Thank you for giving me an adult response. Sometimes, my emotions get the best of my when I post about D3.
It really is heart breaking, at least for me. What this could and should have been.... Like I said, I still play it. But it just doesn't feel like that epic Diablo game I was use to. I was expecting the game of the year when they first announced D3. It was like, this is it. This is going to be THE game. My dreams were shattered. I wish I could find another game I can sink my teeth into, but I am so freaking picky with my games.
this is NOT DIABLO and all the factors that made Diablo 2 the game it is are clearly not present in Diablo 3[/b].
lol what IS diablo? the things that made diablo 2 the game are clearly present in diablo 3. this is a funny statement. trading didnt MAKE the game it enhanced it (just like ah enhanced d3).
Secondly why when someone presents facts to people on forums about how Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar company that sold out its fans to make money and this game turned out to be average at best, they get mad? How can a company with so many resources produce such a horrid platform of a game with so much time to produce it? It sounds like this game was just a cash cow and it lacked real innovative heart. I know 10 year olds that could have came up with more profound ideas for this game then they did. People are getting mad for us calling out the facts, because just like presenting any quantifiable evidence to a person in life that is willfully ignorant to the truth, people in game want to believe the game they invested so much time in and they loved is not worthless. We are presenting FACTS that are 100% completely true and can be substantiated with quantifiable facts. Allot of these facts can be tied in with emotion, because for of allot of us we played Diablo since it first came out, it is part of our lives. I really enjoy this game I would have even been willing to pay a subscription if the game was correct. You said it best this is NOT DIABLO and all the factors that made Diablo 2 the game it is are clearly not present in Diablo 3. What is anyone’s excuse for calling you a troll for pointing out Blizzards mess up? At the point when a company like Blizzard gets too big for their own self-righteous egos to fit in a door way and just completely ignore their customers, is the day the company starts a slow decent into being marginal. Blizzard use to be a company that if they released a game it was promised to be a block buster. Now that is gone and I will forever question any game that they come out with. I feel like they are pushing a propaganda campaign down our throats just to make us shut up and go along with the game and for us to continue to buy future games that comes out. Like they tell us what we want to hear, but they don't listen to the people that made them who they are. They need to remember we built this company with our loyalty and without us buying these games, they are a bunch of geeks looking for work.
Dude this is an entertainment product. You can't convince someone that he "wasted" time when all he was doing is playing a video game which is basically practicing a hobby. No one cares about how many times you shout "evidence" and "fact" you are just talking bullshit. You can't quantify people's interests and hobbies so seriously gtfo.
Your comments like "sold out their fans" and "forgot who made them what they are" are just retarded. You are a self entitled little brat and no one cares about what you think.
Now imagine me that I'm only able to play 3 or 4 hours on Friday night and other so on Saturday night. Some weeks i can't play at all... Some people have a real life and family...
That's not the games fault is it ? You have real life things to do like most of us . In all my years playing games , and its many years I have never complained I can't play enough . That's down to real life like I say
I'm lucky if I can scrape an hour or two every other day . But it's not Blizzards fault , yet I have 12 lvl 70's mostly very well equipped and 98% of the time I play solo and my highest Grift is 31 , not even tried higher , just wanted to get rank 25 on every gem .
when did i make excuses for a failure and blizzard? im simply stating that YOU did not offer any substance in saying it's not a diablo game. i feel like it is very much so a diablo game through and through. it happens to be a somewhat bad game with lots of flaws.
I would of been happy with a D2 clone with better graphics.
IMO, this the point of the whole problem. Some people didn't want Diablo 3 but simply D2 HD. And then they were disapointed when they didn't get it. Personally I loved D2 and played it for longer than I whould, but I wouldn't even buy the HD if they made it.
this. diablo 2 was VERY DIFFERENT from diablo 1. diablo 2 lod was VERY DIFFERENT from d2. d3 is VERY DIFFERENT from all of the previous. admittedly d3x probably shouldve had 2 new classes minimum, but its still pretty different from vanilla. its a new game. lots of people say smash brothers melee is the best smash ever, but some die hards say 64 is the best because they changed too much in melee.
