Who would win? Gear vs Skill

  • #1
    A lot of people think Diablo II was based around PvP but if you think about it...it's all really based around PVE. It doesn't take a well skilled player to beat people in PVP in D2 (at equal levels). It takes good GEAR. Only having 2 skills viable was definitely the major factor there in most aspects. What do you guys think the case is going to be in Diablo 3? Would a level 60 player with solid Hell gear stand any chance against someone with Inferno gear? Being that Diablo 3 has way more PVP support with some what tactical arenas using random health orbs and with more active skills varying in defensive and offensive, it'll definitely push itself from it's predecessor and become more than a 1 hit scenario to say the least. I'm sure Blizzard will have a match making system based on win vs losses and a gear point score of sorts. Didn't really work in WoW though I must say. A lot of the times it was gear or GTFO and just playing your weekly 10 games a week to get the minimum arena points was terrible. Diablo 3 being a DPS driven game...someone's going to get hurt. Who will it be?

    -Potatoes and Horse Radishes
  • #2
    getting gear in diablo will be much more "casual" than getting gear in wow, as you can solo everything (afaik), also you don't get gear from pvp (afaik), so you don't have to do your 10 matches.

    So, if you wanna pwn in pvp, get gear. won't be that hard. And if you can't you'd probably suck at pvp anyway :)
  • #3
    being an ex veteran hardcore WoW PvPer and have my good share of stories on how being out geared and out gunned and still ended up on top i would have to say that skill is a major factor. I remember WAAAAAY back in the day back before ret paladins where viable for... anything (Pre-WoLK). Ret was a joke for everything I found a way to make it a Viable PvP spec. I remember this time on my PvP sever i was jumped by a rogue 4 levels higher then me and ended up on top w/o my bubble. Really it just comes down to a mixture of both gear and knowing you opponents weakness.
  • #4
    abilities, comp and gear, then skill somewhere in the back.
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    When you turn, they will be gone. Whispering their hidden song.

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  • #5
    The match making will match you with people of the same gear level. In the avarage you will fight people with similar gear compered to yours... Then skill willl be the thing that matters =]
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    Faded out her voice and soiled her name
    And like marked pages in a diary
    Everything seemed clean that is unstained
    The incoherent talk of ordinary days
    Why would we really need to live?
    Decide what is clear and what's within a haze
    What you should take and what to give" - Opeth
  • #6
    Well, D3 is an action-rpg hybrid game, so as far as gameplay goes, imho...

    Action part of it = execution of commands/attacks and combos/patterns-of-attacks in real time. Good positioning, management of cooldowns and resources. Aiming spells (probably going to use more skillshot spells).
    RPG part of it = good strategy and build, grinding for better gear, and with better gear the action part of the game (execution) becomes a lot less demanding. Probably going to use less "skillshots" and more 100% hitting spells (like AoE ones and minions).

    So I'd say the rating is going to be purely defined by winning/losing against people of the same level (and not considering items at all) and it's very possible for an action-focused player to fight a gear-focused player and have a good battle.

    I believe most players like to focus on both aspects of the gameplay and these are probably going to be the majority of the playerbase. But I don't think the matchmaker will give the advantage to action-centric players (that would be by comparing just items/gear rating and pairing against similar people).

    My2cents.
  • #7
    Since I can't quote twitter, I'll just copy paste it. Also, I'm moving this to PvP since it's related.

    Someone asking what is being discussed here.
    @Bashiok @AngryRobotics Will matchmaking try to pair players of similar gear together? us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/to…

    Jay Wilson answering.
    @TheCrazyValheru similar skill ranking, which is affected by both play skill and gear.
  • #8
    Funny how clueless everyone in here is. You have kids who never PvP'd or won in PvP in their life in Diablo 2 trying to predict how PvP is in D3. You also have WoW kids who think they know how to PvP when the game auto aims all their moves for them and all they do is click 1-10. You guys won't last 10 seconds in D3 PvP.

    Gear means very little to the top PvP'ers. It helps but it is not the deciding factor. Being able to control your character and aim your moves and predict your opponent is the deciding factor. Just cause you kids got sat by some tals sorc wear mfing newb doesn't mean gear is as important as you think. Please refrain from speaking of PvP again, go back to PvM where you belong.
    TT
  • #9
    Quote from VladDracul

    Funny how clueless everyone in here is. You have kids who never PvP'd or won in PvP in their life in Diablo 2 trying to predict how PvP is in D3. You also have WoW kids who think they know how to PvP when the game auto aims all their moves for them and all they do is click 1-10. You guys won't last 10 seconds in D3 PvP.

    Gear means very little to the top PvP'ers. It helps but it is not the deciding factor. Being able to control your character and aim your moves and predict your opponent is the deciding factor. Just cause you kids got sat by some tals sorc wear mfing newb doesn't mean gear is as important as you think. Please refrain from speaking of PvP again, go back to PvM where you belong.

    dang... Why so territorial?

    Anyways! I believe that skill comes in very handy.
  • #10
    Apparently being an arrogant douche is much more important than gear or skill... :)

    But seriously, the answer is that both are obviously important, but skill moreso. If I was clinically brain dead and got sat in front of D3 with a character with absolutely top notch gear I wouildn't have a chance of beating anyone. The effect of skill is augmented by gear, not defined by it.
  • #11
    Depends. For example, on the DH I know I'm going to be using Hungering Arrows as my hatred gen, in addition to rapid fire. It homes, so really for the most part you're only gonna be able to dodge the arrows by kiting around pillars. But combined with Rapid fire you're not gonna survive if you can't take a hit from me. Ergo, depends on the matchup. Same thing with a wizard who spams electricity vs. a wizard that spams magic missile.
  • #12
    The arena reminds me Dota or LoL, the player skill should have its place.

  • #13
    Like any RPG gear is going to be a key factor in your success in the PvP aspect. While skill plays a large role in performance, not being able to take or deal damage will completely cancel out how good you may be.

    So plainly, you will need gear to beat decent players and have any kind of consistent win rate.
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