I've been using the same Razor Naga mouse since late 2011. However, it's becoming unusable. First, the left click was double/triple clicking, and now the left click has just become more difficult to press. I think this mouse has run its course after three years.
Currently using this mouse in D3, my hand and knuckles start to ache to the point that I have to stop playing. Sometimes, the knuckles under my index finger feel so tired that I just can't click any more.
I've been looking for a new mouse, but there are so many and I want to be careful about which one I buy. I only use two of the 12 "side buttons" on the Naga, so I don't care about having tons of buttons. Just two that my thumb can press will do. I just want the mouse to be comfortable so that maybe my hand won't get as tired.
I hold mice in a palm-grip. I think the Naga mouse kind of forces me (or at least my thumb) into a claw style grip which I find uncomfortable. I want my hand to rest completely on the mouse.
Any recommendations are appreciated. (In addition, any other tips on how to reduce aching/tiredness in the hand while playing are appreciated too).
I had the exact same problem with my naga, unfortunately for me it started only 6 months after getting it. I would definitely look into getting your hands on the ttesports theron, great mouse. It also comes with the 2 buttons on the left side, the color display can also be customized with different colors in the different sections etc.
I was shopping around recently and ended up going with a Razer DeathAdder. Much easier on the hand then the Logitech I had before and good performance.
cant recommend a model or brand but I can give you things to ponder.
1. don't buy a mouse without feeling it in your hand.
2. don't claim loyalty to a brand. they ALL have potential to suck or be amazing.
3. avoid wireless if you can. maybe the new ones are very responsive...but why take the chance? if you care about your gaming experience, 9 times out of ten you will be thankful for a wired connection.
4. mouse models tend to advance and become obsolete. A few famous mice from a few years back now command retarded prices on websites due to the demand overshadowing the availability. if you find a mouse you like, consider purhaps picking up a few replacements and hiding them in your closet? I regret not doing this....oh man do I regret it.....
5. the difference between gaming grade mice and standard mice as far as tracking accuracy? TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE
6.the difference between gaming grade mice and standard mice as far as customization? you will notice a big difference in the options available. this means that gaming mice can be more accommodating to you IF you need that accommodation
7. if you get a gaming grade mouse, stick with the bigger names so that the software and drivers are reliable.
If you use a palm grip, the naga definitely wasn't a good choice. Darn thing is too small. Try a deathadder, or if you want the capability of going wireless without the requirement, check out the Razer Mamba. Both have the two thumb buttons you're looking for, but the Mamba has two additional ones next to the left click that I've found to be exceptionally useful. I used a Deathadder for a long time, and had no cause to regret it. My wife's using it now, still works great (despite her casual mistreatment of it :P)
Honestly, I would get a good two button mouse. I have a naga and it is over kill for diablo 3. When my mouse dies, it will be replaced with a good, 2 buttoner.
If you use a palm grip, the naga definitely wasn't a good choice. Darn thing is too small. Try a deathadder, or if you want the capability of going wireless without the requirement, check out the Razer Mamba. Both have the two thumb buttons you're looking for, but the Mamba has two additional ones next to the left click that I've found to be exceptionally useful. I used a Deathadder for a long time, and had no cause to regret it. My wife's using it now, still works great (despite her casual mistreatment of it :P)
A warning though, Razer Mamba is pricey.
Thanks, I agree with you about the Naga. It feels like it's too small. Is the Deathadder/Mamba a lot larger? I was looking at them before.
cant recommend a model or brand but I can give you things to ponder.
1. don't buy a mouse without feeling it in your hand.
I appreciate your suggestions. However, this is hard to do because most of these mice aren't on sale anywhere near me. I went to Best Buy and I was really surprised what little they had for me to actually try.