[quote=VincentDiablo;/members/92164-vincentdiablo]Secondly why when someone presents facts to people on forums about how Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar company that sold out its fans to make money and this game turned out to be average at best, they get mad? How can a company with so many resources produce such a horrid platform of a game with so much time to produce it? It sounds like this game was just a cash cow and it lacked real innovative heart. I know 10 year olds that could have came up with more profound ideas for this game then they did. People are getting mad for us calling out the facts, because just like presenting any quantifiable evidence to a person in life that is willfully ignorant to the truth, people in game want to believe the game they invested so much time in and they loved is not worthless. We are presenting FACTS that are 100% completely true and can be substantiated with quantifiable facts. Allot of these facts can be tied in with emotion, because for of allot of us we played Diablo since it first came out, it is part of our lives. I really enjoy this game I would have even been willing to pay a subscription if the game was correct. You said it best this is NOT DIABLO and all the factors that made Diablo 2 the game it is are clearly not present in Diablo 3. What is anyone’s excuse for calling you a troll for pointing out Blizzards mess up? At the point when a company like Blizzard gets too big for their own self-righteous egos to fit in a door way and just completely ignore their customers, is the day the company starts a slow decent into being marginal. Blizzard use to be a company that if they released a game it was promised to be a block buster. Now that is gone and I will forever question any game that they come out with. I feel like they are pushing a propaganda campaign down our throats just to make us shut up and go along with the game and for us to continue to buy future games that comes out. Like they tell us what we want to hear, but they don't listen to the people that made them who they are. They need to remember we built this company with our loyalty and without us buying these games, they are a bunch of geeks looking for work.
Dude this is an entertainment product. You can't convince someone that he "wasted" time when all he was doing is playing a video game which is basically practicing a hobby. No one cares about how many times you shout "evidence" and "fact" you are just talking bullshit. You can't quantify people's interests and hobbies so seriously gtfo.
Your comments like "sold out their fans" and "forgot who made them what they are" are just retarded. You are a self entitled little brat and no one cares about what you think.
This x1000
First off you can kiss my ass and you know nothing of me or my life. So to say I am a self-entitle brats is ridiculous. You are the definition of a troll, presenting facts and real issues is not being a troll. Throwing around insults, because you cannot counter other peoples arguments is being a troll.
To set the record straight to show how ignorant of a person you are after pulling crap out of your butt and making assumptions over the internet, I grew up in a piss poor home, was beaten as child, foster care, abusive home after that, and went overseas in the military, went to college/graduate school, and then led a team in Afghanistan. My last tour I almost died in Afghanistan while leading a mission instead of going home when they gave me the chance at the end of my tour due to my severe PTSD, to ensure my men were taken care of. Spent 17 months in a medical facility getting treatment before I was retired. Entitled? Spoiled? Get the hell out of here, yet again making assumptions which is the number one flaw when failing to use logic and being objective.
Secondly if you actually read my post you would know I was speaking of quantifying the facts regarding how the game is not what was promised, nor is what is should be. These are easily proven facts and I bring it up in such a fashion, because when people complain about the game like me, they are shut down by people like you with unsubstantiated insults and statements to disregard the truth about what the game is.
I also disagree we did waste time when this game was a passion and love of yours growing up and now you are adult who many of us spent 500+ hours easy in this game. Hoping the next patch it would become what it should of been. Sometimes it is the small things in life that make life bearable to hold us over. Even a nice childhood game like Diablo. At last in the end they fail to deliver.
Finally you can go to hell, such big talk over the internet. I find it comical. The first sign of a person who I know I already beat is they insult me and act arrogant without even being able to tactically analyze me. Your arrogance and ignorance in making the assumptions on who I am goes to show you lack of real world experience and wisdom. You are pathetic and not even in my same league. Also the first sign of a intellectual cop out is someone who automatically reverts to insults. Thanks for proving to everyone how much of a idiot you are.
wow the true troll comes out. apparently over the internet i am a 15 star general of the combined army of earthica. ive led many missions in which we conquered many alien nations, destroyed terrorism, and found infinite replenishable energy. i was once almost assassinated, but on my death bed i quickly invented a cure all for all diseases and injuries and healed myself. i have an imagination too!
him talking big over the internet is the same as your stories over the internet. relax.
The difference is my stories are true and he is a internet warrior that fights over the internet, I fought in real life in Iraq and Afghanistan. I followed in Iraq and I led men in Afghanistan. Does not make me any better then anyone here, but it does offer me a unique perspective into life and provided me a unique set of skills. I am done in this thread and on this site for that matter. There are some cool guys are here, but allot of people I have found are ignorant and lack any real ability to be objective. The first time they feel someone comes up with a objective point that counters their own they insult them, which is obviously a intellectual cop out. I know what I have accomplished in my life thus far and I am proven in real world scenarios where life and death is a everyday occurrence. I can't blame you I guess, perception is reality and you lack my unique real world experiences that made me who I am and because of this you are unable to articulate my perspective. So you find it easier instead of being open minded and objective to try to understand others, you just decide to discredit them over the internet with unsubstantiated claims, because you are a coward and insecure. Enjoy your willful ignorance.
