITY want. Health globes are useful for a more CASUAL play style. As for three games to duel once...well, certainly seems like Blizzard doesn't want you do run around dueling everyone...hrm...I wonder if that is INTENTIONAL...I just don't know.

    If you haven't realized this yet, Blizzard is making these choices in order to make the game (including PvP) appeal to a larger audience. Why did the majority of players play private games in Diablo 2? How did the majority of people PvP in Diablo 2? Seriously.. Blizzard is making the game according to what the MAJORITY of their player~base want. You obviously don't seem to be one of those people... so perhaps the game just isn't for you? Perhaps... you should ~gasp~ stick with the game you love (Diablo 2).
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    Good, glad you are happy. I am tired of reading 3 essays for you to attempt to get your point across haha. Beta or not, you are grabbing at straws here, the majority of games has always been and always will be private. You cannot simply sit there and flaunt how Blizzard says majority of players didn't PvP and majority of players PvM'd, then simply ignore fact they said majority of players play in private.


    I don't believe I ignored that fact. I believe I actually gave a reason for why it exists. Seems you chose to not read that as well.

    Quote from Adon

    Well first off, pretty simple. No it would act much like D2 hostility probably with a few tweaks if needed so no dueling in town. If they gain your trust and grief you then that is on you, should be better at reading people. If they don't want pvp then stay out of private games with randoms?

    Yea the arena fixes everything!! Team battles which EVERYONE wants. Health globes which EVERYONE wants. 3 games to duel once which EVERYONE wants. Man...blizzard rocks!

    You are the exact person I was talking about, no idea about PvP at all, just a PvM'er who comes in this sub forum to try and say everything is alright when clearly you are just going to go die to Leoric at level 60 in normal ha.


    See, the funny thing Adon... team battles are what the MAJORITY want. Health globes are useful for a more CASUAL play style. As for three games to duel once...well, certainly seems like Blizzard doesn't want you do run around dueling everyone...hrm...I wonder if that is INTENTIONAL...I just don't know.

    If you haven't realized this yet, Blizzard is making these choices in order to make the game (including PvP) appeal to a larger audience. Why did the majority of players play private games in Diablo 2? How did the majority of people PvP in Diablo 2? Seriously.. Blizzard is making the game according to what the MAJORITY of their player~base want. You obviously don't seem to be one of those people... so perhaps the game just isn't for you? Perhaps... you should ~gasp~ stick with the game you love (Diablo 2).

    Getting so upset and angry haha. IDK according to you though the majority of players play in public and will do so in D3, yet again..Blizzard says otherwise.
    Who did they review to get these answers about PvP? Only thing I saw regarding PvP was a questionnaire they did at Blizzcon which is an inaccurate head count because 90% of the people there were for SC2 and WoW.
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    Getting so upset and angry haha. IDK according to you though the majority of players play in public and will do so in D3, yet again..Blizzard says otherwise.
    Who did they review to get these answers about PvP? Only thing I saw regarding PvP was a questionnaire they did at Blizzcon which is an inaccurate head count because 90% of the people there were for SC2 and WoW.


    Upset!? ~laughs~ No way, I'm laughing at your posts generally. I'm pretty sure I'd be posting a whole lot different if I was angry.

    I never said Blizzard said anything about PvP. What I said is what did the majority of players do for PvP... to which the answer is... sit outside town in Act 1 and fight. Guess what Arena is?... joining a specific game to essentially sit in a set area to fight. Oh wait... Blizzard is ignoring their PvP player~base and making something completely different then they are used to playing.. I'm so wrong.

    Did I say that the majority of players in PvM are CURRENTLY playing in public games? No. I explained why that was the case specifically in my previous post. So yes, I feel that come the actual release, we'll see the majority actually being public games. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we see it during this open beta.
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    Getting so upset and angry haha. IDK according to you though the majority of players play in public and will do so in D3, yet again..Blizzard says otherwise.
    Who did they review to get these answers about PvP? Only thing I saw regarding PvP was a questionnaire they did at Blizzcon which is an inaccurate head count because 90% of the people there were for SC2 and WoW.


    Upset!? ~laughs~ No way, I'm laughing at your posts generally. I'm pretty sure I'd be posting a whole lot different if I was angry.

    I never said Blizzard said anything about PvP. What I said is what did the majority of players do for PvP... to which the answer is... sit outside town in Act 1 and fight. Guess what Arena is?... joining a specific game to essentially sit in a set area to fight. Oh wait... Blizzard is ignoring their PvP player~base and making something completely different then they are used to playing.. I'm so wrong.

    Did I say that the majority of players in PvM are CURRENTLY playing in public games? No. I explained why that was the case specifically in my previous post. So yes, I feel that come the actual release, we'll see the majority actually being public games. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we see it during this open beta.

    Oh well see, ill run my stuff to gather the data don't worry!
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    Oh well see, ill run my stuff to gather the data don't worry!


    Your stuff?! So, you'll somehow hack Blizzard and get the exact numbers for number of players playing in private games versus public games eh? Because unless you can do that, you'll be waiting on Blizzard to actually announce something...which they might not do.

    Honestly, it doesn't even matter.. if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. In all honestly, it means that dueling/hostility is a WORSE idea as players would be using private games even more and as such more exposure to the negatives. So, if you're right... the result stays the same.
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