The best advice you'll ever get is to never buy a mouse based on someone else's anecdotal information. I've been through quite a few mice, and I've bought most of them based on ratings and reviews. What you should do is go down to a store and actually put your hand on the mice you think you'd be interested in. Comfort should come first, this is the only aspect you can't figure out sitting at home ordering from newegg. Read reviews and get suggestions based on quality and performance. With that said, the most comfortable mouse I've ever used that fit my hand was the RAT 7. BUT, quality was the worst. Everything that could go wrong with a mouse, did go wrong. Also, don't only look at higher brands, give lower brands a chance.
heh ok lets fine tune this a bit for your case in particular.
being a palm grip id focus strongly on how the body of the mouse supports your hand. if the mouse is to small or narrow from side to side a problem I had was that when the hand was on the mouse imagine your pinky and index fingers falling closer to the table. it was so painful I had to get a larger mouse the held my hand up more.
Logitech released long ago the MX 510. this model went on to influence many future models the g400 g500 etc....
if I were you id definitely glance at the logitech g400s
of interesting note, my friend has been using his MX510 so long the paint is worn off the buttons....of course the buttons and the cursor tracking still function like new....
or if a flat topped mouse works good for your hand maybe this one?
I was shopping around recently and ended up going with a Razer DeathAdder. Much easier on the hand then the Logitech I had before and good performance.
I've used a DeathAdder for at least 6 years now myself. It may not have the "palm grip" or whatever the OP is looking for, but Razor DeathAdder + Razor Destructor Mousepad is good. Also their travel pad isn't bad either.
4. mouse models tend to advance and become obsolete. A few famous mice from a few years back now command retarded prices on websites due to the demand overshadowing the availability. if you find a mouse you like, consider purhaps picking up a few replacements and hiding them in your closet? I regret not doing this....oh man do I regret it.....
So much this. The MX 510 was *the mouse*. There was actually no need to ever cancel this line and bring out a new model. I wish I had bought 10 of those back then.
@Topic: As many others have said, just go to a store and try a few mice, see whichever feels best. It's all subjective. I personally love the G600 MMO but it sounds like you totally don't need that, so go for any model that has 4-5 buttons that you can reach without bending your fingers uncomfortably.
I have been using Deathadder mice for around 5years now. First it was Deathadder 3500, then Deathadder Black Edition, now Deathadder 2013. It's almost perfect but lacks one thing - durability. It was designed for a great feel while using palm grip, it's responsive and convenient to use. When you play games with this mouse it becomes one with your hand.
Unfortunately, I'm completely disappointed in Razer products durability after buying Deathadder Black Edition a couple of years back. That one worked fine for about 6 months, then started double-clicking. I changed it at service center for free, the new one started double-clicking after 8 months. Then I bought DA 2013 and have already changed it TWICE before a year has even passed. Thank God the warranty period is two years, but visiting service center across the whole city every 4-5 months to change your mouse is frustrating.
I love the model and the DA probably rests in the top 5 of best gaming mice ever, but I really cannot recommend it anymore (as well as any Razer mouse) as I'll be also looking for a new mouse soon. This one (THIRD DA 2013) already started to double-click sometimes.
I'd definitely NOT pick up a Razer mouse, until they realize their quality drop is too much and fix it.
Steelseries Diablo 3 mouse has guaranteed 10 000 clicks durability, but I think I heard it was designed for claw grip - correct me if I'm wrong.
Update: forgot to mention that Razer mice make you addictive to them with their ergonomics. It's just amazing how your hand and the mouse merge into a killing machine without any physical or mental discomfort. Oh, it's going to be a long search for a new mouse that could reproduce the effect.
I'm kinda in the same boat. When I first purchased Diablo 3 I bought a Naga mouse (6 side button version)at the same time. Diablo 3 is my first ARPG, so I learned to play it using this mouse. I'd have to learn how to play the game using the 1,2,3,4 keys on the keyboard which would be kind of a pain in the rear. I'm afraid I will eventually have no choice though. While my mouse is still working fine, it is really starting to hurt my hand after playing for a little while. It is a somewhat awkward position you have to keep your hand in. The OP described it as a "claw" which is pretty accurate. I'm afraid to do some actual damage to my hand if I continue using it. I do also have a Razer Death Adder that is pretty comfortable and may have to switch to that.