The difference is my stories are true and he is a internet warrior that fights over the internet, I fought in real life in Iraq and Afghanistan. I followed in Iraq and I led men in Afghanistan. Does not make me any better then anyone here, but it does offer me a unique perspective into life and provided me a unique set of skills. I am done in this thread and on this site for that matter. There are some cool guys are here, but allot of people I have found are ignorant and lack any real ability to be objective. The first time they feel someone comes up with a objective point that counters their own they insult them, which is obviously a intellectual cop out. I know what I have accomplished in my life thus far and I am proven in real world scenarios where life and death is a everyday occurrence. I can't blame you I guess, perception is reality and you lack my unique real world experiences that made me who I am and because of this you are unable to articulate my perspective. So you find it easier instead of being open minded and objective to try to understand others, you just decide to discredit them over the internet with unsubstantiated claims, because you are a coward and insecure. Enjoy your willful ignorance.
The difference is my stories are true and he is a internet warrior that fights over the internet, I fought in real life in Iraq and Afghanistan. I followed in Iraq and I led men in Afghanistan. Does not make me any better then anyone here, but it does offer me a unique perspective into life and provided me a unique set of skills. I am done in this thread and on this site for that matter. There are some cool guys are here, but allot of people I have found are ignorant and lack any real ability to be objective. The first time they feel someone comes up with a objective point that counters their own they insult them, which is obviously a intellectual cop out. I know what I have accomplished in my life thus far and I am proven in real world scenarios where life and death is a everyday occurrence. I can't blame you I guess, perception is reality and you lack my unique real world experiences that made me who I am and because of this you are unable to articulate my perspective. So you find it easier instead of being open minded and objective to try to understand others, you just decide to discredit them over the internet with unsubstantiated claims, because you are a coward and insecure. Enjoy your willful ignorance.
Ok Mr.unique experience who has integrity and is objective. Let me show you why your first post that i replied to is not objective and has zero "substantiated with quantifiable facts".
You wrote:
"when someone presents facts to people on forums about how Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar company that sold out its fans to make money and this game turned out to be average at best, they get mad?"
-Presenting facts? As if anyone doubted that Blizzard is a big corporation. What are you trying to prove? Sold out its fans? Just another coporation working as intended. They don't have a limit to the money they are supposed to make. The more the better. Therefore, there is no such thing as "sell out" when talking on that big of a scale. It's just a retarded sentence that little kids use because they feel butthurt. I don't care how many times you say that you were in the army that does not mean shit to me.
You also wrote:
"How can a company with so many resources produce such a horrid platform of a game with so much time to produce it?"
-How is that objective exactly? Care to explain to me please? This is totally your personall opinion and nothing more. So nothing unique here, no real criticism, non-objective whinning... No one got mad, you jsut sound like a fool.
You also wrote:
"It sounds like this game was just a cash cow and it lacked real innovative heart"
-Another sentence that proves that you have no idea how a corporation operates.
You also wrote:
"I know 10 year olds that could have came up with more profound ideas for this game then they did."
-Again, opinion that does not mean shit to anyone here except for yourself. Wow so objective dude i can't believe no one took you seriously.
And then you wrote:
"People are getting mad for us calling out the facts"
-Right... because all you've said up untill now is all just hard facts. Sure.
You can keep shouting facts all day and tell us stories about how tough you are in real life but really, you can't see why i replied to you in that fashion? I admit that it wasn't my best post ever but it was still a bit entertaining given the fact that in my view, i was replying to someone who appears to be severely butthurt. There are no facts in your posts. The rest of that post is just you repeating what you already said but with different words. You don't like the game, you don't think the devs did a good job. Ok we got it. No one is getting mad because you are "presenting facts". Actually, hardly anyone even gives a shit about your posts just a few of us replied to you in a level that is not far from the level you've shown already so stop acting as if you are some holy martyr or something.
Edit: Anyway you are right that it's stupid to judge someone from a few things that he wrote but understand that there are by average probably daily whine threads about how the game is not good and shit.
[quote=VincentDiablo;/members/92164-vincentdiablo;/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/97887-bring-back-trading-clan-trading-only-diablo-is?comment=67]The difference is my stories are true and he is a internet warrior that fights over the internet, I fought in real life in Iraq and Afghanistan. I followed in Iraq and I led men in Afghanistan. Does not make me any better then anyone here, but it does offer me a unique perspective into life and provided me a unique set of skills. I am done in this thread and on this site for that matter. There are some cool guys are here, but allot of people I have found are ignorant and lack any real ability to be objective. The first time they feel someone comes up with a objective point that counters their own they insult them, which is obviously a intellectual cop out. I know what I have accomplished in my life thus far and I am proven in real world scenarios where life and death is a everyday occurrence. I can't blame you I guess, perception is reality and you lack my unique real world experiences that made me who I am and because of this you are unable to articulate my perspective. So you find it easier instead of being open minded and objective to try to understand others, you just decide to discredit them over the internet with unsubstantiated claims, because you are a coward and insecure. Enjoy your willful ignorance.
I agree that I did not come off as objective as I claimed to try to be in presenting my case, but my attempt was to provide a entry of broad statements that can be quantified if people would open up a neutral discussion (I failed, admittedly). Allot of my statements which were not quantified, could be easily from past experiences if the conversation would of matured into that been quantified and that was what I was hoping it would elude to. However that never happened and it turned hostile. Which it vexes me that people take everything so personal and cannot be objective about a situation. Anytime someone gets hostile I just see it as a intellectual cop out, because they cannot offer any other substance to the conversation.
Furthermore I find it funny how people try to make claims and insults that I am making up who I am, I could care less. That comes from their own personal insecurities. Also I never said you had to care I was in the Army and I even admit it does not make me better than anyone else, I just have a different set of skills. At least at the end of the day, even though I don't agree with allot of our agendas politically, I stood up and shed blood/sweat/tears for what I believed in. I was not a keyboard warrior and I actually acted on my words through my actions. Which I am not saying you never have done that, but I am speaking about myself personally and generalized many people on here based upon their ignorance statements which is a direct reflection of their character. The point I was trying to make is I have a different perception as you do or the next guy, thus the communication break down. This is caused from our differences in experiences that are unique and with all the variables induced into every conversation it is so hard over the internet to communicate effectively. Yet again you take this personal and you revert to crude statements. I hold no malice towards anyone here and I am finished with this conversation, it offers no progression towards a answer to which I was seeking at this point. My learning point from this thread would be I need to present the quantifiable data upfront and not make assumptions others will break down the macro picture of what I was saying across the board and engage in dialogue with me regarding my statements to understand in a neutral manner. My mistake, but I still stand firm in my convictions on the state of the game based upon my experiences with this game.
[quote=VincentDiablo;/members/92164-vincentdiablo;/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/97887-bring-back-trading-clan-trading-only-diablo-is?comment=67]The difference is my stories are true and he is a internet warrior that fights over the internet, I fought in real life in Iraq and Afghanistan. I followed in Iraq and I led men in Afghanistan. Does not make me any better then anyone here, but it does offer me a unique perspective into life and provided me a unique set of skills. I am done in this thread and on this site for that matter. There are some cool guys are here, but allot of people I have found are ignorant and lack any real ability to be objective. The first time they feel someone comes up with a objective point that counters their own they insult them, which is obviously a intellectual cop out. I know what I have accomplished in my life thus far and I am proven in real world scenarios where life and death is a everyday occurrence. I can't blame you I guess, perception is reality and you lack my unique real world experiences that made me who I am and because of this you are unable to articulate my perspective. So you find it easier instead of being open minded and objective to try to understand others, you just decide to discredit them over the internet with unsubstantiated claims, because you are a coward and insecure. Enjoy your willful ignorance.
I agree that I did not come off as objective as I claimed to try to be in presenting my case, but my attempt was to provide a entry of broad statements that can be quantified if people would open up a neutral discussion (I failed, admittedly). Allot of my statements which were not quantified, could be easily from past experiences if the conversation would of matured into that been quantified and that was what I was hoping it would elude to. However that never happened and it turned hostile. Which it vexes me that people take everything so personal and cannot be objective about a situation. Anytime someone gets hostile I just see it as a intellectual cop out, because they cannot offer any other substance to the conversation.