I'm kinda in the same boat. When I first purchased Diablo 3 I bought a Naga mouse (6 side button version)at the same time. Diablo 3 is my first ARPG, so I learned to play it using this mouse. I'd have to learn how to play the game using the 1,2,3,4 keys on the keyboard which would be kind of a pain in the rear. I'm afraid I will eventually have no choice though. While my mouse is still working fine, it is really starting to hurt my hand after playing for a little while. It is a somewhat awkward position you have to keep your hand in. The OP described it as a "claw" which is pretty accurate. I'm afraid to do some actual damage to my hand if I continue using it. I do also have a Razer Death Adder that is pretty comfortable and may have to switch to that.
another thing you may consider is the position, layout and cleanliness of your entire computer station. specifically a desk surface that allows you to rest your arms. when I was a kid it was carpal tunnel this" and carpal tunnel that so I went out of my way to keep the monitor keyboard mouse far back on the desk and arms and wrists in the most relaxed position possible basically resting totally on a desk surface. maybe your computer area is totally clean and well shaped but its easy to lose sight of all the objects that might subtly obstruct comfort. some people have their mouse and mouse pad mere inches from the edge of the desk for no particular reason beyond a pile of garbage they forgot about for the past few years.... so it's worth mentioning......
Thanks everyone. I should note that I'm not left-handed, so I don't need a mouse that's ambidextrous or anything like that. I also don't need the Razor Naga's various buttons, I only use maybe 2 (out of 12) of the side buttons near the thumb. I used more when I played WoW but in Diablo I just don't.
I'm surprised at how difficult mouse shopping can be. I went to my local Best Buy (just about the only store in the area that sells mice), and the selection was so poor. All of their mice were wireless... that's right... they had NO wired mice. They also didn't have a selection of any other than Logitech and they did not seem gaming oriented. They weren't even available to try, they were sealed in the box. I'm not sure of any kind of shop I can go to that will have a decent selection of gaming mice for me to try, so I suppose I might buy a few from amazon and then return the ones I don't like.
Well I bought a Razer Naga Hex specifically to play Diablo 3 with it, I ended up going back to my beloved Logitech MX518 because it has more reliable buttons and the fact that the Scroll button on my Naga Hex died and left me handicapped because I use that in almost every game for some important abilities like throwing grenade in FPS, Death Grip for my DK in WoW, Action button 3 on Diablo and so forth. So I'd recommend you using a Logitech mouse since they are usually better made and more reliable, I have an MX518 since it was released and only changed the cord once.
An other pointer I can give you is to feel the mouse in your hand and see if you are comfortable with its layout and button placement because in the end this is the most important bit.
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Currently using this mouse in D3, my hand and knuckles start to ache to the point that I have to stop playing. Sometimes, the knuckles under my index finger feel so tired that I just can't click any more.
I've been looking for a new mouse, but there are so many and I want to be careful about which one I buy. I only use two of the 12 "side buttons" on the Naga, so I don't care about having tons of buttons. Just two that my thumb can press will do. I just want the mouse to be comfortable so that maybe my hand won't get as tired.
I hold mice in a palm-grip. I think the Naga mouse kind of forces me (or at least my thumb) into a claw style grip which I find uncomfortable. I want my hand to rest completely on the mouse.
Any recommendations are appreciated. (In addition, any other tips on how to reduce aching/tiredness in the hand while playing are appreciated too).
1. don't buy a mouse without feeling it in your hand.
2. don't claim loyalty to a brand. they ALL have potential to suck or be amazing.
3. avoid wireless if you can. maybe the new ones are very responsive...but why take the chance? if you care about your gaming experience, 9 times out of ten you will be thankful for a wired connection.
4. mouse models tend to advance and become obsolete. A few famous mice from a few years back now command retarded prices on websites due to the demand overshadowing the availability. if you find a mouse you like, consider purhaps picking up a few replacements and hiding them in your closet? I regret not doing this....oh man do I regret it.....