Furthermore I find it funny how people try to make claims and insults that I am making up who I am, I could care less. That comes from their own personal insecurities. Also I never said you had to care I was in the Army and I even admit it does not make me better than anyone else, I just have a different set of skills. At least at the end of the day, even though I don't agree with allot of our agendas politically, I stood up and shed blood/sweat/tears for what I believed in. I was not a keyboard warrior and I actually acted on my words through my actions. Which I am not saying you never have done that, but I am speaking about myself personally and generalized many people on here based upon their ignorance statements which is a direct reflection of their character. The point I was trying to make is I have a different perception as you do or the next guy, thus the communication break down. This is caused from our differences in experiences that are unique and with all the variables induced into every conversation it is so hard over the internet to communicate effectively. Yet again you take this personal and you revert to crude statements. I hold no malice towards anyone here and I am finished with this conversation, it offers no progression towards a answer to which I was seeking at this point. My learning point from this thread would be I need to present the quantifiable data upfront and not make assumptions others will break down the macro picture of what I was saying across the board and engage in dialogue with me regarding my statements to understand in a neutral manner. My mistake, but I still stand firm in my convictions on the state of the game based upon my experiences with this game.
i thought you quit this thread and this site...way to disappoint! anyway, im pretty sure you are the one who took things way too personally, and as such started describing your personal life which is totally irrelevant on teh internets.
i just want to reiterate my thing about how ah was awesome and how social aspects should come in various other forms (but probably not trading because spamming crap in trade channels or clan channel is not fun FOR ME [relax]). 8 players/game instantly makes the possibility of socializing doubled at minimum. "events" that actually require strategy and teamwork to do would encourage chatting and strategy. trash talk via pvp is social. and the list goes on and on. i just personally never found spamming RARE MAGE PLATE FOR 120808 SOJS and DUAL LEECH RING FOR 203230920290 SOJS and blah blah blah as "social." and having to double and triple check stuff to make sure im not about to get scammed was not fun either.
[quote=VincentDiablo;/members/92164-vincentdiablo;/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/97887-bring-back-trading-clan-trading-only-diablo-is?comment=71]
[quote=Jamoose;/members/38252-jamoose;/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/97887-bring-back-trading-clan-trading-only-diablo-is?comment=69]
[quote=VincentDiablo;/members/92164-vincentdiablo;/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/97887-bring-back-trading-clan-trading-only-diablo-is?comment=67]The difference is my stories are true and he is a internet warrior that fights over the internet, I fought in real life in Iraq and Afghanistan. I followed in Iraq and I led men in Afghanistan. Does not make me any better then anyone here, but it does offer me a unique perspective into life and provided me a unique set of skills. I am done in this thread and on this site for that matter. There are some cool guys are here, but allot of people I have found are ignorant and lack any real ability to be objective. The first time they feel someone comes up with a objective point that counters their own they insult them, which is obviously a intellectual cop out. I know what I have accomplished in my life thus far and I am proven in real world scenarios where life and death is a everyday occurrence. I can't blame you I guess, perception is reality and you lack my unique real world experiences that made me who I am and because of this you are unable to articulate my perspective. So you find it easier instead of being open minded and objective to try to understand others, you just decide to discredit them over the internet with unsubstantiated claims, because you are a coward and insecure. Enjoy your willful ignorance.
- Yeah I agree on the spamming part, I like trading, but there would have to be a more effective manner to implement it.
- I agree more then 4 players would be incredible, I think people have been asking for this for some time now.
It really is heart breaking, at least for me. What this could and should have been.... Like I said, I still play it. But it just doesn't feel like that epic Diablo game I was use to. I was expecting the game of the year when they first announced D3. It was like, this is it. This is going to be THE game. My dreams were shattered. I wish I could find another game I can sink my teeth into, but I am so freaking picky with my games.
Your comments like "sold out their fans" and "forgot who made them what they are" are just retarded. You are a self entitled little brat and no one cares about what you think.
This x1000
I'm lucky if I can scrape an hour or two every other day . But it's not Blizzards fault , yet I have 12 lvl 70's mostly very well equipped and 98% of the time I play solo and my highest Grift is 31 , not even tried higher , just wanted to get rank 25 on every gem .
him talking big over the internet is the same as your stories over the internet. relax.
You wrote:
"when someone presents facts to people on forums about how Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar company that sold out its fans to make money and this game turned out to be average at best, they get mad?"