5. the difference between gaming grade mice and standard mice as far as tracking accuracy? TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE
6.the difference between gaming grade mice and standard mice as far as customization? you will notice a big difference in the options available. this means that gaming mice can be more accommodating to you IF you need that accommodation
7. if you get a gaming grade mouse, stick with the bigger names so that the software and drivers are reliable.
A warning though, Razer Mamba is pricey.
I appreciate your suggestions. However, this is hard to do because most of these mice aren't on sale anywhere near me. I went to Best Buy and I was really surprised what little they had for me to actually try.
http://www.amazon.com/E-3lue-Type-R-2500DPI-Optical-Black-Gray-Pc/dp/B0095ONNTC/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1401063259&sr=8-12&keywords=blue mouse
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I received TWO beta keys. Eat it and like it.
being a palm grip id focus strongly on how the body of the mouse supports your hand. if the mouse is to small or narrow from side to side a problem I had was that when the hand was on the mouse imagine your pinky and index fingers falling closer to the table. it was so painful I had to get a larger mouse the held my hand up more.
Logitech released long ago the MX 510. this model went on to influence many future models the g400 g500 etc....
if I were you id definitely glance at the logitech g400s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104838
of interesting note, my friend has been using his MX510 so long the paint is worn off the buttons....of course the buttons and the cursor tracking still function like new....
or if a flat topped mouse works good for your hand maybe this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153119
So much this. The MX 510 was *the mouse*. There was actually no need to ever cancel this line and bring out a new model. I wish I had bought 10 of those back then.
@Topic: As many others have said, just go to a store and try a few mice, see whichever feels best. It's all subjective. I personally love the G600 MMO but it sounds like you totally don't need that, so go for any model that has 4-5 buttons that you can reach without bending your fingers uncomfortably.
Suiteable for both right and left hands.
Not overpriced (like razer products).
Has an internal processor (lol).
Can go up to 11k dpi iirc (i use 3.5k for d3).
Highly durable - Had it for 2 years and not a scratch (lol) on it, works flawlessly.
You can customize some color leds on it but it doesn't look like a toy (like razer products).
The only reason not to get this mouse is if you want more than 8 buttons on your mouse. Imo it's more than enough.
Unfortunately, I'm completely disappointed in Razer products durability after buying Deathadder Black Edition a couple of years back. That one worked fine for about 6 months, then started double-clicking. I changed it at service center for free, the new one started double-clicking after 8 months. Then I bought DA 2013 and have already changed it TWICE before a year has even passed. Thank God the warranty period is two years, but visiting service center across the whole city every 4-5 months to change your mouse is frustrating.
I love the model and the DA probably rests in the top 5 of best gaming mice ever, but I really cannot recommend it anymore (as well as any Razer mouse) as I'll be also looking for a new mouse soon. This one (THIRD DA 2013) already started to double-click sometimes.
I'd definitely NOT pick up a Razer mouse, until they realize their quality drop is too much and fix it.
Steelseries Diablo 3 mouse has guaranteed 10 000 clicks durability, but I think I heard it was designed for claw grip - correct me if I'm wrong.
Update: forgot to mention that Razer mice make you addictive to them with their ergonomics. It's just amazing how your hand and the mouse merge into a killing machine without any physical or mental discomfort. Oh, it's going to be a long search for a new mouse that could reproduce the effect.
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I'm surprised at how difficult mouse shopping can be. I went to my local Best Buy (just about the only store in the area that sells mice), and the selection was so poor. All of their mice were wireless... that's right... they had NO wired mice. They also didn't have a selection of any other than Logitech and they did not seem gaming oriented. They weren't even available to try, they were sealed in the box. I'm not sure of any kind of shop I can go to that will have a decent selection of gaming mice for me to try, so I suppose I might buy a few from amazon and then return the ones I don't like.
An other pointer I can give you is to feel the mouse in your hand and see if you are comfortable with its layout and button placement because in the end this is the most important bit.