-Presenting facts? As if anyone doubted that Blizzard is a big corporation. What are you trying to prove? Sold out its fans? Just another coporation working as intended. They don't have a limit to the money they are supposed to make. The more the better. Therefore, there is no such thing as "sell out" when talking on that big of a scale. It's just a retarded sentence that little kids use because they feel butthurt. I don't care how many times you say that you were in the army that does not mean shit to me.
You also wrote:
"How can a company with so many resources produce such a horrid platform of a game with so much time to produce it?"
-How is that objective exactly? Care to explain to me please? This is totally your personall opinion and nothing more. So nothing unique here, no real criticism, non-objective whinning... No one got mad, you jsut sound like a fool.
You also wrote:
"It sounds like this game was just a cash cow and it lacked real innovative heart"
-Another sentence that proves that you have no idea how a corporation operates.
You also wrote:
"I know 10 year olds that could have came up with more profound ideas for this game then they did."
-Again, opinion that does not mean shit to anyone here except for yourself. Wow so objective dude i can't believe no one took you seriously.
And then you wrote:
"People are getting mad for us calling out the facts"
-Right... because all you've said up untill now is all just hard facts. Sure.
You can keep shouting facts all day and tell us stories about how tough you are in real life but really, you can't see why i replied to you in that fashion? I admit that it wasn't my best post ever but it was still a bit entertaining given the fact that in my view, i was replying to someone who appears to be severely butthurt. There are no facts in your posts. The rest of that post is just you repeating what you already said but with different words. You don't like the game, you don't think the devs did a good job. Ok we got it. No one is getting mad because you are "presenting facts". Actually, hardly anyone even gives a shit about your posts just a few of us replied to you in a level that is not far from the level you've shown already so stop acting as if you are some holy martyr or something.
Edit: Anyway you are right that it's stupid to judge someone from a few things that he wrote but understand that there are by average probably daily whine threads about how the game is not good and shit.
Where anyone can say who they are.
I'm President Obama.
Trust me
I agree that I did not come off as objective as I claimed to try to be in presenting my case, but my attempt was to provide a entry of broad statements that can be quantified if people would open up a neutral discussion (I failed, admittedly). Allot of my statements which were not quantified, could be easily from past experiences if the conversation would of matured into that been quantified and that was what I was hoping it would elude to. However that never happened and it turned hostile. Which it vexes me that people take everything so personal and cannot be objective about a situation. Anytime someone gets hostile I just see it as a intellectual cop out, because they cannot offer any other substance to the conversation.
Furthermore I find it funny how people try to make claims and insults that I am making up who I am, I could care less. That comes from their own personal insecurities. Also I never said you had to care I was in the Army and I even admit it does not make me better than anyone else, I just have a different set of skills. At least at the end of the day, even though I don't agree with allot of our agendas politically, I stood up and shed blood/sweat/tears for what I believed in. I was not a keyboard warrior and I actually acted on my words through my actions. Which I am not saying you never have done that, but I am speaking about myself personally and generalized many people on here based upon their ignorance statements which is a direct reflection of their character. The point I was trying to make is I have a different perception as you do or the next guy, thus the communication break down. This is caused from our differences in experiences that are unique and with all the variables induced into every conversation it is so hard over the internet to communicate effectively. Yet again you take this personal and you revert to crude statements. I hold no malice towards anyone here and I am finished with this conversation, it offers no progression towards a answer to which I was seeking at this point. My learning point from this thread would be I need to present the quantifiable data upfront and not make assumptions others will break down the macro picture of what I was saying across the board and engage in dialogue with me regarding my statements to understand in a neutral manner. My mistake, but I still stand firm in my convictions on the state of the game based upon my experiences with this game.
i just want to reiterate my thing about how ah was awesome and how social aspects should come in various other forms (but probably not trading because spamming crap in trade channels or clan channel is not fun FOR ME [relax]). 8 players/game instantly makes the possibility of socializing doubled at minimum. "events" that actually require strategy and teamwork to do would encourage chatting and strategy. trash talk via pvp is social. and the list goes on and on. i just personally never found spamming RARE MAGE PLATE FOR 120808 SOJS and DUAL LEECH RING FOR 203230920290 SOJS and blah blah blah as "social." and having to double and triple check stuff to make sure im not about to get scammed was not fun either.
- Yeah I agree on the spamming part, I like trading, but there would have to be a more effective manner to implement it.
- I agree more then 4 players would be incredible, I think people have been asking for this for some time now.